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Roundtable Question: Which Rookie Will Become A Regular?

It's been forever and a day since the Oilers weren't relying on rookies to start too early and do too much.  This year will be no different.  Though Jeff Petry technically isn't a rookie, he's only got 35 games under his belt.  It's likely that he'll see significant playing time this season and with an injury or two, he's going to see tough minutes.  

Though Petry's not Calder eligible, the Oilers have a variety of players who are and many of them may well play 30-50 games in 2011-12.  Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, the man the franchise is treating like a bonus baby; Anton Lander, the Swedish version of Bob Gainey; Teemu Hartikainen, the plowhorse that can't be held back; Alex Plante, the former first-round pick and Colten Teubert, the return on Dustin Penner.

Today we probe the panel to find out which Calder-eligible prospect will make the team as a regular.

Our lineup this time includes Pat, from Black Dog Hates Skunks, the blogosphere's version of David Mamet, Jeff Chapman, the big brain behind Oil On Whyte, Shepso and BCB, the philosopher kings from Bringing Back The Glory, Jerconjake, the insightful man behind Oil Acumen, Smokin' Ray, the only man covering the Oilers, Barons and Thunder and he does it all at Oilers Jambalaya, dawgbone98, 'sphere regular and resident lacrosse and hockey tactics expert, and sumoil, Copper & Blue's resident CHL tracker, the only man breaking down the top CHL prospects through detailed statistical tracking.

Today's Roundtable Question:  Which player with less than thirty NHL regular season games will play the most for the Oilers this season?

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Smokin' Ray:  I would have to say Ryan Nugent-Hopkins will play the most. Since the team is basically set, the only real rookie that could make the team is RNH. I'd bet he plays at least 60 games.

Now if we were talking about a 35 game guy, then that would include Jeff Petry. He doesn't really count for this question, but I can see him staying here for the season.

BCB:  Anton Lander. He is the only player on our list; since both Chorney and Petry have played more thirty games and Hartikainen is buried deep under the depth of veteran left-wingers.

Shepso:  Agreed, Lander is the only one. The wings are too loaded for Harski to catch a break this year. If it ends up being O’Marra or VV, then it means another tank job, and I am so sick of watching suck.

Dawgbone:  I'm hopeful it's either Harksi or Lander. That would mean Hopkins spends another season in the WHL and that our blueline is healthy (and good enough????) to not need a guy like Teubert, Chorney or Plante to do it. If it's anyone other than those two (or RNH), that means this team got decimated by injuries.

SumOil:  I think it’s a toss up between Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Anton Lander. If Nugent-Hopkins stays then its him for obvious reasons. However, if he is sent back, then my bet is on Lander. I expect Gilbert Brule to take over the 4th line center role once Nugent-Hopkins is sent down. Then I expect Brule to get injured and Chris Vandevelde to be called up. However Vandevelde will end up being ineffective and next option will be Lander who should be getting rave reviews from the Oklahoma City media/coaches for his steady and smart play.

BDHS Pat:  Oh good one. Depends on Nugent Hopkins. If he stays up then its him. If not then its Hartikainen. I’m thinking Nugent Hopkins stays.

Jeff Chapman:  I really wanted to pick a defenceman. My first two guesses on the blue have just over thirty games in the NHL, and unless all hell breaks loose again, I don't think Colten Teubert sees the light of day in Edmonton this season. I'm going to guess Hartikainen will get the first (and possibly, longest) call-up if something funky happens on the wing.

Jerconjake:  Ryan Nugent-Hopkins


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I think Petry is the reason Derek set the bar at 30 games! Or else it would be too easy

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by SumOil on Sep 21, 2011 12:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Teubert sitting out a few more days with “concussion-like symptoms”, Tencer tweets. So no, it won’t be him. Colten sabotaged the big training camp he prepared for so hard this summer, by getting in a stupid useless fight in the first pre-preseason game. Not to mention, by losing said fight convincingly.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 21, 2011 1:00 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Well it’s a good thing we drafted Adam Larsson and no longer have to rely on all these half assed defensive prosp…. oh wait, shit.

I'm an Oilers fan and I haven't had surgery in weeks, HOORAY!!

by Joe Girth on Sep 21, 2011 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

If/ when Gagner and Horc go down with injury, you will be glad we drafted a center :P

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by SumOil on Sep 21, 2011 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lol I am actually, I was big on Larsson because they still have not made any moves to really address the lack of top 4 D-men, I just couldn’t resist the comment.

I'm an Oilers fan and I haven't had surgery in weeks, HOORAY!!

by Joe Girth on Sep 21, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’ll be in Red Deer (hopefully) by then so he won’t be any help.

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by ryanbatty on Sep 21, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why are you hoping he fails to make the team?

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 21, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just think it’s better for the team in the long run if he plays in Red Deer this season.

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by ryanbatty on Sep 21, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed, too many bodies right now and I don’t think it would hurt him one bit to go down and dominate plus play in the worlds. If there are injuries at center, call Lander, at wing call Harski. Now if you can make a good hockey trade with a center + for a top 4 RH D-man then RNH should be up all year.

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by Joe Girth on Sep 21, 2011 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why? If he can play now, I am not saying he is NHL ready (he does look it though) why not play him this year, let him get the wrinkles out and look for him to be that #1 starting next year after an NHL season under his belt.

I understand if he isn’t ready but if he shows he can hold his own he doesn’t have to score 70 points even 40 while playing a solid two way game and learning the NHL would be a successful rookie year and benefit the team as early as next year.

by Tanman37 on Sep 21, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who does he displace in the lineup if he’s merely “good enough to be in the NHL”?

Where does RNH slot in with Horcoff, Gagner & Belanger? What if Lander is better right now, do you keep RNH up just for the sake of keeping him up?

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by dawgbone98 on Sep 21, 2011 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m still not sure how “nothing left to prove” fits in this year.

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by Derek Zona on Sep 21, 2011 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well first off you don’t, if those four are better then obviously they would be the better choice and let RNH play in the dub this year. But if he is clearly ready for the NHL and helps the Oilers then he plays with the team it’s pretty simple.

Lander can play 20 games in the AHL and get used to the North American game and when Horcoff gets hurt he can get called up.

by Tanman37 on Sep 23, 2011 2:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

From a team perspective I want him returned to Red Deer. We’re jamming a ton of prospects through the door all at once burning up value years on ELCs like they don’t even matter. Put him back in the minors and bring him here next season, it’d be better for the team in the long run.

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by ryanbatty on Sep 22, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

I would agree because I would love to see him light up the WHL and play world juniors but if the Oilers are serious about competing this year and he clearly helps them do that he has to stay no matter the ELC, long run it might be better but who knows, Stamkos looked like he was in over his head then ends on a tear and rips it up the next year, its tough to say how each kid is going to develop.

by Tanman37 on Sep 23, 2011 2:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

If the Oilers were serious about competing this season they would have added depth in the offseason as opposed to pinning their hopes on an 18 year old kid.

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by ryanbatty on Sep 23, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I used to think that was best....

….but, it is very difficult to see him going down; the more I see this kid play!

He will take over #1 C and force Gagner to prove that he belongs. Colour me impressed so far!

by PerryK on Sep 22, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

RNH - Ready Now Hockey

I’ve got to say, after watching RNH in person last night, my fears about whether he was a good pick or NHL ready have all-but relinquished. He IS the real deal. He looked unbelievably comfortable for his first game as a pro, is a beast on the backcheck, and his line (doesn’t hurt playing with 14 and 94) created the most chances in my estimation. I know it’s only one game, but I’d say, based on what I saw, there’s no way he gets sent back to Red Deer. It would be of no benefit to him.

by Danny Grummett on Sep 21, 2011 3:34 PM MDT reply actions  

I’d say he passed the test last night, but it’s too early to compare him to Patrick Kane … since Patrick Kane wasn’t dressed. Each team was about half of an NHL squad at best. From my perspective I was relieved to see RNH imposing his game on this calibre of opposition, but I’m not quite prepared to say he’s proven what he needs to just yet.

I’m also not quite prepared to say “send him down” without having a real hard look at what he brings right now.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 21, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m more or less in the same boat, Bruce. Personally speaking, I’d still like to see RNH play another year in juniors simply because of the apparent depth we have down the middle right now. However, as preseason progresses and rosters get trimmed down, we should get a better idea of how he stacks up against real NHL competition. If he continues to impose his game as you say, the case will get stronger to keep him up.

by TakeoutArtist on Sep 22, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

RNH, no doubt about it. Whether or not it’s the correct decision to keep him is irrelevant. It would take quite a bit of character, and even more balls to send the first overall back to junior.

by CDA on Sep 21, 2011 5:58 PM MDT reply actions  

give RNH some more time (at WHL) and more muscle. The NHL is a hard show.

Petry as call up guy. Would be gratifying to see a couple of rookie defenders in the team. For 5-9 games, Teubert, Fedun and perhaps even Marincin.

by Screaming69 on Sep 21, 2011 11:49 PM MDT reply actions  

I’ll go out on a limb and guess my favorite aunt…..Tyrvainainen

by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Sep 22, 2011 12:38 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

oh yes please, some fins

by Screaming69 on Sep 22, 2011 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Finns = Wins

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 22, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the artice. This post seems like a perfect excuse to give an status update on Hartikainen and state why he might just make it to the NHL this season. Some of these observations are based on my previous studies of sports medicine at university level in Finland. Some of the information is provided by close sources and training matches I’ve personally witnessed.

Teemu maintained his hockey touch in summertime by playing for the local inline hockey team Vuorelan Veikot. He changed his training regime more towards high-intensity speed strength methods while concentrating in developing better endurance at the same time. This includes longer runs, badminton, tennis and of course a lot of gym exercises, especially squats and such. Far less emphasis on hands and other smaller muscle groups which tend to get the benefits of exercise vicariously through bigger moves. A certain Teemu Selänne uses these methods in his summer training (not this past summer though, because of the knee operation he had.)

The training camp games and practises with Teemu’s ex club in Finland, KalPa, were promising indeed. He has lost some 15 pounds of weight, totaling in around 207. I think I’m not too far off stating that his body fat percentage is pretty close to 10%. He looks extremely ripped in his current condition and the duo of Teemu and Iiro Pakarinen (who was introduced in this older article: Iiro Pakarinen – Oilers Draft Watch ) used each other as pacemakers during the short summer. It definitely added some positive spin to Iiro’s game too, he’s just full of energy and confidence.

Too bad I didn’t have a chance to see Teemu in action at the Joey Moss Cup games. From what I’ve read, he did just fine?

Can’t wait for the season to start (both Barons and Oilers.) I have a hunch that this is the season Teemu starts to rock earlier than ever before.

by Waker on Sep 22, 2011 1:56 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

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