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Kyle Bigos - #23 in Copper & Blue's Top 25 Under 25

Though it took three years, Kyle Bigos finally broke into our Top 25. The big man with the big shot moved up eleven spots in our rankings, the third-largest jump behind Martin Gernat and our #19 player.

Bigos' Merrimack Warriors are 13-5-5 (9-4-3 in Hockey East) and are ranked #10 in the NCAA Pairwise rankings. Bigos will again get a chance to play in the NCAA playoff tournament and will likely move to the professional game when Merrimack's run is over, which could be as early as the last week in March. Given the Oilers spot in the standings, their current plague of injuries, and what will likely be a final push to the Calder Cup Playoffs by the Barons, there's a possibility that Bigos will make his debut in the NHL in late March.

Is the 6'5" 230 pound giant deserving of the ranking, or is this a case of promotion by attrition? Or, have we finally shaken our future bias and realize Bigos is so close to the professional game?

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Rank Player DOB Drafted Year Ben
Bruce
DB
Derek
Jon Ryan Scott
23 Kyle Bigos
05/12/89
99 2009
22 27
25
15
29
23
20

Previous Rank: 34

Prior to this update, our group has been consistent in ranking Bigos: 30-29-31-34. Both Ben and I moved Bigos up ten spots, Bruce moved him up five, Scott four and even Jon, the most pessimistic among us, moved him up a spot.

Jonathan's primary objection is age:

I like Bigos, but I'm definitely concerned about his age. He was drafted as an overage player, and he's the same age as Alex Plante and he has yet to play a professional game. Maybe he hits the ground running, but he absolutely should be doing a number on college players, given his size and his age. The real test will be when he turns pro.

He's right. Bigos will turn 23 in May. To put that in perspective, Bigos is just 17 months younger than Jeff Petry who is already a regular bottom-pairing defenseman in the NHL and is close to becoming a regular top four performer. But I'm not counting on Bigos for top four minutes any time soon. I am however, counting on him to play bottom-pairing minutes in the NHL and possibly for a very long time.

Both size and toughness come through in Bigos' penalty minutes. Over the last three seasons, Bigos has spent a Peckham-like amount of time in the penalty box:


G PM PM/G
2009-10 36 94 2.61
2010-11 33 127 3.84
2011-12 21 72 3.42

Those numbers include seven major penalties. In a league without fighting, seven majors in three seasons is noteworthy.

But he's not just a meathead bent on total in-zone annihilation. He plays in all situations and on the top pairing. And he's not bashful about unleashing his shot.


G S S/G
2009-10 36 62 1.72
2010-11 33 59 1.78
2011-12 21 48 2.28

Bigos is enormous, but not limited by lack of footspeed. He's a menace in the defensive zone, and he's able to make stretch passes in Merrimack's breakout. He takes a boatload of penalties, but he's got the ever-important crust and he's willing to both protect and stick up for his teammates.

Size and strength alone will keep him in the pro game for a very long time. If scouting reports are accurate and he's got enough game to go along with the size, Bigos is going to be a fixture in the NHL for a very long time.

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It should be interesting to see where Bigos jumps in at the pro level. He’s a righty, so I’d probably have him seventh on the depth chart if he turned pro today behind Gilbert, Petry, Potter, Teubert, Plante and Helmer , but ahead of Lowery and Tulupov. That puts him out of the AHL lineup if everyone is healthy. Would you have him higher than that at this point, Derek?

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by Scott Reynolds on Jan 28, 2012 4:34 PM MST reply actions  

I’d have him ahead of Teubert and Plante.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 28, 2012 7:52 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s because you’re insane.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jan 28, 2012 7:56 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I look at it this way – Fedun ended camp way out in front of both Plante and Teubert. Fedun was an undrafted defenseman playing all situations for a bottom-end NCAA team. Bigos is a drafted defenseman with greater size and a better shot playing all situations for a top-ten NCAA team.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 28, 2012 9:17 PM MST up reply actions  

But isn’t comparing Fedun to Bigos a bit like comparing an apple to a watermelon? I mean, I really like the idea of Bigos, but I don’t think they’re playing similar roles on any team. Fedun is a puck mover. Bigos is a monster. The comparison seems a little tenuous to say the least.

On a separate note, I remember reading a newspaper article (linked through this site) that explained Bigos’ heavy penalty minutes partly as a consequence of his colossal size. Refs tended to penalise him for hits against smaller opponents that should be perfectly legal but tended to draw a penalty because they destroyed the opponent owing to the sheer ballast that Bigos carries with him. Lets hope that Sutton is still around when/if Bigos makes the team so that he can train him in the fine arts of legal hitting in the Shanahan-era NHL.

by Yeti# on Jan 28, 2012 11:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Bigos can’t be a puck-moving monster?

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by Derek Zona on Jan 29, 2012 7:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the Oilers should stick to acquiring defenseman from the NCAA, this prevents management from promoting them too soon.

Brilliant.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 29, 2012 7:48 AM MST up reply actions  

That’s kind of what I figured. I have trouble believing that it’s true, and even more difficulty thinking that the coach would bring Bigos in at the top of his depth chart, but it it plausible. And after thinking about it a bit, they probably end up moving one of those guys over to play the left side anyway where OKC has substantially less depth right now.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jan 29, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

bring Bigos in at the top of his depth chart, but it it plausible

Fedun had a camp to prove himself. Bigos will have the same opportunity.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 29, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

No offence to Fedun, but a good camp does not a good player make. It’s impossible for us to know how he would have handled against actual NHLers over a longer time. I would prefer Bigos to play a season in the AHL before any extended time on the big club, just to make sure we know what we have

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by VanillaAcid on Jan 29, 2012 4:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Certainly. But Fedun walked into a situation where the team had 2 healthy NHL defensemen.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 29, 2012 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

If he comes into the organization right after the NCAA season, I’m not so sure that he will. It’s not so easy to get an audition in March. If he comes into the organization over the summer, then yeah, he absolutely will.

Two things about the Fedun comparison. First, we really don’t know how good he was. We only saw him in camp, and even then just in a couple of games. Plenty of guys look good in camp and then fall off when the regular season starts.

Second, it’s not like a guy coming in from college just generally succeeds. Some step in to the pro game and get immediate results. Others come in and have substantial struggles. Why is Fedun a better comparable than, say, Taylor Chorney?

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by Scott Reynolds on Jan 29, 2012 5:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I can go on nothing but scouting reports.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 29, 2012 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

That doesn’t really answer my question (unless you’re saying that Fedun and Bigos were described as having similar strengths/weaknesses, but that’s not my recollection). Maybe I didn’t state my question very clearly. What I’m getting at is, what makes you think Fedun’s performance is more relevant than any other high level college defender? It just seems like an odd anecdote to turn to, especially since none of us have seen Fedun play all that much.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jan 29, 2012 9:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m not saying Fedun is special, I’m saying he was in the right place at the right time and to my eyes, well clear of the guys I had listed below him. Fedun came to the team with far less fanfare. So if a polished college defender comes to camp next year, I think it’s a decent bet that he’s going to, at the very least, be in the running for the end of the roster, if the roster looks like it did this year, injuries included.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 29, 2012 10:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I know hoping for the roster to be substantially better is pie-in-the-sky stuff, but I sure do hope that the backend is substantially improved.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jan 29, 2012 10:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m sure it will be. And Hemsky and Gagner will be gone up front, replaced by Paajarvi and Grigorenko.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 29, 2012 10:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I fail to see the appeal in a guy who takes a lot of minor penalties without learning not to do things like that.

Didn’t we just get rid of Ethan Moreau who fit that description?

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

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by dawgbone98 on Jan 29, 2012 9:13 PM MST reply actions  

I don’t understand it either, but NHL teams seem to enjoy that.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 29, 2012 10:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Truculence!

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by Doogie2K on Jan 30, 2012 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

As crazy as it sounds, in today’s NHL I am not sure 6’5" and 230 qualifies as “enormous” or a “giant” anymore. The average defenseman is 73.87" (6’ 1 7/8"), only 3 inches shorter, and that’s average. The average d-man also weighs 209.66 lbs, only 20 lbs less. If NHL.com stats worked on my crappy work laptop I would have done a search on how many NHL players were 6’4" or higher. I mean the kids big, but we are not talking Chara/Boogard territory.

I mean, aren’t Marincin and Gernat around the same height? What should we expect them to weigh in 4 to 5 years?

Very curious to see how he looks in camp. There is some good buzz around him, but its a big leap and he is older.

by gcw_rocks on Jan 29, 2012 9:28 PM MST reply actions  

6’5 would make him tied for the 16th tallest player in the NHL and 230 lbs would make him tied for the 42nd heaviest.

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by dawgbone98 on Jan 29, 2012 10:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, but if you expand the question to say how many players in the NHL are 6’4" or higher, how many players do you get? One inch difference does not a giant make. And if you go to 6’3", how many then? Even two inches of clearance isn’t really that much. Chara stands out because he has 5-6 inches of clearance over the next guy.

Its still a very good thing, but man there are a lot of big NHL players these days.

by gcw_rocks on Jan 30, 2012 8:07 AM MST up reply actions  

So basically, you’re asking, is he truly a statistical outlier (>2-3 SD from the mean, depending on your level of significance)?

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by Doogie2K on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Something like that, yes

by gcw_rocks on Jan 30, 2012 8:30 PM MST up reply actions  

He’s bigger than Shea Weber.

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