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Playing in the Offensive Zone

If only it was always this easy.

In the last several weeks, Derek has used something called "zone-start adjusted Corsi" to help us in our evaluation of players and coaches. As with so many of the helpful statistics kicking around, the methodology goes back to (I believe) Vic Ferrari and JLikens. Both are very smart cookies to whom we're all indebted for our better understanding of the game of hockey. Anyroad, when it comes to the Oilers, these adjustments haven't generally been very flattering with regard to the Oilers' young players. That got me thinking about whether or not this adjustment is fair for players at the extremes, and I decided that it might be helpful to compare these young Oilers to other players who have played in a similar role in one of the last five seasons.

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So what counts as a similar role? I started with position, so we'll only be looking at forwards here. I then moved on to zone-start, and plucked all of the players with at least 60% of their end-zone starts in the offensive zone in a given season (min. of 40 games except for 2011-12 which had a min. of 20 games). I quickly realized that included a whole lot of plugs and fourth liners, and that's not the role that Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall, and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins have been playing. As such, I also made sure that all qualifying players received at least 12 minutes of five-on-five ice time per game. That makes for guys playing in the top six or top nine depending on how the coach runs his bench. With that criteria I was left with 61 qualifying player seasons, and that seemed like a good place to stop. So are all of these guys battered by the adjustment?

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Nope. The average shows a positive adjusted Corsi, so even after letting the air out, these players are generally able to move the puck forward. Among the trio of Oilers, just Taylor Hall comes out above the average. Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins, by contrast, have a long way to go to catch up with their peers.

Another interesting note is the presence of Tom Renney on this list, both with the Oilers this year, and with the Rangers in 2007-08 and 2008-09. If Tom Renney is here for the long run, this strategy of pushing certain players with highly favorable zone starts is probably something we can expect to see going forward.

The other column I decided to include is points/60 because there are some interesting results. Evgeni Malkin, for example, got decimated in terms of possession in 2008-09, but scored a boatload of points. Johan Franzen was the opposite in 2007-08, doing very well on the shot clock but with nothing to show for it on the scoreboard. After running a quick correlation between adjusted Corsi/60 and points/60, I found that, in these 61 player seasons, there's actually a very slight negative correlation (-0.09). Another quick calculation reveals that the correlation between offensive zone starting percentage and points/60 (again, in just these 61 player seasons) is robustly positive (0.43).

This is odd. The most likely explanation, to me, is that there's a sample size issue. Because of the criteria I decided on, the zone start range isn't even that large, so I wasn't expecting such a strong correlation, and we know that there is a strong correlation between Corsi and zone time, so it doesn't make much sense to have a negative correlation between scoring (which usually takes place in the offensive zone!) and Corsi. With a larger sample, I expect that we'd see Corsi and points come together given that the majority of goals are scored in the offensive zone. Still, it's an interesting little twist.

Of course, it's an interesting little twist that saves Eberle more than it saves Nugent-Hopkins, who's below-average in that category too (despite having the 12th easiest zone start percentage even in this sample). He's obviously being compared to some pretty darn good offensive players, but it just goes to show that, as fun as he's been to watch so far this season, there's still plenty of room for him to improve.

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In RNHs defense;

His is one of only 6 rookie seasons on this list, and the only one of which as an 18 year old.

Also an interesting note, i would guess (because im too lazy to check myself) that the 3 Oilers (and Brassard) are the only ones on non-playoff teams.

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by VanillaAcid on Jan 12, 2012 6:35 PM MST reply actions  

The whole point of the exercise was to try and defend RNH.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 12, 2012 6:45 PM MST up reply actions  

There are some other non-playoff teams mixed in (the Lightning in 2007-08 and 2008-09, the Leafs), but I do think the rookie point is a good one. Nugent-Hopkins isn’t a finished product, and he’ll get better, so we have that to look forward to. But there are some folks talking like he’s the best or second-best player on the team right now, and that just doesn’t seem to be the case.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jan 13, 2012 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I would imagine that the young Oilers listed above are playing in front of the worst defensive corps of anybody in the sample. That’s not exactly Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, and Campbell that are lining up on the point behind them, even when they do start in the o-zone.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

One of the worst, no doubt (though those Lightning teams might give them a run).

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by Scott Reynolds on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

As someone chided me just yesterday, context is critical, especially when sample sizes are small.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 13, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Weird night in the NHL. Lombardi appologizes to the Oilers for his comments after the Smyth-Fraser trade and Cammalleri gets pulled from the Bruins game for a quick trade (according to TSN)?

Now that LA and EDM have kissed and made up, how long before Penner is traded back to Edmonton with Voynov for Hemsky and Peckham?

by gcw_rocks on Jan 12, 2012 7:45 PM MST reply actions  

Crazy, maybe we can trade Hemsky for Crosby after all.

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by OilLeak on Jan 12, 2012 8:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Man, that Lombardi appology has me thinking the Oilers and LA are gonna deal again…

by gcw_rocks on Jan 12, 2012 9:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe Penner for a 7th rounder and some cash?

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by OilLeak on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Can’t trade cash anymore. I do see 2 options with LA

1) Salary dump of Penner for some spare part like Petrell
2) A winger for Voynov, Hickey or Forbort.

Voynov is the most NHL ready and Forbort probably has the most upside, so Tambo will of course deal for Hickey.

by gcw_rocks on Jan 12, 2012 10:55 PM MST up reply actions  

It was supposed to a slight jab at the Smyth trade as the settlement for Colin Fraser was cash for the medical expenses.

The Edmonton Oilers, keeping opposition fans happy for the last 6 years

by OilLeak on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Also, Brownlee just posted an article on this very topic:

http://oilersnation.com/2012/1/12/armchair-gm-xiv-lets-talk-hemsky

The Edmonton Oilers, keeping opposition fans happy for the last 6 years

by OilLeak on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 PM MST up reply actions  

So, then should the Oilers send him back to Junior with a list of things to work on and delay his free agency 1 year?

by gcw_rocks on Jan 12, 2012 8:20 PM MST reply actions  

I think a trade might be better for both parties.

by Yeti# on Jan 13, 2012 6:36 AM MST up reply actions  

I am referring to RNH. If he plays less than 40 games (I beleive its calculated based on games played), this season does not count towards him becoming a free agent (even though it burns a year of his ELC). So he would become a FA at 26 rather than 25.

If the Oilers are going to stink out the joint, and RNH’s game has serious holes, there should at least be a dialogue as to whether sending him back to junior is in the team’s best interest. As I noted back in October, the fuss over the “game 10 decision” was actually the least important of the two considerations (ELC vs eligible for FA)

by gcw_rocks on Jan 13, 2012 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

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