Reaction To The Tom Gilbert For Nick Schultz Trade

by Derek Zona on Feb 28, 2012 4:30 PM MST in News and Notes

Nick Schultz Acquired From Minnesota For Tom Gilbert - Oil On Whyte
Let’s not beat around the bush here and call it straight: I like the acquisition of Nick Schultz, I’m just not happy at all that it took Tom Gilbert to get him.

Understanding the Gilbert Trade - Oil Acumen
Unless the Oilers see something that I don't, I have a hard time counting this trade as a win.

Deadline - Black Dog Hates Skunks
Schultz isn't magic beans but Minnesota gets better player. Gilbert plays tough opposition, more minutes, has more offence, blocks shots, even hits more, if those stats float your boat. Not a horrific trade but a step backward.

Rock Steady - OilersNation
The Oilers will miss Gilbert's ability to move the puck and his defensive acumen. In Schultz, it looks like the defensive side of the game is covered, but the offense is gone. It's a strange deal based on the numbers

Monday Morning Standings - Putting on the Foil
- Tom Gilbert got traded. I’m not a fan of the deal. Others are. I can’t agree with you guys cause then we’ll both be wrong.

Sail On, Bloomington Jaguar - Lowetide
Gilbert arrived in the NHL with the Oilers as a pretty solid hire and quickly established himself as an effective player. He could move the puck by pass or carry, he could hit the tape on the fly with aplomb, he had good instincts in the offensive zone and improved his defense markedly as time wore on. He became a "complete" player type, able to handle the most important minutes in all disciplines for the Edmonton Oilers.

Western Conference at the Trade Deadline - Backhand Shelf
Schultz is a good defenceman, but acquiring him straight-up for Gilbert is just an awful, awful trade for the Oilers.

Chuck Fletcher speaks about today's two Wild trades, and about the future - StarTribune.com
When the Minnesota Wild played Edmonton this year, Tom Gilbert was often playing on [a shutdown] line with Ladislav Smid. He’s a guy that can play in any situation, he moves the puck well and he does have an offensive component. But I don’t know if I’d characterize him purely as an offensive defenseman. I don’t think that’s fair to his talents.

By the Numbers: Western Conference Trade Deadline Recap - Fear The Fin
I like the deal for Minnesota but this is a step backwards for Edmonton in the perpetual rebuild.

Numbers Game - TSN
The bottom line is, individual value aside, that the Wild and Oilers both add players with skill sets that they sorely need.

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Meanwhile HW is all, “Tom Gilbert is a younger Marek Zidlicky.” No, Kurtis Foster is a younger Marek Zidlicky; Tom Gilbert is immediately on the short list for “best defenceman in Minnesota Wild history.” Which granted isn’t saying much, but…

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by Doogie2K on Feb 28, 2012 5:18 PM MST reply actions

The more I think I about it, the more I’m pissed that we didn’t get a second asset back, or at least get one of the Wild’s better young defenseman who could become a Gilbert-type.

Schultz and a prospect like Charlie Coyle would have made it a bit easier to swallow. Maybe one of Spurgeon/Scandella and Brett Bulmer.

I hate to overrate Gilbert but he was most valuable defensive piece in our system. Real laziness on the Oilers part making this a one-for-one deal. They could have expanded the deal to Gilbert and Peckham/Teubert for Schultz and Spurgeon/Scandella. Gilbert was our #1 and pretty close to a legit one, the Wild should have had to pay a premium.

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by J.T. Kirk on Feb 28, 2012 9:32 PM MST reply actions

Tambo Whiffed

…Schultz is a great addition but Tambo whiffed,…no pick, no prospect,…bad biz!

by Oilerfan-atic on Feb 28, 2012 9:46 PM MST up reply actions

I’m glad to get Schultz but not at the expense of Gilbert. Just another misadventure in asset management by Steve Tambellini. They say they need to fix the defense, yet they keep throwing away good defensemen like it’s nothing.
Add Gilbert to the Souray, Visnovsky, Grebeshkov group all of them jettisoned as a means of sacrifice to the Rebuild Gods. Wow look at that group, our top four from our most recent playoff push! At this rate we can only hope the inevitable Smid for Jack Johnson trade comes sooner than we think so we can get that puck mover!

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by J.T. Kirk on Feb 28, 2012 10:00 PM MST up reply actions

I Think Gilbert Wanted a Trade

Here’s the Twin Cities report: http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_20066358?source=rss….and the Wild mgmt wanted this trade so I agree there should have been a kicker…

by Oilerfan-atic on Feb 28, 2012 10:14 PM MST up reply actions

What in that report makes you think that Gilbert wanted a trade?

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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2012 10:47 PM MST up reply actions

Things he said and the way it went down:

“There’s always nerves, but I think it’s going to be more excitement,” Gilbert said Tuesday morning. "(The mindset is) don’t think about what kind of systems I’ve got to play. Just go out there and play hockey. (Twin Cities 02/28)

“It’s always in the back of your mind, wherever you’re from, you always wish to go back there and spend a couple years there playing the sport you love,” Gilbert, 29, said. “There’s more excitement for a chance to start somewhere fresh.” (Star Tribune 02/28)

by Oilerfan-atic on Feb 28, 2012 11:31 PM MST up reply actions

Eh, those are pretty generic comments. How many times have we heard that from Alberta GOBs when they sign/get traded here?

Besides, why would he spontaneously stump for Hemmer to stay at the STH event last week if he’d requested a trade? Seems pointless to me.

by Doogie2K on Feb 29, 2012 12:07 AM MST up reply actions

Did I say he requested a trade?…that’s not my point anyway…my point is, if possible he wanted to go back home, the Wild wanted him, and Tambellini gave the guy away…Oilers should have gotten more for him….

by Oilerfan-atic on Feb 29, 2012 8:50 AM MST up reply actions

You said you think he “wanted” a trade. It’s a distinction, to be sure, but in the grand scheme, I don’t think it invalidates my question.

by Doogie2K on Feb 29, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs

Are we the dumping grounds for Minny’s leftovers since the lockout? Roloson, Barker and now Schultz? Rollie was a horrendous goalie on the decline before pulling out miracle after miracle during the ‘06 cup run. Add to that Barker (we all know how that’s going to end) and now some guy named Schultz. I hope we’re all wrong and this becomes a solid trade for the Oil but who am I kidding. Here’s to hope….it’s gotten me through the past 22 seasons.

by SoCalOil on Feb 28, 2012 10:42 PM MST reply actions

Roli was what?

Roloson posted the best sv% of any goalie with 40 or more games in 2003-04 (.933). He was 2nd in 2002-03 (.927) and 10th in 2005-06 (.908).

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by dawgbone98 on Feb 29, 2012 8:13 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs

And had a terrible W-L record because he had no run support.

by Doogie2K on Feb 29, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions

Guess we all forgot who had a -14 with the second most turnovers in the NHL last year and has fallen off from expectations this year in scoring goals and more importantly assists.

The Oilers sold high on Gilbert after his first good half-season in years and got a good piece that helps the league’s worst defense get better.

by russ99a on Feb 29, 2012 6:42 AM MST reply actions

It’s funny because it’s true!

No, wait, what’s the other one? False. It’s funny because it’s false.

by sarcasticidealist on Feb 29, 2012 7:53 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs

Gilbert gave the puck away 4 more times than Duncan Keith last year.

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by dawgbone98 on Feb 29, 2012 8:15 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs

The Oilers sold high on Gilbert after his first good half-season in years and got a good piece that helps the league’s worst defense get better.

I’ve highlighted the three inaccuracies in this statement.

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by ryanbatty on Feb 29, 2012 9:32 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs

The Rexall scorekeepers assign about 3x more turnovers either way than any other scorekeepers in the League.

Take all RTSS numbers with an entire shaker of salt.

by Doogie2K on Feb 29, 2012 10:27 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs

not only that, but even if the recording was flawless, good defenseman often have huge amounts of turnovers because they’re always asked to move the puck.

by Passive Voice on Feb 29, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions

Montreal is actually the leader in that category, but a couple other teams like the Oilers are close.

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by Ubiquitous on Feb 29, 2012 12:10 PM MST up reply actions

In giveaways?

Oilers have recorded 555 home giveaways, 157 more than the Habs and 409 more than the Columbus Blue Jackets.

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by dawgbone98 on Mar 1, 2012 11:23 AM MST up reply actions

It isn’t quite that bad. LA, Toronto and San Jose have always counted them pretty high as well, though still down some from the Oilers count.

By the looks of it, Montreal fired their guy in 2009-10 and he went and started working for the Leafs.

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by dawgbone98 on Mar 1, 2012 11:25 AM MST up reply actions

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