Steve Has Already Done Enough
Much has already been made of the rumours that Steve Tambellini is in talks with the Oilers for a contract extension. The architect of the current Oilers, according to some, should be able to see his rebuild through to the very end.
I disagree. I disagree so strongly that if such a move were to be made, I’d give up on the team that I’ve loved as long as I can remember. It’s a team that’s been as big a part of my life as anything outside of school, work or family. A team so much a part of me that one of my earliest childhood memories is looking through the sports sections for the Oilers score when I could barely read.
Steve Tambellini was hired in the summer of 2008 and since that date, the Oilers have fallen into a downward spiral, finishing last twice with a possibility of a third time this season. Red lights should have started flashing immediately when the Canucks passed over a guy with 18 years in the organization to hire Mike Gillis as their general manager, but alas it didn’t and the Oilers were extremely happy to bring him into the fold.
Call me impatient if you want, but you’d be wrong. I was very patient in the late 90’s and early aughts when the Oilers had to make decisions based on money. I recognized that Lowe sometimes had to sell a good player for younger players who might one day be. I hoped that the system would change enough so that the Oilers didn’t have to watch good players leave so they could get contracts that paid them $8 mil per year. I was patient after the Pronger trade, especially given how many veteran players they lost.
It’s not that I can’t wait for guys like Hall and Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle to become top players. My issue is that the group in charge has gotten it wrong once already and we are counting on this same group to not screw up again, and I struggle to come up with a single good reason as to why.
For starters, the one strength of the team has been completely obliterated with virtually nothing to show for it. Since he was hired, the Oilers have gone from a defence that looked like this:
Gilbert, Visnovsky, Grebeshkov, Souray, Smid, Staios, Strudwick
To the group we have today:
Gilbert, Smid, Potter, Sutton, Petry, Peckham, Whitney, Barker
The Oilers went from having pretty solid NHL depth to having one of the weakest blueline groups in the entire league. Out of this tear down, the Oilers have gained a 2nd and 3rd round pick.
Tambellini also signed Nikolai Khabibulin to a simply atrocious deal, completely ignoring everything other than the name of the player and the fact that he happened to win a cup several years earlier. What should be even more alarming is the attempts to justify the contract by pointing out that if they had signed someone better they wouldn’t have drafted Taylor Hall. When the best thing you can say about a signing is that it allowed you to suck so badly something good came out of it, I don’t consider that a defence.
North American sports is the only business in the world where you can be so horrible at your job that your incompetence actually helps out your organization. That’s not really the feature I want to have in the guy who is in charge of making things better.
Ultimately, the problem with Tambellini is that when he tries to make things better he actually makes them worse. The team tried to compete in 2009-10 and finished dead last. The team was supposed to show improvement this year and take a step and they are on pace to finish 2nd last.
The big need that was identified by the Oilers was size. They are too small up front and they get pushed around. The solution? Add a pair of 4th liners who don’t really play all that much. When you talk about being too small up front, you can’t just add 450lbs into your line-up and say problem solved. That doesn’t make a line with Gagner, Hall and Hemsky any physically tougher to play against.
The few good moves that you can attribute to Tambellini include:
- Being incompetent enough to get Taylor Hall.
- Getting Ryan Jones.
- Getting Ryan Smyth.
Everything else he’s done has either been marginal like getting rid of Moreau and Staios (who would be gone by now anyways), adding guys like Potter (depth D on a good team), Eager (hit and miss) or have been miserable failures because they were either bad moves (Khabibulin, Hordichuk) or just haven’t worked out right despite some evidence to the contrary (O’Sullivan, Belanger, Whitney).
Here is a guy whose good moves are overshadowed by his bad ones. He’s already failed once at putting together a competitive team and we somehow expect him to get it right this time? Why should he get more time? What has he shown that makes you think it’s going to be any different 3 years from now?
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I absolutely agree
Let the guy finish the season if you must, its pretty much a write off from here anyways. But once weve finished that last game, get him gone and bring in someone new. Let the new guy do his own drafting (MBS runs that show anyway) and free agency, and start this team anew.
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If the Gagner rumors are true, I’d rather him out sooner. I don’t know if I trust him with that trade.
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by dawgbone98 on Jan 26, 2012 9:18 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t trust him with any trade.
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by ryanbatty on Jan 26, 2012 9:25 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Excellent stuff. Some thoughts of my own:
Red lights should have started flashing immediately when the Canucks passed over a guy with 18 years in the organization to hire Mike Gillis as their general manager, but alas it didn’t and the Oilers were extremely happy to bring him into the fold.
I presume this was part of the reason he was hired – most GMs wouldn’t accept the compromised authority of working under Lowe. Tambellini was brought in, initially at least, as the more junior figure in that relationship. A more competent or experienced GM would not have accepted the constraints this posed (or poses?) to his authority.
What should be even more alarming is the attempts to justify the [Khabi] contract by pointing out that if they had signed someone better they wouldn’t have drafted Taylor Hall. When the best thing you can say about a signing is that it allowed you to suck so badly something good came out of it, I don’t consider that a defence.
Absolutely – particularly because hiring a cheap, temporary goalie could have served that purpose without wasting cash, cap space and still being stuck with a bloated contract into next season.
Good post. I do have a hard time giving him any credit for acquiring Smyth though. He basically traded himself and regardless of who was right or wrong, Tambo managed to turn a slam dunk good thing into an embarrassing episode.
by RiversQ on Jan 26, 2012 9:42 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions 2 recs
At least Mulbury was competent enough to pull off a trade without a hitch.
by sablue82 on Jan 26, 2012 11:58 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree that this team is better off with Tambellini gone. The strangest part of the extension talk is the rumored four-year term. Even if you believe he’s done a good job tearing this thing down, a one or two-year contract with a mandate to ice a good team would be a much better play because if things aren’t working out, it would suck to either have the guy for four more years or pay him for two or three years that he’s not working for you.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jan 26, 2012 10:10 AM MST reply actions
What’s so strange about that? Isn’t this what we’ve come to expect from K.Lo? I’ll be surprised if Renney doesn’t get one last shot at coddling 3rd yr players.
Yep, KLowe likes to hand out longer term contracts even when its overkill. I wonder if the 4 year rumour is from KLowe and the 1-2 year rumour from Katz’s people? Perhaps Katz and Lowe are debating term through the press. Katz likes his boys on the bus and I am not sure he would outright over-rule is buddy Lowe
Smid didn’t even have to negotiate. He was happy with the Oilers initial offer.
Think about that for a second.
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Disagree with the writer. I’m not going to say every move Tambo has made has been pure genius, but this is a total teardown and there has never been anything else said to the contrary. All good and great teams have depth. This team had absolutely none when Tambellini started, and that is what he pledged to do. Draft well and build the farm for much needed depth. When the Oilers were rolling in October they had a full lineup and competed very well. However, injuries hit, like they do all teams inevitibly and they succumbed to them due to the lack of depth. True, any fool can pick Taylor Hall or RNH, but the day will come when the 2nd and 3rd rounders and other accumulated picks will help carry the day. Unfortunatly these players are not ready yet. The farm team has been a success this year, but it’s still at ground level. Another year of two of seasoning, and some of these players/and or coaches will then be capable of helping out. I’d give Tambellini another year to see where this is at before pulling a plug.
this is a total teardown and there has never been anything else said to the contrary
After two years of failure it was a “total teardown”, not from day one.
This team had absolutely none when Tambellini started
Really? at the blue line comparison above and tell me there was no depth.
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He actually said a lot to the contrary in the summer of 2009. That’s why he tried to acquire Dany Healtey, why he did acquire Nikolai Khabibulin, and why he hired Pat Quinn as head coach. He was trying to build a winner, and he failed.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jan 26, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Absolutely, no team adds Khabibulin and tries to add Heatley if they think they are about to rebuild. They accidentally tanked that year through incompetence and then made a virtue out of necessity. Sadly, too many people have bought this shit.
by Yeti# on Jan 26, 2012 11:24 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Remember the part where they spent to the cap in 2009-10?
Man, that was a hell of a tear-down.
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Nothing was said to the contrary…besides Renney saying the team was going to make the playoffs last year (nope) and Tambellini saying they’d do it this year (nope again).
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Too Early to Judge Tambo
It really is. It is a re-build. This implies fileding a young team who will get lots of ice time and lots of opportunity to succeed and fail. Perhaps the team was architected to fail the last couple of seasons, perhaps Tambo truly is an idiot who thinks Cam Barker is a Norris trophy candidate, we may never know.
But in ST’s defense, he hasn’t made any eggregious gaffe’s that merit him being hung in Winston Churchill square, Benito Mussolini-style. He hasn’t traded away any of the young core for quick fixes, none of the big money contracts that he’s handed out will impair our ability to retain that talent – and in that vain I applaud him for sticking to the plan.
IMO, it makes no sense to simply aspire toward mediocrity … a playoff entry and a prayer. I prefer the team to aspire to greatness, which implies a certain degree (okay a high degree) of sacrifice in the short term.
Outside of draft picks what has Tambellini done to justify an extension? Look at the players that were brought in and what they were supposed to do, that gaps they were supposed to fill; have they lived up to expectations? Almost across the board the answer is no, so why keep him around? His track record speaks for itself.
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It’s too early to call the rebuild a failure, but it’s not too early to judge Steve Tambellini. His work from July 2008 to December 2010 speaks to his ability to add intelligently in order to build a winner.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jan 26, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
He’s wasted two of the cost-controlled years of Hall and Eberle’s career, and one of them for Nugent-Hopkins. If the plan was to build a team around young, high-draft pick superstars, and add supporting pieces around them, that’s a funny way of going about it.
Aspiring to mediocrity would be an overacheivement for Tambo.
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Great. Your defence of Tambo is that he’s done good things, just that his mistakes haven’t been ones that will last. Fine. We can call him ‘Mr. Mediocre’ if you like. Vanilla average. Now sack him and get someone in who knows what they are doing and actually inspires confidence that they can build a winner. The ‘he hasn’t really fucked up that badly’ argument is poor.
Yeah, I don’t disagree – Tambi hasn’t done anything particularly remarkable beyond stick with the plan. But the plan was ballsy and I’m glad he has committed to it.
But let’s not make him out to be the 2nd coming of Mike Milbury. Assuming we draft top-5 again this year we’ll have the greatest collection of raw talent this organization has seen in about two decades. The tried big game hunting – it didn’t work. They’re now trying to acquire elite talent through the draft, and despite the pain it seems to be a very novel plan.
Some people might’ve deviated from the plan sooner. Some people might’ve thrown their wad a James Wisniewski or traded a first round pick for Semyon Varlamov. Those would’ve been career-limiting moves, IMO.
I’m not really sure what your expectations are of the General Manager. Do you want him to turn chicken shit into chicken salad, or are you willing to take the long view and realize that nobody turns into the Detroit Red Wings overnight. The man needs to begin making bold moves, perhaps as early as next week. Personally I’ll be judging him on how he turns an extremely young lottery team into a playoff contender – that is a transition I expect to occur fairly rapidly.
I would give him a one-year extension. In ‘12-’13 we make the playoffs without trading any young players or draft picks. Get it done, or don’t expect to be here come 2014.
by John Chambers on Jan 26, 2012 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
The problem with the “chicken shit to chicken salad” analogy, is that Tambellini is the one who created the chicken shit in the first place.
That analogy only applies to the coaches who Toonces has force fed shit to the last few seasons. MacT deserved better.
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by proxy on Jan 26, 2012 4:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
we’ll have the greatest collection of raw talent this organization has seen in about two decades.
I agree, but now hire someone who aspires confidence that they can make the ballsy moves to surround that core talent with the necessary supporting parts for them to succeed. Tambellini has a very dubious record on this. Despite constant ‘assessing’ I have little faith in his assessments.
by Yeti# on Jan 26, 2012 8:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Tambi hasn’t done anything particularly remarkable beyond stick with the plan. But the plan was ballsy and I’m glad he has committed to it.
It wasn’t a plan. He spent to the cap and finished last. He got Hall through sheer incompetence. He started the year with three goaltenders on the NHL roster. Think about how insanely stupid this is.
In the process of finishing last, he alienated Souray and was stuck paying him 4.5 million to play in the AHL and significantly weakened his defense and had no idea how to fix it. Shortly thereafter, he overpaid Gilbert Brule by ~75% and then fired the coach he hired just a year before and lied about what he told Quinn.
That same summer he almost missed qualifying Hartikainen and would have if I hadn’t alerted Olczyk to just how bad they are at understanding the CBA/Transfer agreement.
The man has shown time and time again that he’s completely incompetent.
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That same summer he almost missed qualifying Hartikainen and would have if I hadn’t alerted Olczyk to just how bad they are at understanding the CBA/Transfer agreement.
Wait, what?
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So, indirectly then?
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Perhaps the team was architected to fail the last couple of seasons
I’ve commented a number of times that this may be what’s really happening behind the scenes with Katz, Lowe and Tambi. Just for the record, it’s a joke, a pie in the sky/unicorns shitting rainbows way of explaining the ridiculous decisions this group has made.
It is time to clean house.
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by Joe Girth on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec’d for the phrase “unicorns shitting rainbows.”
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Same here
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Then Renney and Tambellini probably shouldn’t say that the team is going to make the playoffs.
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Renney and Tambi saying that the Oilers will make the playoffs is kind of like the fans in Toronto saying the Maple Leafs are going to win the Cup sometime this century. It sounds nice but everyone knows it’s not gonna happen.
by gvblackhawk on Jan 27, 2012 1:22 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't See What the Problem Is
Gilbert, Visnovsky, Grebeshkov, Souray, Smid, Staios, Strudwick
To the group we have today:
Gilbert, Smid, Potter, Sutton, Petry, Peckham, Whitney, Barker
You really think group A is that much better than group B? Gilbert and Smid are in both groups, VIsnovsky for Whitney was fine. Both were good last year, are bad this year, and have a few years left. Whitney has ankle issues but is younger. Visnovsky has shoulder issues. Souray, well, what the hell was that all about? Can’t say who is to blame for that whole turn of events, but at the time would you not have taken say Petry and Potter for Souray? Seems understandable. Staios and Strudwick were no better than Sutton and Barker.
Also, what exactly do any of you think Tambellini should have done? Only a fool makes changes to any organization in year one. In years two and three they’ve amasses arguably the best draft prospect pool of any team over the same time period. If not the best, then close to it. You think they should have held on to Moreau and Pisani? Or Nilson and O’Sullivan? What assets do you wish they’d traded to get new players in? Draft picks were the only ones they had, and given the record, would not have been good to give up. Free agents? Who’s been available? And of them, who would have gone to Edmonton? And of them, who did they not pursue?
It’s much more useful if you can actually argue specifics rather than generalities.
Can’t say who is to blame for that whole turn of events, but at the time would you not have taken say Petry and Potter for Souray?
Petry was drafted by the Oilers, Potter was a free agent pickup. There is no reason we couldn’t have all three and a little more depth at the same time.
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Visnovsky was the better player when the trade was made and still is.
The whole Souray fiasco was handled brutally by the organization, and who on earth would choose Petry and Potter over Souray? What a terrible trade off.
Staios and Strudwick may not be better than Sutton and Barker, but atleast no one claimed Strudwick and Staios were 2nd matchup quality like everyone is suddenly claiming about Barker now.
Basically, if you believe the defensive corps now is remotely equal to the defense when Tambo first came in, there is absolutely no sense in discussing this further.
By far the best comment here and it has gone without adequate response. Im not one to say that Tambellini is perfect or even the best man for the job, but I have a hard time seeing what options anyone at the helm had that weren’t pursued. It isn’t Tambellini’s fault that this organization had no depth and lacked a quality minor league system. He came in and tried to squeeze blood from a stone and failed, just as anyone would have. The course of events that followed were inevitable. So far he’s repaired the farm and stocked the cupboards which is where it all starts for any good, sustainable rebuild. I’m not saying he deserves a ten year extension, but I think calling him a complete failure is premature. I think people underestimate how much influence enthusiastic owners have in decision making. See: Kovalchuk in NJ, Terry Pegula, Oren Koules and Len Barrie, and quite probably Khabibulin and Heatley in Edmonton
by Jerconjake on Jan 26, 2012 5:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
This a team has a very rich and successful owner, a great pool of emerging talent, a ‘spend to the cap’ philosophy. If you’re telling me that the best GM that this team can have is someone who – in your words – “hasn’t been a complete failure” then please go ahead and renew his contract. Another two years of ‘not being a complete failure’ will close the door on this rebuild. That isn’t an acceptable level of performance.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. My point was that enthusiastic owners tend to meddle and sometimes make things worse, especially when it’s a “spend more to get better” type decision.
Also, my words were: “calling him a complete failure is premature,” which is what the article implied. That’s much different than me saying he has been a failure, but not a complete failure, which is what you implied that I said.
I’m curious what you or anyone would have done differently. I don’t mean that to be a challenge to you or a defense of Tambellini; I’m honestly just curious. He’s made mistakes, but in what ways has he torpedoed the rebuild?
In years two and three they’ve amasses arguably the best draft prospect pool of any team over the same time period.
…because they finished last through their own incompetence.
You need to finish the sentence.
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You really think group A is that much better than group B?
It’s not close.
Visnovsky was and still is better than Whitney
Souray was and still is better than anyone else other than Gilbert.
Grebeshkov is light years ahead of everyone else.
Only a fool makes changes to any organization in year one.

Damn fool.
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by Derek Zona on Jan 26, 2012 9:26 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Hannan was available for about $1M and signed in Alberta. Is it so unreasonable to think he would have come to Edmonton if asked or of they threw a little more money his way? There was a good chance Calgary was going to crater this year, so even the arguement that “calgary is a playoff team and Edmonton isn’t” wouldn’t hold water.
That’s just one example. Let’s try another. Signing Hunter Tremblay, who has zero shot at playing in the NHL to an NHL contract rather than an AHL contract and burning a contract spot that could have been used on FAs or waiver wire pick ups like Ty Wishart is bad management. Wishart would be a far better option to have around than Chorney.
There are more examples, but I don’t want to waste the time on looking them up…
It’s really important to note that the window on a rebuild shuts quickly under this CBA and it’s more likely to get worse under the next one than get better.
Forget everything you know about Ottawa or the Nords – this CBA does not allow teams to keep a core group of players that took them 5-7 yrs to acquire.
The Oilers have crucial decisions to make starting with this deadline and then it is absolutely imperative that they look to be competitive next year. They must position themselves for these ELCs which end after next year. Given his deplorable track record, I can’t see why any Oilers fan would want Tambo with his finger on the button. We’re talking about real decisions to be made this time, not just how much to suck or in what fashion.
by RiversQ on Jan 26, 2012 10:56 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions 6 recs
Your Three moves for Tambo?
3.Getting Ryan Smyth.
Should read:
3. Smyth trading himself back to Edmonton.
by DarrenV on Jan 26, 2012 11:24 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Red lights should have started flashing immediately when the Canucks passed over a guy with 18 years in the organization to hire Mike Gillis as their general manager, but alas it didn’t and the Oilers were extremely happy to bring him into the fold.
True. Don’t forget that he was passed over as GM when Burke left VAN. And not long after, he interviewed for the Dallas GM post and was passed over as well.
IIRC, there was at least one time when the Canucks sent him out to help Hockey Canada with the WHC before their season was over. Hmmm….
My initial reaction when he first got hired was 1) “was there actually any due process in the GM search?”, and 2) “we just got ourselves a repeated reject”
Accountability
Hmm… Does anyone remember this?
Daryl Katz, the local pharmacy billionaire expected to be approved as the new owner of the Edmonton Oilers, promised Wednesday to be a hands-on executive who will demand minimal bureaucracy and maximum accountability."
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=352537
What happened to that Mr. Katz?
by sablue82 on Jan 26, 2012 12:05 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Nice one. If he re=signs Tambo, then his definition of maximum accountability is a lot looser then mine. I wonder if Katz Group is hiring?
The new Rexall pharmacy by my house is. Maybe Tambi can go work there as a janitor so he can learn how to clean up a mess?
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by Passive Voice on Jan 26, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions 8 recs
Don’t forget the Brule contract madness. Every damned writer in the ‘sphere warned the team about Brule’s shooting percentage and dependency on Penner. It didn’t take microstats to figure out the shooting percentage thing and he still threw him a deal about 80% over market.
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Good post.
But if you get rid of Tambellini, who do you replace him with?
Are there better people available to take over? I don’t want to be stuck and find there aren’t better people out there or a mess like Montreal.
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