Oilers 'B' Team Falls To Flames 'A' Team,
The Oilers sat Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Taylor Fedun and both of their ballyhooed goaltenders and sent out the B team + Anton Lander to face the Calgary Flames. Unsurprisingly, the hockey that resulted was less than crisp, and seemed more like a pick up game than real hockey. It was Penticton Young Stars, now with more firewagon!
Rather than break down the game play (and it was difficult because play-by-play man Gene Principe had zero interest in giving a play-by-play), I've decided to break the game down by line and pairing. If you are in desperate need of a recap, watch the full replay below or the highlights after the jump:
Phil Cornet, or Philippe Cornay, as Gene would call him, looked like a guy with a year of pro experience out there. He was bigger and a bit strong than most of his opponents and had little problems completing passes and reading the play. He may be ECHL bound with the crowding in Oklahoma City, but if he plays solid, efficient hockey and puts the puck on net, he may stick in OKC. He's certainly no stranger to shooting, but he passed on a couple of shots tonight in order to force the puck to...
Anton Lander showed once again why he doesn't belong at this camp. He's smarter and faster than almost everyone in the tournament and shows it in all three zones. He scored a beautiful goal in tight tonight and got the puck up in a hurry to avoid a low stick or a quick pad. He won faceoffs, checked hard and sold himself even more to the observers. He's becoming a golden boy.
Tobias Rieder has shown a wicked shot a couple of times in this series, but was over-shadowed by his two elders this evening. He played a complimentary role. However, given his skating ability and shot, I think the saw him good part of me has raised him up the rankings more than anyone else.
Tyler Pitlick had another outstanding game. Jonathan Willis commented that he thought Pitlick has looked rusty so far, but I countered that he's been outstanding defensively, especially on the forecheck and in transition. Against Calgary, he put his whole game together. He was still very good defensively, but he used his body more. His timing was better and of course, he displayed his heavy shot by scoring a one-timer from the slot. He also recovered from bobbling a puck along the boards to take a hit and slide a cross-ice pass to Martin Marincin for a goal, though just like last night, the official scorer seems to think it was unassisted. Bizarre. If Pitlick can stay healthy, he should have a very big year in the WHL.
I noticed Curtis Hamilton without looking for him on two separate occasions, both times streaking back through the neutral zone in a furious backcheck. Hamilton's offense might not ever translate to the NHL, but I think he's the kind of player who will play the toughs, move the puck in the right direction and have excellent underlying stats. If you think that sounds like Fernando Pisani, that's exactly who Hamilton reminds me of.
Antti Tyrvainen dropped the gloves early, forechecked like a mad Finn, and hit everyone. Gene Principe went out of his way to talk about how Finns aren't normally known for being tough and gritty, but Tyrvainen is. I was apoplectic until I realized that Gene doesn't understand that a player can be gritty and tough without fighting, and just because Finns don't typically fight doesn't mean they aren't gritty. For Pete's sake, look at the Finns who have come through the league. Tyrvainen is going to be a fan-favorite in Oklahoma City, and I suspect he's going to help the Barons sell tickets, as unusual as that sounds.
Toni Rajala is small. Very small. But he possesses blazing speed and has a good amount of skill. It was mostly wasted on this line tonight, though he created a couple of scoring chances with pure speed. If he's going to make it in North America, he's going to be a project and the Oilers will have to wait on him.
Brett Ferguson was discovered by Scott as someone who dominated even strength play in Red Deer last year, but the nagging question remained - what he an overage player beating on younger kids or did he develop some special skills as an overager? He didn't have the skating ability to keep up with a number of the more agile players and didn't show much. Seems like a guy ideally suited for Stockton.
Chase Schaber was non-existent in this one.
What was it OilLeak said in the GDT? Ah yes:
"That 4th line leaves something to be desired"
Indeed it did. Drew Czerwonka was pushed around the ice, though he did make one nice play to sacrifice his body (and maybe brain if he were playing at a higher level of hockey) in order to move the puck up ice. Cam Abney had one shift where he was able to get near the net, and to be honest, I don't remember a single play made by Colin Smith.
David Musil played his best game of the tournament tonight, but it came on a night when he was paired was Brandon Davidson and they weren't working together. I noted in the GDT that Musil moves like Eric Brewer on the ice. He was very calm with the puck tonight and had no issues making the simple play to move the puck, but he also tried a couple of stretch passes that were bobbled by the intended forward.
Davidson was up and down throughout the evening. He displayed the flashes of a player who will one day make it, but he also displayed flashes of a player who is completely overwhelmed.
Once again tonight Jeremie Blain just looked lost. It's not speed or quickness, he's not a step behind the play, it's that he's unwilling to make a play. He'll get to the spot and watch a forward go around him and not step into the forward. On the very next shift he'll get to the spot and get run over or through. He needs to take a line and stick with it. Finish the play off.
Wes Vannieuwenhuizen, well, he's sure willing to fight!
If we were tracking HUAs, Martin Marincin would lead the Oilers for the tournament. He's got size and can play the game, but commits an HUA at least once per period. Tonight he had : In the first period he tried to skate the puck out of his own zone directly through the top of the crease and slot. He had the puck stripped and gave the Flames a scoring chance; later in the second period on the power play, he attempted skate the puck around a defender to the corner to the circle but was nearly stripped for the breakaway SH chance; he did the exact same thing in the third period. If this small three-game sample was an accurate representation of Marincin's game, the best thing for him is another year in the WHL unlearning all of these bad habits.
Tyler Schmidt, well, he's sure willing to fight!
The Copper & Blue Three Stars:
★★★ - David Musil
★★ - Anton Lander
★ - Tyler Pitlick
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Has there been some sort of official announcement stating that Pitlick will be going back to the WHL? I highly doubt that a player of his calibre will be spending a year in the WHL as an overager.
When is the last time a high pick with size who scored over a point per game spend the next season in the CHL as an overager? Even though in some cases it makes sense, I’m guessing that it’s a pretty rare occurrence due to scouting politics or what not.
In any case, based on merit, Pitlick does not deserve to be sent back to juniors. As a comp, he is clearly better than Cornet and arguably better than Hamilton. Sending him back to the WHL would be a ludicrous move by Oilers management.
Tyrvainen really has not impressed me much. And tonight especially, he was a drag alongside Pitlick and Hamilton. He looks like a waste of a minor league spot.
Marincin is surely frustrating to watch. He’s probably got the best physical tools of all our D prospects in this tourney, but his decision making is just awful at times. He can probably get away with most of his fancy maneuvers in junior hockey. Too back he can’t be sent to the AHL. He can certainly use a dose of pro hockey reality.
Pitlick won't be playing in the WHL..
“Steve Tambellini confirms that Tyler Pitlick will turn pro this year and not be sent back to Medicine Hat in the WHL.”
He should be sent to Whl..i dont know whats this rush to send him to AHL…
Its not like he absolutely destroyed the dub and hence should move onto the next level. He still has warts in his game and taking a more patient approach might be the right thing to do.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
It applies to Pitlick as well.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
Well the thing is that there wasnt many ‘holes’ in Pitlick’s game. He was consistent all year long and did fairly well at ES. Did not score much on PP.
So while it were upto me, I would send him back to junior, a case can be made for Pitlick to turn pro.
However Marincin needs to play in juniors. He doesnt look like he is ready for the pro game.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
Except that Pitlick has shown that he’s already on par with or better than a number of AHLers he’s played with or against. Not really sure what happened at Med Hat but his numbers clearly failed to reflect his true abilities.
Besides, sending him back to the WHL as an overager would be quite an insult to him and his agent. Those overage slots are usually for the unwanted and the never-will-bes. I don’t think it’s the type of message you wanna send to a prospect you’re high on.
by choppystride on Sep 15, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
if something needs to be done, then it should be done regardless of hurt feelings or not…If Oilers feel he should go to the W, then they should send him. I am sure they can explain to him the reasoning well and slowly soothe the relationship over the course of the year. Its not like Pitlick is not signed or anything.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
What AHLers?
Aside from the handful that had small roles or were rookies last year, he hasn’t faced any.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
At least on par with Nemisz.
Probably better than MacMillan & Buoma.
Definitely better than Cornet.
by choppystride on Sep 15, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
At least on par with Nemisz.
Probably better than MacMillan & Buoma.
Based on?
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
On top of that, he has looked favorably compared to some other notable amateur grads who are likely heading to the AHL e.g. Hamilton, Gregoire (NCAA), Reinhart, Howse, etc.
If Pitlick is deemed need an overage year in the CHL, so should those other ones, too LOL.
by choppystride on Sep 15, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Besides, sending him back to the WHL as an overager would be quite an insult to him and his agent. Those overage slots are usually for the unwanted and the never-will-bes. I don’t think it’s the type of message you wanna send to a prospect you’re high on.
Stop this. Edmonton fans need to stop this inane and insane argument. How many Red Wings’ prospects and Pens’ prospects run screaming from the organization, throwing hissy fits because they are sent to developmental situations?
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Stop this. Edmonton fans need to stop this inane and insane argument. How many Red Wings’ prospects and Pens’ prospects run screaming from the organization, throwing hissy fits because they are sent to developmental situations?
Stop Exactly What?
You actually think that sending him back as a CHL overager constitutes a “developmental situation”?
Well let’s see…
Last season the Oilers AHL affiliate made room for 5 (more or less) incoming freshmen forwards from the amateur ranks. Hartikainen and Omark unquestionably deserved their spots. As for Kytnar, Cornet, Vande Velde…well…let’s just politely say that the jury is still out. But I’m guessing that’s the norm around the NHL. That is, each org probably has around this number of spots open to freshmen forwards graduating from the amateur ranks every season. And those bottom 3 kids made the cut to receive pro-level dev time & coaching. Good for them.
This year, the consensus is that Pitlick is among the top 3 incoming freshmen forwards who are possibly AHL-bound. I think it’s pretty obvious that the Oilers brass seems to think so. I can tell you that I think so. According to your website’s top-25 ranking, it seems to be the general consensus among your staff as well.
Personally, I think he’s better than those bottom 3 kids mentioned above. In fact, your rankings suggest likewise.
By my eyes, so far Pitlick has been meeting everyone’s expectations to be among the top 3 incoming F’s (obviously, I’m excluding RNH as he’s AHL-ineligible). I highly doubt anyone would think otherwise at this point. In fact, I think he’s at least on par with Hamilton at #2. But even for those who disagree, I don’t to see how anyone can claim there to be a significant gap between the two. And of course, the general consensus pretty much has Hamilton heading to the AHL as a certainty.
And I think you’re perhaps overestimating the prerequisites for a prospect to transition from juniors to the AHL. Not everyone needs to duplicate Corey Perry’s 19 yr-old season to deserve the push. For every Perry there are probably more than a few dozen Phillipe Cornets. I think Pitlick is clear of those.
Moreover, NHL teams just don’t tend to send their brightest propects back to the CHL as overagers. You seem to hold Detroit in high regard so let’s look at the last few F’s that Detroit sent back as overagers:
- Stephen Johnston – drafted #181 overall, failed to crack 1 PPG both at 19 & as an overager on a pretty high scoring Windsor team.
- Randy Cameron #148 went straight to CIAU after overage season
- Zack Torquato #178 went to ECHL after overage season.
Think Detroit predict these guys to amount to much?
On the topic of not alienating their prospects (and their agents), I’m sure Detroit has no such worries as long as they can keep correctly distinguishing their blue chips from the fodder (which they and the other NHL teams have been doing the majority of the time). The Darren Helms (64 PTS in 59 GP at 19 yrs old) of world went straight to the AHL. Even the Cory Emmertons of the world (61 PTS in 54 GP at 19 yrs old) went straight to the AHL. Those three lesser dudes above, I don’t think they have much grounds for objection for not receiving immediate AHL training post-junior.
Thus far, Detroit’s judgement looks to be panning out correctly. Those 3 overagers seem to be on paths to oblivion.
Not saying there aren’t exceptions. Off the top of my head, the only guy who was purposely sent back by his org to play as an overager and ended up amounting to something was Ryan Clowe. I think he was sufferring from attrocious skating issues back then. Otherwise, these guys mostly fall into oblivion, or, if they make it back, they are usually no more than low end journeymen. So if you’re betting that Pitlick belongs to the latter category…sure, act like Detroit and send him back to juniors for remedial classes; don’t waste a pro spot on him.
If you’re betting that Pitlick may actually become a decent NHLer, I don’t see how anyone can justify sending Pitlick back to juniors and not make room for him in the AHL. He’s arguably tied as the #2 incoming F, and the other #2 pretty much has a spot reserved if needed (which is likely). 5 spots were given last season, and 3 of those probably went to inferior talents. If I were Pitlick or his agent, I’d be fucking pissed and rightly so. Because it would seem to me that the Oilers are allocating their development resources in an unfair and non-optimal way. And by being part of this process, my development is being set in a course that’s historically been reserved for those deemed to have questionable NHL futures. If I were Pitlick, I would not regard a CHL demotion as a “development situtaion”. I would look at it as a Fucked-Up situation.
by choppystride on Sep 16, 2011 4:41 AM MDT up reply actions
see here is the point. If Oilers feel that Pitlick would benefit from going to Ahl, then they should send him to Ahl.
Otherwise, if they believe he will develop better in the W by playing another season there, then he should go to the W. hurt feelings, getting pissed should not be in consideration.
Pitlick has played in 3 different leagues in the last 3 seasons and probably spend more time acclamatizing than working on his game and making improvements. Now you want him to go up a few level in competition and get used to it while getting better at the same time. That is expecting quiete a lot from a forward who did not really dominate the Chl in his 19 yr old season. Yes you and many saw him good, but his point production has been underwhelming.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
Unbelievable that Pitlick didn’t get an assist on the Marincin goal. He made it happen. Usually a backhand tape-to-tape cross-seam feed directly to the goal scorer warrants an assist, but I guess this was just that exceptional one that didn’t.
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That’s what happens when there is no secondary verification on the goals & assists.
Pretty much the story in every rec hockey league in Canada.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
I don’t really care, but if they aren’t even gonna try to get it right, they shouldn’t publish summaries. On the first goal Hamilton intercepted a clearing pass, the puck shook loose to Pitlick for the one time blast, and somehow Tyrvainen got an assist without coming near the puck. That’s pretty lame, especially when compared to the nifty play Pitlick made to tee up Marincin. I used to work the timekeeper’s box in minor hockey and we did better than that!
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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 15, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Then don’t read the summaries and you won’t have to get mad. Also, it’s not the timekeepers job to record goals and assists, it’s the on-ice officials job.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
I might be crazy, but I’m not mad. :P
Just pointing out an error, that’s all. Hey, like Derek I had to write a game story, so I too mentioned that Pitlick was key to two of the three goals, which is more than the summary would tell you and that’s a fact. Of course it’s small potatoes, won’t be news tomorrow and that’s a fact too.
Yes you were right the refs made the scoring calls but we used to help a bit with player ID when asked. Hard to believe that four officials all missed an obvious play like this one.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 15, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m on your side Bruce. Either get it right or don’t do it at all.
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Then you are following the wrong team.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
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