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Oilers v. Flyers - Psalm 25:1-3

Yahweh, we put our fate in your hands;
we have no control over what happens next.
Yahweh, please don't let us be disgraced;
don't let our enemies laugh at stupidity enacted on our behalf.
We have tried proclaiming truth day after day,
but we know that, in the end, only you can deliver us.

Philadelphia Flyers (33-19-7) @ Edmonton Oilers (23-30-6)

Rexall Place, 7:30 p.m. MST
Television: Sportsnet West

More analysis after the jump...

Star-divide

Visiting Team Scouting Report:

After the Flyers made drastic changes to their team over the summer, I expected them to be hurt a little bit in the standings over the short term, but that hasn't happened. Instead, players like Claude Giroux and Jaromir Jagr have exceeded expectations in a big way and the Flyers have been solidly in playoff position all year long. They're by no means favorites (I have them as the fourth-best team in the Eastern Conference behind the Bruins, Penguins, and Rangers), but the Flyers should be able to either make the second round or put up a very good challenge in the first round against one of the three big dogs.

Expected Lineups:

Edmonton Oilers (23-30-6):

Hall - Horcoff - Hemsky
Smyth - Gagner - Eberle
Eager - Belanger - Paajarvi
Hordichuk - Lander - Petrell

Sutton - Gilbert
Smid - Petry
Whitney - Potter

Dubnyk

Philadelphia Flyers (33-19-7):

Hartnell - Giroux - Simmonds
Briere - Read - Jagr
van Riemsdyk - Schenn - Voracek
Talbot - Couturier - Rinaldo

Timonen - Coburn
Carle - Kubina
Grossman - Meszaros

Bryzgalov

By the Numbers:

  • I don't know if anyone is doing a Top 25 Under 25 for the Philadelphia Flyers, but their top seven looks fantastic. I don't know what order I'd have them in but Sergei Bobrovsky, Sean Couturier, Claude Giroux, Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds, James van Riemsdyk, and Jakub Voracek make a very solid group. It would be awfully tough not to have Giroux at the top; he is, after all, tied for second in league scoring with 70 points, just three back of Evgeni Malkin.
  • It was a group largely built via trade when the Flyers sent both Jeff Carter and Mike Richards away. The Carter trade made (and makes) more sense to me, but it's awfully tough to argue with the results so far. Had the Flyers not decided to spend eleventy billion dollars on Ilya Bryzgalov they may not have done it all, but if there's an amnesty buy-out period heading into the next CBA, I've got to think that Bryzgalov will be near the top of the list, and that signing may come to be looked at as a very odd positive for the franchise.
  • Scott Hartnell averaged just 11:38 in the Flyers' first six games of the year, but has become one of their more important players since. With 28 goals and 28 assists in just 59 games, Hartnell is on his way to the best offensive season of his career. As you might expect, he's also having a career year for shooting percentage (17.2% compared to a career average of 11.3%).
  • In the Oilers' last game against Calgary, Jordan Eberle earned his 100th (and 101st) career point. In doing so, he leapfrogged Eric Brewer for 66th on the Oilers' all-time scoring list. If he can net twenty more by the end of the year, he'll be passing players who spent a lot of time with this team (Jason Smith, Raffi Torres, Martin Gelinas, Georges Laraque).
  • Sam Gagner has been getting time on quality lines over the last several games, and it's really showing in his shot totals. Over his last nine games, Gagner has had 3.56 shots per game. That's much higher than what he's been able to produce over the course of his career. He had a career high 2.50 in 2009-10 before regressing to 2.03 last season. His recent hot streak has brought his total for the year up to 2.15.

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Danger: Out-of-the-Blue Trade Speculationing to Follow!

So, what about Roman Hamrlik, anyway (I know he’s not young, but bear with me)? He’s apparently available, and as of this afternoon he seems to be miffed with Dale Hunter Hamrlik leads the Washington D in RelCorsi (>20 games played), although he’s not exactly facing the vaunt. His zone starts are on the defensive side of 50, and the puck generally seems to be going the right way when he’s out there. Finally, there don’t seem to be any luck-related shenanigans at work; Hamrlik’s PDO is 995.

He’s seeing some second-unit pk time, but nothing on the power play. There will be one year left on his deal after this one, with a cap hit of 3.5. Do, what do you think it would take to get him away from the Caps, and do you think it’s a worthwhile idea for the Oilers to explore?

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 5:34 PM MST reply actions  

And I completely missed that there’s a fanshot up on this very topic… :/ Sorry, Trites, that’s an oversight on my part. I trundling my $0.02 on the issue over there now.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

…and Jaromir Jagr have exceeded expectations in a big way

Disagree here. His NHLE and historic comparables both suggested around 70 points in 82 games. At BSH we pegged him for 22 and 60. He’s on pace to finish with 23 and 61 if he doesn’t miss any more time.

The guys who have wildly exceeded expectations are Hartnell (17.2% shooting, on pace for 39 goals) and Talbot (18.1% shooting, on pace for 24 goals). Read and Couturier are also at the high end of what we could’ve hoped for.

by Eric T. on Feb 23, 2012 5:57 PM MST reply actions  

I think that 70 points in 82 games is a pretty gutsy call for a 39-year-old who turns 40 during the season. A lot of the players listed there as comparables didn’t even come close to that kind of production. Dionne was done at 37. Recchi was put on waivers that season but managed to re-establish himself and play a few more years but didn’t manage that kind of offense. Schmidt was done at 36. Mikita scored 7 points in just 17 games. St. Louis is just 36 now. Howe was great! Bucyk was great! Beliveau was great! Yzerman lost his 39-year-old year to the lock-out but missed that point target at 38, and missed it badly at 40. Phil Esposito turned 39 in Feb. of his last season and scored 20 points in 41 games. Once you adjust for era, Jagr might be at the very top of that group.

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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 23, 2012 6:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s why we went with 60 as our projection — 70 seemed possible, but it was a lot easier to imagine him under that than over it.

by Eric T. on Feb 23, 2012 6:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I think that 70 points in 82 games is a pretty gutsy call for a 39-year-old who turns 40 during the season.

This isn’t any old guy. This is Jaromir Jagr., possibly the most underrated player in NHL history.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 7:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting that your scouting report mentions eight Flyers forwards and two goalies but no defensemen. I guess we covered them in the other thread.

by Eric T. on Feb 23, 2012 6:04 PM MST reply actions  

I guess I could have mentioned that the defense has been revamped over the last couple of days, but they haven’t been around long enough to give much idea about how they’ll perform as a group.

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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 23, 2012 6:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, mostly I’m wondering if I (and perhaps Flyers fans as a whole) are too focused on the weakness. The offense has been fantastic, but ALL of the talk is about how terrible the defense is. So it’s striking to me when I go somewhere and see one thread where someone said “wow, that defense is stacked” and another thread that rates the Flyers as legitimate (if not top) contenders without mentioning the defense.

by Eric T. on Feb 23, 2012 6:13 PM MST up reply actions  

In other news, howson has lost his mind and traded Carter for Jack Johnson and a 1st rounder.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 6:42 PM MST reply actions  

Carter and Richards, together again! And Jack Johnson’s contract scares the hell out of me, given his apparently severe defensive shortcomings.

Is the 1st-rounder a 2012 pick?

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

2013 if the Kings make the playoffs. 2012 or 2013 if they miss. Not sure who decides which, if the Kings miss.

Hyka'n it up a notch.

by Brock on Feb 23, 2012 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Cool

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 7:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks! That’s actually a bit of a boost for the Jackets, given that this year’s draft class is supposed to be on the weak side. It’s a small boost, however.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 7:06 PM MST up reply actions  

BJs get to choose

Insert Witty Comment Here

by VanillaAcid on Feb 23, 2012 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe so, but all the details will probably come out after Carter passes his physical tomorrow.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Carter and Richards together again, so weird. That’s a good looking team in LA now.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 7:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree – I think the Kings won this deal hands down, at least in the short run. Of course, if Johnson figures it out, and if Columbus does something useful with their pick, that could change matters, but right now it’s pretty lopsided, particularly when you consider that the Jackets gave up Voracek and Couturier to get Carter in the first place.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 7:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Basically, in any scenario other than “Jack Johnson develops hereto unseen skills to become the defenseman people thought he would be five years ago” or a serious Carter injury, the Kings walk away from this trade cackling.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 7:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Yup, there are “ifs” heavily involved in the Columbus wins in the long-term scenario. I mean, there always are “ifs,” but these are big ones.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 7:38 PM MST up reply actions  

There are no ifs. This trade is disgusting.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 7:39 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Voracek, Couturier, and a third-rounder whose name escapes me for Johnson and a (probably) late 1st. Yeah, that’s not a good few months’ work for Mr. Howson.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 7:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Add in the Vermette deal

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 7:42 PM MST up reply actions  

And a Nash deal yet to come.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 7:49 PM MST up reply actions  

You think we could get Nash for Jones, Peckham, and a 2 draft picks, lol?

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 8:09 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s Howson. Maybe.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Voracek and Couturier for Johnson and a big question mark. Although funny enough I applauded Howson for making the original and think he could’ve fared worse in divesting Carter.
Nash is now certain to be traded by the draft, and CBus will look like an expansion team for years.

by John Chambers on Feb 23, 2012 7:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Scott Howson is toast. He really has no damned idea what he’s doing.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 7:40 PM MST up reply actions  

And he was taught by Kevin Lowe

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 7:40 PM MST up reply actions  

He’s kind of like a 10-year old trading hockey cards without reading the Beckett guide.

by John Chambers on Feb 23, 2012 7:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Hey, that Garry Lariviere card’s gonna be worth big bucks some day! :)

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 7:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Decent start to this one for the Oilers.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 7:45 PM MST reply actions  

And, no sooner had I typed that, than we’re on the penalty kill… :P

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 7:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Really hoping for a win tonight. My ex is a Flyers fan and we ended our relationship pretty nastily. So, I need a win not only ‘cause I love the Oil, but because I KNOW she’ll be up watching this one tonight.

GO OILERS!

by painfulloss on Feb 23, 2012 7:48 PM MST reply actions  

I could watch Sam Gagner lead the rush all day. In fact, I think maybe I will.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 7:53 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

YEAH! HORDICHUK! YOU GOT YOUR ASS KICKED!

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 7:53 PM MST reply actions  

…and an extra minor as well!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 7:56 PM MST up reply actions  

It was a decent tilt. The pity was that Hordichuk got the bad end of the NHL’s “will anyone get an instigator?” random number generator.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 7:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Paajarvi is playing with Eager and Belanger again.

How many times can that possibly work?

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:07 PM MST reply actions  

This time for sure… presto!

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 8:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Jeff Petry is better than Jack Johnson

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:08 PM MST reply actions  

no argument there.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 8:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Jack Johnson and a bottom half pick just got traded for Jeff Carter.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Good. I had heard that trade rumored with JJ coming to the Oilers for Hemsky. Glad that didn’t happen.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 8:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I already said Howson lost his god damn mind.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 8:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Howson is about to trade the equivalent of Hall, Eberle, and Gagner for nothing in the matter of days.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Way better. Johnson is quite overrated.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 8:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Hemsky would have scored if he wasn’t first off the ice at practice.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 8:12 PM MST reply actions  

I love the Hall-Hemsky “building chemistry” narrative.

Good players make good players better.

You’d think fans would learn this with Gagner.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:12 PM MST reply actions  

dude, whatever, just go with it. any positive press about hemsky is good news.

by Passive Voice on Feb 23, 2012 9:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah, remember when Jody Shelley was an Oiler, all the great things he did for us? No? Oh, right.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 8:15 PM MST reply actions  

Well, apart from the scrap, that was a fairly unexciting period.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:17 PM MST reply actions  

well it was a nice little pass from behind the net by hall to hemsky toward the end there. other than that, not much though.

by dessert1111 on Feb 23, 2012 8:20 PM MST up reply actions  

damned Hobbitses on the rush once.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Not tricksy enough in that period, but there’s still time… :)

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t mind Andy Sutton at all, but he really should never be (jointly) leading the Oilers in SOG through an entire period.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:21 PM MST reply actions  

Doh! Good chance foiled for Eberle.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:34 PM MST reply actions  

Power play! That’s where the Oilers are Vikings!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:36 PM MST reply actions  

That was quite the pass from Whitney to Gagner.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 8:36 PM MST reply actions  

That was a great PP.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 8:38 PM MST reply actions  

Gagner working low and willing to walk in front to stuff the puck and Eberle working the half wall are very interesting.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Terrific release by Hall given his angle to the puck and the direction his momentum was taking him. Terrific. He might be a good player.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 8:38 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

But is he worth Jack Johnson?

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 8:40 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Ain’t nobody worth Jack Johnson.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 8:40 PM MST up reply actions  

There’s a joke in here somewhere about the early 20th-century boxer, but I can’t think of it at the moment.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol – you beat me to it OilLeak!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Voracek had Dubnyk beat to Voracek’s left if he just stuck with it, but instead he cut back right. And Dub said “okay”.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 8:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I love how they called it a great save when the replay clearly shows he lost it…

by Czechboy on Feb 23, 2012 8:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes that replay sure is helpful. Go Dubey!!

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Close call on the odd-man rush there.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:44 PM MST reply actions  

How many more years is Bryzgalov signed for?

by Czechboy on Feb 23, 2012 8:46 PM MST reply actions  

A million. He looked like Khabbi on that goal.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 8:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the Flyers would trade straight up for Khabi if they could… weird, as I was a big fan of his in Phoenix and thought he should’ve been the starter for Russia at the Olympics. Then he just seemed to lose his mind.

by Czechboy on Feb 23, 2012 8:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the Flyers would settle for a ball gag

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 8:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting note about Bryzgalov/Khabibulin:

After Khabi won the Cup with Tampa in 2004, and following the lockout year, Chicago signed him in the summer of ’05 to that mega deal (something to the effect of 4 years @ close to 6.5 mil per, I believe). Khabi was 32 when he signed that deal, and the following 4 years in Chicago were mediocre at best, seeing him play 50, 60, 50, and 42 games (granted, his last year was decent, although still no where near worth that deal). Immediately after that deal expired, he signed the current deal with Edmonton, and we all know how that has went.

The reason I bring this up, is that Bryzgalov was 31 when he signed his mega deal this past summer; only one year younger that Khabi was when he signed his with Chicago.

Now consider Bryzgalov got his current deal based upon his performance in Phoenix the previous 2 seasons. The reason this is interesting is that Phoenix’s system {apparently} positively inflates goalie stats (see Mike Smith sporting a .927 sv% this year).

Taking all of the above into account, and it is quite possible the Flyers have tethered Nik Khabibulin (circa 2005-2013) around their necks for 9 years @ 5.6 mil.

by Trites on Feb 24, 2012 1:18 AM MST up reply actions  

And it’s two, courtesy of Frodo!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:46 PM MST reply actions  

Keep that up, Jordan, and even Derek will think you’re one of our top five under 25.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 8:46 PM MST reply actions  

He looks so good with Gagner covering his defensive responsibilities.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:48 PM MST up reply actions  

So, when Eberle schooled Coburn to get the puck into the zone, applied much of the pressure that kept Philadelphia from clearing it, then scooped up a bit of an ugly turnover and scored, that’s all Gagner?

Hey, I like Sam. Everyone with eyes likes Sam. That doesn’t mean Eberle’s not a genius.

Good players make good players better.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 8:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Schooled? Really? Schooled? A desperation dive is “schooled”? You sound like Bruce.watching a 2nd line WHL player.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Great minds think alike! :)

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Good recovery, Mr. Petry.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:49 PM MST reply actions  

That Petry recovery to Hemsky would’ve been a glorious goal… also, I think Jagr was misquoted. He said Hemsky could get a 100 points but I don’t think he ever said the Flyers should go for him. I’m not even sure Hemsky is what the Flyers need… does he play net?

by Czechboy on Feb 23, 2012 8:50 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Simmonds...

Is it just me or is Simmonds quite pissed off tonight? He seems to be constantly slamming his stick and such. Guess he didn’t like getting hit in warmup but he looks like he’s going postal.

by Czechboy on Feb 23, 2012 8:56 PM MST reply actions  

Who hit him?

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m watching the Flyers broadcast and they just handed out their “check of the game”. I’m not sure what’s funnier: a) there was 6:30 left in the second, or b) they picked Shelley’s little spazfest at the end of the first, when it was literally physically impossible for the “check” to affect the game.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 8:57 PM MST reply actions  

The one where he knocked Potter into the zamboni bay?

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s the one.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

That one was kind of fun, in a “slow night on WWE Raw” sort of way…

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:59 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s kind of crazy that Bryzgalov’s deal is worse than Khabibulin’s

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:57 PM MST reply actions  

True, and it’s even crazier that Bryz isn’t the only goalie out there with a deal worse than Khabi’s.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 8:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I see what you’re saying. Never sign a Russian goalie.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 8:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I was actually thinking of the notorious Italo-Russian ’keeper Рицк ДиПиетров.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:03 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s crazy that any goalie gets a deal longer than 4 years.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I would sign a few goalies to 4+ year deals: Rinne, Lundqvist to name two

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:01 PM MST up reply actions  

So you like Rinne’s deal?

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 9:02 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s a huge cap hit, which I don’t like. But I would sign him to a long term deal because he’s pretty freakin good.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:04 PM MST up reply actions  

People thought Bryzgalov was good too, I wonder what would happen to Rinne if he played for Philly?

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 9:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Would he be affected by the curse?

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:05 PM MST up reply actions  

No one likes that deal

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:07 PM MST up reply actions  

nah, not that crazy. Khabby’s was a bad bet. Bryz’s was a staggeringly stupid one.

by Passive Voice on Feb 23, 2012 9:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Hall touched that first for sure

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:02 PM MST reply actions  

Not even that close.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 9:03 PM MST up reply actions  

That was bizarre. What the hell were they looking at?

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Paajarvi hurt on that one?

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:06 PM MST reply actions  

Left the ice with a guy under each arm. No weight on his right knee at all.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:07 PM MST up reply actions  

end of season… acl is my guess.

by Czechboy on Feb 23, 2012 9:09 PM MST up reply actions  

More than likely ACL. I’ll be shocked if he isn’t done for the season.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Ahh, crap. Just as the kid was starting to have some success as well.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

fuck off, seriously? sometimes i feel like the hockey gods are settling the score with tambo, but can only do it by hurting the kids.

by Passive Voice on Feb 23, 2012 9:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Hartnell was taking a run at him, not at his knee, but when Paajarvi spun away, the only thing left was his knee. Hartnell nailed it.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly. The Flyers bench was steaming at Potter and took it out on MPS.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:23 PM MST up reply actions  

This has been some interesting refereeing the last few minutes.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 9:06 PM MST reply actions  

Intent to injure. Hartnell should get a match for that shit.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:06 PM MST reply actions  

I think there was intent to injure, but not his knee.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Verdict of the Flyers announcers: “could be called interference… or roughing.” These guys are great.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 9:08 PM MST reply actions  

Wow. And I thought our guys were homers.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Gagner is such a dilligent little hobbitses.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:09 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

That he is, that he is!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Gags too unselfish on that pp

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:09 PM MST reply actions  

Good period for the Oil (15-6) SOG, spoiled more than somewhat by the injury to Paajarvi. Hopefully it’s not as dire as described.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:11 PM MST reply actions  

That doesn’t look good. Let’s hope he’s a stud and it ends as a “hyperextension”

And nothing more than a FanPost from doogie

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:12 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Don’t worry, I’m sure Paajarvi will be playing again in a couple weeks.

I’m not saying he’ll be healthy in a couple weeks, but I’m sure he’ll be playing again.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 9:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I hope so. Cross your fingers!

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe Ben is taking a shot

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 9:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate you. You’re right, but I hate you.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 9:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Would anyone here be happy with Bernier for Hemsky?

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:21 PM MST reply actions  

Me either. Sportsnet panel talked about that at the intermission.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I would not be happy with that at all, even if I were in favour of trading Hemmer in the first place. I’ve read too many people in various places in the Oilogosphere who have deep doubts about Bernier’s potential. Just my two cents on the issue!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Good thing too – Hartnell getting a goal after maiming PRV would NOT be justice in my book!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Did the Oilers defense stay in the dressing room to start the period?

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:29 PM MST reply actions  

Interesting that Kreuger pulled Smid/Petry from Jagr’s line…

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:29 PM MST reply actions  

Matching 6 and 77 to that line now.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Based on the last few moments, he should put them back, pronto.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:31 PM MST reply actions  

Reply fail – meant to answer Derek’s comment @9:29.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Looks like you got your wish!

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Jesus – Coburn’s crosscheck was wicked and uncalled .

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:33 PM MST reply actions  

These flyers are dirty, dirty, dirty.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 9:35 PM MST reply actions  

I wonder if Howson cries himself to sleep knowing that he gave Voracek away

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:36 PM MST reply actions  

The Oilers talk such a tough game and send out meatballs with no skill. Then when a team kills one of your players with a knee, not a single meatball is there to say hello.

Cowards. The coaches and players both. Either there is a code and you answer or everything is lipservice and goons only fight goons in some staged attempt to keep shitty fighters relevant.

Cowards.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:36 PM MST reply actions  

The team is waiting for Gagner to fight Hartnell. Eager and Hordi are all about scoring.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:38 PM MST up reply actions  

This is when I wish Comrie was still around. Comrie would destroy Hartnell.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Hartnell wants no part of Sam Gagner. :)

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:39 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

This is not a good night for the officials.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:36 PM MST reply actions  

Apparently cross-checking is legal now.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, fighting is totally the problem with the NHL.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 23, 2012 9:37 PM MST reply actions  

Geez. I need to watch fewer games. We’re up 2-0? The only part of the game I watched involved MPS going down.

Also, really starting to hate this Phillidelphia team.

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 9:43 PM MST reply actions  

It’s been a nasty-tempered sort of game, although as Derek noted we still await of the fist of justice descending on Hartnell.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:46 PM MST up reply actions  

That was nasty. Don’t know that he was going for the knee, but he had the headhunter look about him.

Sounds like the refs haven’t worked off the steak yet, too.

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 9:47 PM MST up reply actions  

It was retribution for a hit by Potter (I think).

And the reffing has indeed been pretty feeble.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Hartnell’s ass is chapped right now

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Belanger is moving so well since the ASB

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:45 PM MST reply actions  

ASB? I’m trying, but I can’t match any dirty words to that.

I’ve been liking Belanger a lot more than I expected I would.

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 9:48 PM MST up reply actions  

All star break. First game back from the break he had more speed than he’d previously demonstrated this year. It’s been the same since.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:50 PM MST up reply actions  

12-1 on faceoffs tonight, too

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Crazy play. Too bad they couldn’t convert that

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:46 PM MST reply actions  

Could very easily have been 3-0 on that one.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:47 PM MST reply actions  

The timing on that was lovely.

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 9:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Giroux has been quiet tonight. I was expecting a lot more from him.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:51 PM MST reply actions  

I’ve heard his name a whole bunch, but not in terribly dangerous contexts. TSN says he’s had 3 SOG, which is decent but not dominating.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Come on here guys – game’s not done yet.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:52 PM MST reply actions  

Hollllllly Hemsky in full flight is still awe-inspiring.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:53 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d – that made me laugh out loud, thanks!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Hockey buds are there for each other.

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 10:00 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I want Hemsky to start racking up points. At least enough that we can get a first rounder for him.

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 9:53 PM MST reply actions  

Where’s the fucking interference call on Coburn (on Hall)?

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:54 PM MST reply actions  

Gilbert’s still not right on his feet.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:54 PM MST reply actions  

Getting better, but still limited.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 9:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I sometimes wonder if the medical staff is confusing physicals with sobriety tests. “You can walk straight? Lace ’em up!”

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 9:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Frustration slashing penalty on Hall.

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:56 PM MST reply actions  

This is just embarassing officiating tonight.

by painfulloss on Feb 23, 2012 9:57 PM MST reply actions  

Penalty shot for Mr. Horcoff!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 9:58 PM MST reply actions  

Early goalie pull coming up

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 10:00 PM MST reply actions  

I’m a big fan of those. Especially when you’re down more than one.

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 10:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Gonna be a fun finish!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 10:01 PM MST up reply actions  

You and Taylor Hall both :)

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 10:01 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Crazy game.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 10:04 PM MST reply actions  

And a shutout for DD. I’m going to start skipping the first 2 periods all the time.

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 10:04 PM MST reply actions  

Vengeance is Ours!!!!

Nice game by Dubnyk, particularly late on.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 10:04 PM MST reply actions  

Three stars and none of them Petry or Smid.

Stupid media.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 10:05 PM MST reply actions  

At least we have twitter.

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 10:06 PM MST up reply actions  

The goalscorers and Dubnyk, I’m guessing?

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 10:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Dubey, Eberle, Whitney

by gvblackhawk on Feb 23, 2012 10:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 10:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I can’t believe how good Smid has become this year, he’s actually living up to his draft position. Petry I playing really well, but I think his game has benefitted from the stability Smid has offered.

As for media attention recognizing Smid’s work? The hockey news praised Smid in a feature article not long ago.

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by OilLeak on Feb 23, 2012 11:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree 100%. Smid won the chance battle 10-1 tonight, while Petry slacked off and only won it 10-3. This they did while playing primarily against the Giroux line. Not a bad night’s work at all!

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 11:17 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Let’s hope Paajarvi has some luck, huh?

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by Derek Zona on Feb 23, 2012 10:07 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

It would be the first time this year. Kid deserves a break.

by eddy the lip on Feb 23, 2012 10:08 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

“Amen” to both those comments.

Nil desperandum.

by Chunklets on Feb 23, 2012 10:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Couple of late notes

The guys at TSN are finally starting to appear pro-Hemsky!

Darren Dreger:

As I said earlier, teams are circling with interest in Hemsky. But, don’t rule out the Oil making one more push to re-sign him.#TradeCentre
2 years, $10 mil (5 per) might keep Hemsky an Oiler…might not. Options being considered in Edmo. No doubt about that. #TradeCentre
@TheNHLSources. I agree, but top 6 guys are really hard to replace. Short term is the key.

Bob McKenzie:

Further to @DarrenDreger’s tweet on EDM try to sign Hemsky, postgame buzz tonite was GM Tambellini in dressing room area to meet with Hemsky

Some positive notes about Hemsky being kept in Edmonton! Hope is a good thing.

by Trites on Feb 24, 2012 1:31 AM MST reply actions  

Also worth noting that both Dreger and McKenzie passed along a note from Columbus Dispatch reporter, Aaron Portzline, saying that the Oilers have been digging Columbus Dman Marc Methot.

Rumors of the Oilers resigning Hemsky… rumors of the OIlers trying to buy low on actual NHL Dmen… do we have new management??

by Trites on Feb 24, 2012 1:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Methot has a broken jaw and is out long term so he can’t be traded. His numbers aren’t that great either. I’m not sure he is an upgrade on what we have. He is getting killed in his current role, but so is the rest of the team, so who knows?

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by OilLeak on Feb 24, 2012 1:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for the update.

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