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The Art of Negotiation and Steve Tambellini

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I was in Hong Kong last year and while shopping at the market, I learned valuable lessons in the art of negotiation. Nothing in the markets have sticker prices, all items are negotiated. The process usually follows the same formula. A buyer finds something he likes, asks the vendor how much, the vendor sizes up the potential buyer and says a price. The buyer counters resulting in a back and forth that ultimately ends in either finding a common middle ground or one party disdainfully walking away.

Here is how the negotiation went for a pair of shoes I wanted to purchase...

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Me: How much?

Vendor: 100 (Hong Kong dollars...Canadian is about one seventh)

Me: TOO MUCH! (that was the response I was told by my friend to use no matter the price given) 30

Vendor: What?!?! 80

Me:30

Vendor: No No...60...I make no money (This is not meant to be racist, I'm Asian, this is actually what the lady said)

Me: 40, that's it

Vendor: *Sighing* Fine!!! *GRUMBLE GRUMBLE*

I walked away quite pleased with myself. My friend watching the exchange glared at me and said "What the hell was that?!?!"

I replied "I thought I got a good deal"

He walked over to a similar vendor with the identical headphones and here is how his negotiation went...

Friend: How much?

Vendor: 120

Friend: TOO MUCH!!!

Vendor: How much?

Friend: Free

Vendor: No No..100

Friend: 5

Vendor: 75

Friend: 6

Vendor: 50

Friend: 10

Vendor: 25

Friend: 10 Final

Vendor: No, 15

Friend: 10

Vendor: No

And that's when my friend walked away. He explained later that when you are buying something that is readily available at the other stalls, you never go into the first negotiation with the intent of actually buying. You are in a position of power. You hold something that is low on supply (money) and you are trying to buy something that is abundant and have no competition for the product. The only advantage the seller has over you is the fact that he knows his selling point and you don't. Once you've gleaned that information, you are never obligated to pay a single cent over that.


I wonder if Steve Tambellini did this due diligence in his negotiation with Andy Sutton. This is how I imagine the conversation went...

Tambo: How much?

Agent: Making 2.125 this year. Let's extend for 1 year?

Tambo: TOO MUCH!!! How about half?

Agent: Half his pay? That's crazy. My guy has played good this year. I can only drop down to 2mill

Tambo: Sorry 1.5mill is my max

Agent: Come on, you know my guy gets suspended a ton trying to intimidate other teams so they don't hurt your kids. He'll never collect all of that, let's meet in the middle at 1.75

Tambo: How about 1.5 and well kick in an extra 250k if he plays all 82 games.

Agent: *Sighing* FINE! *GRUMBLE GRUMBLE* I'll fax over the paperwork. *Hanging up the phone*

I imagine Andy Sutton and his Agent doing the Dance of Joy immediately after hanging up the phone.

Here is how the negotiation SHOULD have gone...

Tambo: How much?

Agent: Making 2.125 this year. Let's extend for 1 year?

Tambo: TOO MUCH!!! Shut up and put Andy on the phone. Look, I'm going to trade you at the deadline here if we don't re-sign you. 2nd rounders are valuable. I think your value if you play up to the contract is 1.5million but there's no guarantee you will play up to your contract and there is no chance of outplaying your contract. And I'm looking to get a deal here and you don't get deals by paying market value. You're old. I'm rebuilding. My owner doesn't care if I win. Quite frankly, I think he'd be happy if I didn't spend 1.5 million of his money and just went with a cheaper group of young players. He would make more money since the lemmings in this city come to games and buy merchandise even if we are the worst team two years in a row. You want to stay here. You don't want to uproot your family for the 4th time in 4 years. You don't want to sit around during the off-season wondering if the phone will ring or whether your career is over. I'm fine with going with Gilbert, Whit, Pecks, Laddy, Petey and Potsy next year. And if I need somebody, I can find any number of free agents for nothing who are dying just to get the chance to play. So I'm going to offer you 500k. I've offered the same deal to Cam Barker and the first one of you that faxes me back a signed contract gets the deal. Don't wait too long. *CLICK*

Sutton to his agent: I need a pen NOW!!!

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Great read!

I was in KL about 10 years ago and strolled the markets for knock-off whatzits (a bunch of lady-friends asked for “gucci” handbags and the like). I got pretty good at buying, but definitely could have done better.

For me it just seems that the Oilers pick odd times/players to overpay on and to arbitrarily set limits. It’s probably frustrating for the players: you never know if they are going to give you the moon or decide the well is dry.

by Romulus' Apotheosis on Feb 14, 2012 9:03 AM MST reply actions  

Ya, that was what I was trying to get across in my post. Anybody that has been in one of these negotiations realizes how unintuitive the process is and I think North Americans are especially bad because we are too afraid to offend the other party even if we hold all of the cards.

I just don’t get how 1.75 million was their middle ground in the negotiation. Nobody thinks Andy Sutton is a 2.25 million player despite having the backhanded compliment “Hes better than I thought he would be” rained upon him.

by Samuel Ngai on Feb 14, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

That was awesome. Truly, it made my morning.

by Peacecountry on Feb 14, 2012 10:10 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks. I tried to make my oiler rage enjoyable.

by Samuel Ngai on Feb 14, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Awesome. Love the added leverage in mentioning Barker’s name. Ha!

by OilPen on Feb 15, 2012 4:47 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Am I the only one who wishes more things in life were like the Life of Brian?

by TigerUnderGlass on Feb 17, 2012 7:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m not oppressing you, Stan. You haven’t got a womb! Where’s the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Feb 17, 2012 7:29 PM MST up reply actions  

This was great. Only thing, I thought it was a nice slice-of-life anecdote until this:

Ive offered the same deal to Cam Barker and the first one of you that faxes me back a signed contract gets the deal. Don’t wait too long. CLICK

…when I realized it was a horror story.

by eddy the lip on Feb 16, 2012 12:20 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

Tambo: I’ve offered the same deal to Cam Barker and the first one of you that faxes me back a signed contract gets the deal.

Sutton: Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha! Hohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohoho! Hehehehehehehehehhehehehehhehehe! Stop, Tambi, I’m getting hysterical! Hahahahahahahahaha….

Tambo: How does $1.5 with a GP kicker sound?

Oilers fan through thick, thin and anorexic. Writer for The Cult of Hockey.

by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2012 1:07 PM MST reply actions  

I love that we wrote two entirely different endings but came to the exact same conclusion.

You think Sutton’s opinon of Barker is so low he would call Tambo’s bluff of offering a time sensitive contract to someone so awful.

I think Sutton’s opinon of Barker is so low that Barker would immediately sign the contract leaving him out in the cold.

Different routes…same conclusion…Cam Barker STINKS!
I love it!

by Samuel Ngai on Feb 16, 2012 2:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m very confident that Sutton would wait to July 1st if his other option was to spend another year playing for a poor Oilers squad for the minimum.

The biggest fanana of the Havana Bananas.

by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I do hope Tambo starts negotiations with Barker at “Free”.

by Passive Voice on Feb 16, 2012 1:28 PM MST reply actions  

I would hope it would start with ‘I want a refund!’

by TakeoutArtist on Feb 16, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Unfortunately, Barker’s an RFA, so the first offer would have to be for 2.25 million.

Fortunately, Barker’s an RFA, and since even Tambellini’s probably not insane enough to offer him that much money, he will likely (hopefully) not be an Oiler next year.

by Double DD on Feb 17, 2012 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

2 options i see: dont offer him qualifier or max. 2.25 millions for (another waste) 1 year. Long time terms would make me scream out NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not again. Best should be trade him away for a handshake

bring Sheldon Souray back!

by Screaming69 on Feb 18, 2012 1:53 AM MST up reply actions  

He would make more money since the lemmings in this city come to games and buy merchandise even if we are the worst team two years in a row.

This hurt a little bit.

Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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by ryanbatty on Feb 16, 2012 1:41 PM MST reply actions  

At least you skipped last night’s game?

by DarrenV on Feb 16, 2012 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I think its a bit of a silver lining of this whole rebuild that doesnt get enough attention. Daryl Katz could easily take the route of the Jacobs regime in Boston pre-cap era in exploiting a desperately loyal fan base by icing an inexpensive team while continuing to rake in the dough. Allowing Tambo to continue to make it rain leads me to believe this is more a labor of love than a profit making enterprise…not that the two should be mutually exclusive.

by Samuel Ngai on Feb 16, 2012 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

interesting question would be what would reach Mr. Katz in the next 2 to 3 years?

Does he want a cheap team, regardless of outcome, the main thing with rookies and saved money for the future & Arena project?

Or is he really amateurish trying to let the Oilers are better with the help of Lowe & Tambo?

Many questions remain unanswered after this season.

bring Sheldon Souray back!

by Screaming69 on Feb 18, 2012 2:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Love it.

I’ve shopped in the Silk Markets of Beijing and Guangzhou as well as at Khan el-Khalili in Cairo and the markets in Luxor and Aswan.

If you aren’t sharp, you get killed.

I learned quickly to always walk away once in a negotiation when I really wanted something. To nerve to do it the first few times, but then became part of the dance.

In the Bejing Silk Market my business partner paid about $30 Canadian for cashmere scarf for his wife. For fun I went to the same booth market and got 3 for $30.

They haven’t fallen apart yet either.

I have to teach my staff how to deal with my East Indian and Vietnamese customers as well. Never start near where you want to finish.

You could start below cost and if you don’t move your price its very insulting.

With my North American bread customers you start close to where you want to finish, dig in and move slow.

Learning who has power in a negotiation is everything.

by Woodguy on Feb 16, 2012 2:25 PM MST reply actions  

HAHAHA. Funny stuff.

The truth is, if it ever did happen that way, the worst the would happen is the Oilers wouldn’t have Barker or Sutton next season.

Of couse, I don’t think Tambellini could talk that fast and proficient over the phone. He might need to write his speech down and practise it for a while first. Which is what good politicians do. Which is why I think it would be a good thing for him to do.

My life in China at http://abillioncivilians.blogspot.com/

by Brett Gee on Feb 18, 2012 1:23 AM MST reply actions  

Also, being in Asia, it is true that no matter what someone starts out with, always come back with a low ball. Most foreigners pay good money for fake merch in Beijing’s silk market. The vendors are raking it in. If you come in and pay pennies for the same thing, they might just respect you more for not being an idiot. Oh, they’ll whine about it, but deep down they respect you.

My life in China at http://abillioncivilians.blogspot.com/

by Brett Gee on Feb 18, 2012 1:25 AM MST reply actions  

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