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Roundtable Question: Offensive Expectations

The Edmonton Oilers have scored 641 goals over the last three seasons, good for 27th in the NHL over that span. They've scored 156 power play goals over that same time period, good for 22nd in the NHL. The only Oiler to score 30 goals in a season over the last four seasons is Dustin Penner in 09-10. Since the Stanley Cup run of '06, only Ales Hemsky (x2) and Dustin Penner have cracked 60 points.

Outside of Penner and Hemsky, the only thing offensive about the Oilers has been their defense as Sheldon Souray, Tom Gilbert and Ryan Whitney have all produced above average offensive seasons, especially considering the terrible offensive teams they've played for.

Our question today focuses on offensive expectations in 2011-12.

Our lineup this time includes Pat, from Black Dog Hates Skunks, the blogosphere's version of David Mamet, Jeff Chapman, the big brain behind Oil On Whyte, Shepso and BCB, the philosopher kings from Bringing Back The Glory, Jerconjake, the insightful man behind Oil Acumen, Smokin' Ray, the only man covering the Oilers, Barons and Thunder and he does it all at Oilers Jambalaya, dawgbone98, 'sphere regular and resident lacrosse and hockey tactics expert, and sumoil, Copper & Blue's resident CHL tracker, the only man breaking down the top CHL prospects through detailed statistical tracking.

Today's Roundtable Question:  Which Oilers will score at least forty points? Who will get the most?

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Jerconjake:  Hall, Hemsky, Gagner, Paajarvi, Eberle, Smyth and Whitney will crack the 40 point plateau; provided that each stays relatively healthy. Taylor Hall has Hemsky or Eberle on the opposite wing, which means he'll rack up a load of points. It works both ways, which is why it's tempting to pick Hemsky to lead the team in scoring, but at 35 Ryan Smyth is not quite the same linemate that he once was. Hall will lead the way.

Smokin' Ray:  Hmmm... Kind of a tough question. This really depends on injuries. For this, I'll pretend nobody gets hurt this year.  The guys who will get 40 points or more will be Hall, Hemsky, Smyth, Whitney, Barker, Gilbert, Eberle, Gagner and Horcoff.

Paajarvi and Omark (if he stays here for the full season) will come close to reaching 40. Let's hope no injuries happen and all these 40 point guys get the team close to the playoffs.

BCB:  Hemsky will be the Oilers’ point leader. Yes; I am claiming a man that I will think will spend 25 games on the IR, but I do think that Hemsky will finally be over a point-per-game player and end up with just under 70 pts. If Hemsky gets that many points then these others will have over 40 points: Horcoff, Eberle, Hall, Smyth, Paarjavi, Omark, and the Nuge.

Shepso:  Brendan, you’re insane. That’s too many players getting that many points. That’s basically saying the team will score something like 30 more goals collectively this year. Also, the Nuge will not be amongst the players to produce that well. I am hoping and praying that he goes down to Dead Deer for another season, plays lights out and leads Canada to "Tournament of Small Sample Size" glory on Rexall ice. Hemmer, Gags and Hall will all be in and around 50-55 points, Eberle will be close, Smyth and the Swedes will hover around 40. There’s just no way Hemmer is going to be healthy long enough to get in the high 60s, but I hope I am forced to eat these words. Furthermore, many of the points Hemsky will get won’t come in an Oilers uniform.

Dawgbone:  Geez I hate these. The Oilers could have as many as 7 or 8 forwards and 2 defensemen score 40 depending on who is healthy (and who doesn’t get traded). But for the sake of all you putting money on my picks (pro tip: Don’t):

Hemsky 74 (21 goals)
Hall 65 (30 goals)
Eberle 61 (25 goals)
Smyth 54 (26 goals)
Gagner 53 (19 goals)
Horcoff 42 (15 goals)
Whitney 40 (8 goals)

So pretty much everyone in the top 6 will crack 40 points. Last year the Oilers had 4 players over 40 points and 1 player with 39 points, but none of them played 70 games. I expect an increase in the total number of goals for (let’s say 210 non-shootout goals), so this fits in well with this (the remaining roster needs to score 66 goals, which is pretty reasonable for the remaining players on the roster.

If you are looking at a comparable, it would be Toronto. Last year they had 4 forwards who bested 40 points as well as another D and another F who were on pace to beat it before being traded. They scored 213 goals (218 – 5 shootout) last year and this is the target I have for the Oilers, assuming they can stay healthy.

SumOil:  My money is on Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Smyth, Gagner. Paajarvi should be close, but I doubt he hits 40, unless he essentially replaces Smyth from one of the feature lines. Paajarvi and Omark will impress us with their skill and creativity with the puck, however I don’t see us being that strong a team to have six or more 40 point players on one team. Their time will come but not next season.

BDHS Pat:  Well it all depends on health – if the following guys stay healthy I expect them all to hit forty points – Hemsky, Smyth, Hall, Eberle, Gagner. For that matter Horcoff, Belanger and Omark all could in the right set of circumstances. Whichever centre playing with Smyth and Hemsky or Hall and Eberle will likely score at least forty I would think. If Hemsky gets moved and Omark or Paajarvi gets a top six role and PP time then he could as well. As for top scorer I would say Hemsky except a) he may not be healthy enough and b) he is likely a goner so I will say Hall

Jeff Chapman:  If everyone on this list plays eighty games, I've got eight. Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Shawn Horcoff, Magnus Paajarvi, Ryan Smyth, Ales Hemsky, Eric Belanger and Linus Omark. It's not the offence I'm worried about on this team. It's the other two positions that I'm slightly concerned with. If Hemsky lasts the entire season with Edmonton, I've got him at the top of the scoring at the end of the year.


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Well to answer this question, I saw that Vancouver had six 40+ point scorers. San Jose had 8. Philly had 8 and the Hawks had 7.
So I thought that no way can Oilers have 7 40 point scorers and even 6 looks kind of dicey. Hence my estimate looks more conservative than the others.

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by SumOil on Sep 20, 2011 12:00 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

even if we project the Oilers to score around 225 goals, 5 teams in the nhl scored between 220 and 230 goals – Dallas, Colorado, Atlanta, NYI and Capitals. The number of 40 point scorers on each team was 5,5,6,6 and 5 respectively. So I dont see Oilers topping that number.
If I were to add a 6th guy to my list, it would be close race between the sweded and Whitney assuming he is healthy.

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by SumOil on Sep 20, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

But at the same time:

Atlanta had 6 with one more at 39 points (218 GF)

Columbus had 5 with one more on pace (210 GF)

Minnesota had 4 with 2 more on pace (203 GF)

Los Angeles had 7 (209 GF)

Having a list of 7 isn’t unreasonable… it’s just unreasonable when you are expecting 3 or more guys also having 70+ points.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Sep 20, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Its not unreasonable at all, but after the excercise at ON regarding point prediction last season, I learnt that pessimism wins haha

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by SumOil on Sep 20, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s what I’m talking about. You aren’t going to get 8+ 40 point scorers while also predicting 4 guys to beat 60 points.

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by dawgbone98 on Sep 20, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

The guys who will get 40 points or more will be Hall, Hemsky, Smyth, Whitney, Barker, Gilbert, Eberle, Gagner and Horcoff.

Hey Derek, I did nto know you were including Steve Tambeliini in our Roundtable Conf, :P

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by SumOil on Sep 20, 2011 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Insanity

You are all clearly affected by some collective insanity. I’ve heard of optimists, but sweet electric moses, you people take the cake!

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by Derek Zona on Sep 20, 2011 12:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Bah! You’re just sore because no-one put Teemu on their list.

by Yeti# on Sep 20, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hemsky, Hall, Eberle, Gagner, Omark, and Paajarvi will all get 40 points and I don’t see that as being unreasonable. Omark was on pace for at least 40 points last year and Paajarvi should see a slight improvement as well. Other players that will be close to 40 points include Whitney(if healthy), Belanger, and Smyth. I don’t see Gilbert getting 40 points as I believe he will be babysitting an over matched defender while playing the toughs again this year.

If these 6 players don’t have 40 points, what does your list look like?

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by OilLeak on Sep 20, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

To make this happen on a bad team, you essentially need the perfect amount of health to get the really good players just up to 40 points and then get hurt and the middling players great health to play the extra minutes when the top guys go down to get up to 40 points.

5-6 is a possibility. 8 or 9 is crazytown

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by Derek Zona on Sep 20, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

8 or 9 players is crazytown, won’t happen, but I believe those 6 players will get it. Players will get hurt, Hemsky will be out for a minimum of 10-15 games due to various ailments, Horcoff is going block shots with his face, hands, Etc.

However, if Ryan Whitney misses up to half the season due to injuries I would need to revise my list from the above 6 to about to 4-5 players.

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by OilLeak on Sep 20, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

If RNH stays with the team for the year (jury still out on what the Oilers will do, hearing it both ways), then I doubt Horcoff gets 40 as he won’t see PP time ahead of RNH and Gagner.

Similarly Omark and PRV are in tough to get there if their spots on PP2 are taken by Smyth and Eberle (assuming 4,89,83 is 1PP)

Barker might actually be a better bet to get than than 91,10,23 as he will see PP1 time.

Even if RNH get cut, I’d keep 10 for PK2 and have 23 on PP2. Just gotta figure out who can take a draw out of 94,14,23

by Woodguy on Sep 20, 2011 3:12 PM MDT reply actions  

I think one of 23 or 91 (maybe both) will see a lot of PP time on the point this year.

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by dawgbone98 on Sep 20, 2011 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think one of 23 or 91 (maybe both) will see a lot of PP time on the point this year.

I think that’s a good idea.

Rather see 23 as he distributes the puck better.

Want to see both get PP time, but there is only so much to go around.

by Woodguy on Sep 20, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’d rather see Paajarvi on the penalty kill. He’s big, fast and can score.

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by Derek Zona on Sep 20, 2011 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

In JMC Omark was used on the PK. Never thought I would see that, ever.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 20, 2011 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think both swedes could work on the PK….They are both fast and skilled, of course MPS is naturally more defensive, but Omark’s puck retrieval is great and could be a choice on the PK.

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by SumOil on Sep 21, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, it just never occurred to me he would fit the type, but there’s no harm (in September) of giving him a look.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 21, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I never thought of Omark as a PKer either, but as you said, trying him there does no harm….try it out in a couple of games in the preseason and see how things go.

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by SumOil on Sep 21, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Barker? What are you smoking, Ray?

by sarcasticidealist on Sep 20, 2011 5:21 PM MDT reply actions  

Norris trophy, baby.

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by OilLeak on Sep 20, 2011 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

My bold prediction is that Barker will be more bark than bite.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 20, 2011 6:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Out on a limb, eh?

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by Derek Zona on Sep 20, 2011 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

His name tipped me off.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 21, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Surprised at the low expectations for RNH. Just one vote out of X?

In the 2000s, 8 forwards have been picked first overall, only OV didn’t play in NHL very next season (lockout) and only Nash failed to score 40 points in his rookie year. He scored 39.

Since the lockout the top forward picked in the draft has scored >40 points in NHL the next season 6 out of 6 years.

Not saying you’re wrong, just that it would definitely buck the trend.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 20, 2011 6:44 PM MDT reply actions  

That was a good piece. Taylor was right on pace for that (with a few more goals) when he got hurt in that stupid useless fight.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 21, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bruce I think its more to do with people not believing he will stay for the entire season. Also if he stays and Oilers are not doing well, there is a good chance he goes to WJC as well…So thts why most dont have RNH topping 40 this season.

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by SumOil on Sep 21, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m sure that’s so, and maybe he will be the first 1 OV F in decades to be sent back, all I’m saying is I’m a little surprised that it’s nearly unanimous among the respected voices here that he will be. The record suggests otherwise. Most 1 OV’s make the NHL right away. Most of them make real shitty teams, mind, but RNH is trying to make the Oilers, eh. Last time I checked they need help.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 21, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

But most of the times those players make teams who have no semblance of depth.
I am not saying Oilers are great, but unline Tavares with NYI/ Stamkos w TBL, RNH actually has 3 real NHL centers competing with him for minutes. Even if(most likely) RNH is given a role on one of the featured lines, he probably wont get the luxury of staying on those lines if he has a slow start or a slow period after a fast start. So if and when RNH does falter, he wont be given the minutes to ‘find his game back’.
I see RNH’s role sort of similar as that of Seguin with the Bruins. I am not saying we are as good as Bruins, but there is a fairly good competition for all spots and we do have many talented forwards in our top 9-sans RNH.

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by SumOil on Sep 21, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

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