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Tobias Rieder - #20 in The Copper & Blue's Top 25 Under 25

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Through the first five days of this edition of The Copper & Blue's Top 25 Under 25 every player profiled has been a defenseman. That pattern ends with the appearance of our first forward, Tobias Rieder at number 20 and proves that this team has more than just "a bunch of middling defensive prospects with uncertain NHL futures." We also have middling offensive prospects with uncertain NHL futures.

That's not to say that there aren't things to like about Rieder's game. Rieder has made a significant jump in The Copper & Blue's prospect rankings climbing nine spots since this summer, his Top 25 Under 25 debut, so those of us doing these ranking have certainly seen something that we like but for a player that stands just 5'10 and is only weeks removed from his 19th birthday there is a still a long hard road ahead of him to make it to the NHL.

Rieder was taken by the Oilers in the fourth round with the 114th overall selection, a day after they added first overall selection Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to the team at the 2011 entry draft. Rieder, who is now playing in his second OHL season with the Kitchener Rangers, was coming off a season with 23 goal and 26 assists when the Oilers selected him. This season Rieder's offensive production has increased and through 40 games played has already scored 51 points and surpassed his points total from all of last season. And fear not fans, Rieder has been limited to only 40 games because he spent most of December playing for Germany at the Division I World Junior Championships where he led all scorers with five goals and eight assists and helped Germany secure a spot in the main tournament next season, not because he was sidelined with an injury.

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Rank Player DOB Drafted Year Ben
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Jon Ryan Scott
20 Tobias Rieder 1993-01-10
114 2011
20 19 30 18 20 20 23

Previous Rank: 29

Rieder's offensive production has played a big part in his jump from 29 before the season to 20 today. Last season the Rangers were led offensively by forwards Jason Akeson, Gabriel Landeskog, and Matthew Tipoff all of whom are no longer with the team. Although Reider ranked sixth on the team in scoring it was obvious that he wasn't being depended on to lead the Rangers on a nightly basis. In the absence of last season's offensive leaders Rieder has stepped up and shown he can help carry the load. And so, after being ranked in the top 25 by only Jon the last time around Rider has moved up in everyone's rankings (ten spots or more in four rankings) and is now ranked outside of the top 25 by DB alone. Derek, who ranked Rieder higher than anyone, had this to say about him:

Rieder is part of a very talented group of German forwards that include David Elsner and Tom Kühnhackl. Rieder is outscoring Kühnhackl at the same age and outscoring the very talented Radek Faksa in Kitchener and sits 12th in the OHL in goals. The most impressive thing about him is only 5 of his 24 goals have come on the power play, 4th-lowest amongst the top 12 scorers in the O.

Since Derek wrote that Rider has gotten hot and scored four goals in his last three games to bring his season total to 28, good for sixth in the OHL. Derek's point about Rieder's play at even strength is also very important. Rieder not only leads the Rangers in both goals and points but his +22 has him in second place among the team's forwards behind only Radek Faksa. That his production isn't based heavily on power play results is encouraging and likely a good thing given that the depth of talented forwards in the Oilers system could make power play time scarce for the foreseeable future. If he can generate offence at even strength that should be something that helps his climb up the depth chart towards the NHL once he turns pro.

Whereas the rest of us have been impressed with Rieder's progress this season, DB is still hesitant. His thoughts on Rieder:

I just don’t think his offense is going to translate to the NHL. He had a bit of a tough year adjusting to the OHL and when you are that small you really can’t have years where you struggle against your peers. He’ll need to add something else to his game to make it to the next level.

Rieder's small stature is certainly an issue and is likely part of the reason Rieder was still available when the Oilers came to the podium to select him more than halfway through the fourth round. For a team that already has a number of small forwards Rieder could find his road to the NHL blocked by bigger bodies as the Oilers try to add size to their lineup. It's still a long journey for Rieder but I'd like to think that if he can continue to produce offensively that he will get a shot at some point. Whether or not that shot comes in Edmonton could be a different story altogether.

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I’m with Derek on this one. As for the “NHL transition issue”: I believe that with Rieder it is “it doesn’t matter how big you are – all it matters is how big you play!”

by Roman_Pilgrim on Jan 31, 2012 12:26 PM MST reply actions  

How many 5’10, 165 players succeed in the NHL scoring less than 0.5 PPG?

Not a heck of a lot I’d wager. Either his offense is going to have to translate (which I have reservations about), or he needs to add an element that doesn’t currently exist (i.e. strong PK, agitator, etc…)

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by dawgbone98 on Jan 31, 2012 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I might have his weight a bit low… I’ve seen it listed as 165, 180 and 190. That changes things a bit then.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

Tactical contributor to the Copper & Blue and just as boring on the twitters... @dawgbone98

by dawgbone98 on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Big fan of Rieder and he would be even higher on my list. Among the league leaders in SH Goals and; as mentioned in the article, significant production 5×5.

The size issue is an intersting one as there always seems to be a wide discrepancy among sources for junior age players.The OHL website has him at 5’11 and 190 pounds. No doubt that is a stretch but is it really so different then Eberle and Skinner and others?

by nelson88 on Jan 31, 2012 1:23 PM MST reply actions  

If he’s 190lbs he’s heavier than all of them

The Edmonton Oilers, keeping opposition fans happy for the last 6 years

by OilLeak on Jan 31, 2012 1:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Size

Curious so I went to the IIHF archive assuming that would be the most accurate. In 2009 tournament Eberle was listed at 5’10" 181 pounds. At this years tourney Rieder is listed at 5’10" and 179 pds.

I stand by my prediction of “Eberle light” and for a 4th round pick anywhere near that ballpark would be a steal.

by nelson88 on Jan 31, 2012 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Sounds like he has been bulking up over the past year. Kid weighs more than RNH. If you are going to build through the draft, you have to hit some double and triples, and maybe even a home run in later rounds. let’s hope this kid is a double or more.

by gcw_rocks on Jan 31, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

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