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Jay Feaster Revisited : How do the Oilers get back to competing?

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"You know what? I look forward to the Battle of Alberta for the next X number of years. If the idea is, ‘Burn it to the ground,’ then (Flames president) Ken (King) can find another manager to do it."

- Jay Feaster.

This past week, Feaster revisited his comments about rebuilding with a lighthearted and "just playing around" tone when it comes to his underlying message about the Oilers sucking forever and a day. Whether he meant the sharp jab or not, his words have left many an Oiler fan somewhat confused about the whole situation. The common response is to tell Jay that his team will always be chasing 8th place while the Oilers will be sipping on the Champagne every spring starting 2014ish. At the same time, the Oilers DO suck and as the days and losses and excuses pile up, we inch closer and closer to a year that closely resembles 2014.

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My automatic reaction to Feaster's comments was anger, and then I wondered why I was angry. In a way, his comments make sense. I've never been proud of the Oilers trying to lose to get high picks. It's the easy way out, and it's the way of losers. I mean, they actually give you a prize for being a loser. I had always hoped that they could build it up again after Pronger left, and it seemed like they tried to do something that Feaster might have respected back in the 2006-2007 season.

Since that infamous trade, the Oilers tried adding Petr Sykora, Petr Nedved, Geoff Sanderson, Erik Cole, Ales Kotalik, Sheldon Souray, Patrick O`Sullivan, Gilbert Brule, and Mike Comrie at various times to try to make a "quick fix" of things. If that's what they were trying to do, which seems to be what they say they were trying to do, then that, my friends, is striking out... big time! Never mind, burn it down.

In the Oilers case, was there ever really a foundation to build upon at all? Do the Oilers have an All-star goalie? Do they have a future Hall of famer? If Iggy and Kipper had walked away like Pronger, would Feaster be singing a different tune? More than that, is there more to the Flames that the Oilers just aren't at yet?

On Lowetide's show last week, He talked to Ryan Lambert about these very things. LT rattled the "Flames will always chase 8th place" drum. Though, looking deeper into the expanding void between these two teams, they concluded that the main thing that seemed to separate the two had something to do with drive and work ethic; the Flames compete much more consistently than the Oilers. They have been for years now.

When I look at the way the Oilers have been competing this season, the main thing that has been missing, and has been missing for years, isn't a 1st round pick; it's hard work and a consistent compete level. It's the stuff that made us all endure the "Great Leap Forward" of the 90's. Hard working, mediocre talent, and a killer goalie. Now, we've got some nice talent, but the hard workers and the goalie are missing.

At some point, this team has to start being consistent. If they keep losing, that's fine, but if they continue to dog it out on the ice then I would say that they are further away from success than years can count. They'll never make it out of the bottom unless they first learn how to bring the damn fury every single night. Haven't seen it for years now. Don't know how they get it back.

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“Our compete level, you know, our passion, our determination is going to have to be on every night,” Hall said matter-of-factly after the game.

“That’s not that hard, you know? If you’re hurt or if you’re not feeling good, you can always bring passion to the game. That’s just something that has to be mandatory with our team and the last two games are a sign of that.” – Taylor Hall

This is where it starts, players holding each other accountable. Messier did it at one time – what was the quote, from Kent NiIlsson IIRC, " I was afraid not to play my best". Or Jimmy Carson tossing the jersey on the floor after a game and Messier getting after him.

In a year or two I wouldn’t want to be in a room with Hall after a lazy game. I also wouldn’t want to be a still active former Oiler that had badmouthed the team. Think I’d skip the Oilers game.

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by FastOil on Jan 28, 2012 10:15 AM MST reply actions  

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Good point. I hope that he takes on more responsibility and authority next season. The best way to do that is to keep doing what he’s doing.

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by Brett Gee on Jan 30, 2012 6:04 PM MST up reply actions  

The Oilers will get back to competing only when the entire organization, to a man or woman is slavishly devoted to doing everything possible to bring it every night.

Right now the focus is on “development” and collecting high draft picks. Don’t think for a moment every player in the room doesn’t know this. While some like Hall desperately want to compete, you have an organization sitting on its hands while Rome burns. They talk about accountability but it’s a hollow sentiment. Competing is an option right now.

The team’s willingness to lose and perceived lack of will to improve is devastating to players who don’t care about 5 years from now. It’s a little like what Staff Sergeant Nantz says in Battle LA “You can go right. You can go left. But make a decision.”

by David S on Jan 28, 2012 12:53 PM MST reply actions  

Competing is an option right now.

Burning away ELCs like they’re free money and the fanbase is still in believe mode.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jan 28, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s all about leveraging value and talent. Neither team has any clue as to how to do this, however.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 28, 2012 1:08 PM MST reply actions  

A group of kids and ragtag AHL players can bring all the passion they want to the game, at the end of the day they still suck and can’t compete with the balance and depth that good teams have.

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by OilLeak on Jan 28, 2012 4:25 PM MST reply actions  

They can’t even compete with the balance and depth that bad teams have.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 28, 2012 9:17 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Good point

Might as well not try at all until they are ready to flip the magic switch and win a Cup.

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by PPP on Jan 29, 2012 9:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Its not burning ELCs that is the real problem with this management team (although that’s not good).

The real problem is they keep taking thier best players and moving thier free agency date up by 2 years. You get 7 years of controlability with these players and Oilers management keeps trading thier 26 and 27 year old seasons for thier 18 and 19 year old seasons. And they are doing this when:
1) The pace of the re-build is glacial, maning these kids will spend more of the 7 years losing rather than winning; and
2) We are increasingly seeing players resist giving up free agent years (see Stamkos, S and pretty much any young star in basketball) but rather timing deals so they get options once they are eligible for free agency.

Pure madness.

by gcw_rocks on Jan 30, 2012 8:25 AM MST reply actions  

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In the situation they’ve been in for what seems like forever, they are comfortable with always adding here and there. It never bumps them over the top, but through it all they’ve got a veteren team that competes and is tough to play against.

The Oilers, they are the opposite. They would rather bring in a 20 year old prospect, then with injuries all of these kids end up playing crazy minutes in the NHL before they’re ready. Why can’t these guys sign a few players here and there? Why not sign Turco at the beginning of the season? Heck, why not add yet another veteren 5-6 d-man just so that all of Peckham, Petry, Plante, Teubert don’t need to be relied upon for large amounts of playing time.

A far as the rebuild, at the rate it’s going, it will happen without the management’s input because it really will take 10 years to get all of the pieces together. By that time, Gagner will be nearing the end of his carrer, wherever he may be.

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by Brett Gee on Jan 30, 2012 6:11 PM MST reply actions  

It's not "compete level"

I’ve watched a few games this year, and in the games I saw it was not compete level that was missing. It was DEFENCE. “Compete level” is just jargon for “don’t have the horses”.

Every year, the defence is the last priority. Now there are loads of potential forwards, suspect goaltending and VERY suspect defence.

So let’s just draft another great forward in the first round this year…. and maybe something will change.

by Marvellous on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 AM MST reply actions  

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From what I’ve been watching, this team plays well some nights and completely flat most. There is something there with the “compete level”, whatever you want to call it. It’s more than just adding a couple more defensemen.

There is a lot of evidence that this team has enough horses that they can compete against anyone. I mean, why not? Now, actually playing well and winning against some teams might be a different story.

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by Brett Gee on Jan 31, 2012 8:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Patchwork tactics

I’m not talking about “adding a couple of defencemen”. I’m talking about building a defence and a reliable set of goalie prospects… move some forwards, get rid of most of the dmen and build a defence with all of the picks and the openings. This is a great year to accomplish that.

But knowing how the Oilers operate, this year will be similar to the last 10 years. Stubbornly add another top six guy with the 1st rounder and a defenceman with the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick, and think that the job is done.

This management is missing vision big time, as they continue to practice patchwork tactics. It’s hard to be an Oilers fan.

by Marvellous on Feb 1, 2012 7:12 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree

Completely.

I guess the main thing I’m wondering is how much is all of the losing effecting these player’s belief that they can actually win games?

Sometimes it seems like they’ve lost the belief. This, as you say, has a lot to do with the lack of balance that we all know is there.

If they ever do get more balance, will all of this last place hockey they’ve been playing for 3 years wash away just like that?

It will be interesting to see just how much damage Tambellini can inflict on this organization, even after he is gone. Hopefully, it won’t effect them at all, but I’m leaning more towards it being a big problem.

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by Brett Gee on Feb 1, 2012 9:27 AM MST reply actions  

Stat of the day

Eliminate the Oilers/Flames games this season and look at the records of both the teams. They would almost be identical.

by Billy Sol Hurok on Feb 1, 2012 4:18 PM MST reply actions  

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