Worst Defense - Colorado or Minnesota? You Decide, Part III
I didn't mean for this to turn into a tournament, but once Colorado lost to Edmonton, I had to see just how bad they were. Columbus steamrolled them, which casts the Avalanche in an incredibly negative light. But the Avs have to be better than someone, right? They can't have the worst defense in the league, after all, they've traded for Erik Johnson and Ryan O`Byrne and signed Jan Hejda. That has the makings of something, no?
To see how bad fans think they are, I sought advice on my next matchup. I asked the C&B writing crew and they suggested Minnesota. I asked a couple of SB Nation writers and editors and they suggested Florida...and Minnesota. I asked some stat geeks and they suggested Ottawa...and Minnesota. If Minnesota is the worst they can all come up with after Edmonton, Colorado and Columbus, it's time to create a poll.
After the jump, we check into the Minnesota Wild vs. Colorado Avalanche defensive corps comparison. Will the conclusion be surprising, like it was against Edmonton and Columbus?
As I did in the Colorado - Columbus comparison, I've broken down the expected defensive depth charts by defensive side to make the comparisons more orderly.
| Left Defense | |
| Nick Schultz | Jan Hejda |
| Marek Zidlicky |
Ryan Wilson |
| Jared Spurgeon |
Kyle Cumiskey |
| 8.206 |
5.232 |
Nick Schultz is one of the most underrated defenseman in the league. Marek Zidlicky can move the puck like only a Czech defenseman can. Jared Spurgeon is a little guy who will play a minimal amount of minutes. Jan Hejda is overpaid with too much term. Ryan Wilson is coming on strong and is going to be very good and Kyle Cumiskey is a borderline NHLer.
Verdict: The Wild win this one, even if only on the strength of Schultz.
| Right Defense | |
| Clayton Stoner |
Erik Johnson |
| Greg Zanon |
Kyle Quincey |
| Mike Lundin |
Ryan O`Byrne |
| 3.483 |
7.525 |
Johnson beats Stoner on pedigree alone, and though Quincey has been a pretty darned good NHL defenseman, Zanon is one of the best defensive defenseman in the league. Lundin showed well with Tampa, but O`Byrne might be the shutdown guy Colorado hasn't had since Adam Foote was actually good - before the lockout.
Verdict: The Avs win in a split decision, but if dollars spent are included, I think the Wild are getting more value out of their troika.
| Press Box |
|
| Justin Falk |
Shane O`Brien |
| Marco Scandella |
Matt Hunwick |
| 1.45 |
2.65 |
The Wild have nothing but bargain-basement on ELCs, and the Avs are slotting in experienced depth. Cumiskey might end up in this twosome in the end and that would change the balance of the matchup. The Avs win this but they're spending a bunch of money on depth defense.
Verdict: The Avalanche win this one in a big way.
| Total Cap Hit |
|
| 12.959 | 14.7 |
A team spending less on their defense than the Avs? I'm stunned. And overall the Wild are probably in front of the Avs. The left defense is dominant and the matchups are close. I think the Avs might win the vote, but it won't be easy.
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I like the Wild here, mainly on the strength of their top four. Zanon, Schultz, Zidlicky, and Lundin >> Erik Johnson, Hejda (who I don’t think you’re giving enough credit), Quincey, and Wilson. While I don’t think I’d mind Hejda or Quincey playing toughs, I’d be comfortable with any of MIN’s four playing toughs.
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I’d repeat my comments about Cumiskey being in the top 6 defensemen for the Avs, but I don’t think it’s necessary. O’Brien, Hunwick, Elliott, Holos, etc. all see more ice time than Cumiskey (not withstanding Colorado’s 345 man-games lost to injury this season). He played hardball with management and lost. He’ll be riding buses in Cleveland before he gets a regular shift in Denver.
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I really don’t understand how his agent didn’t get him to go for salary arbitration.
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by Scott Reynolds on Sep 12, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I got major problems with the entire line-up over here… Ryan Wilson isn’t in the top 4. The top 4 will be Some combo of Hejda-Johnson-O’Byrne-Quincey. #5 will be O’Brien and # 6 could be one of 6 people, with Wilson having the inside track.
So this whole exercise has been pretty flawed from the beginning IMO. This just simply isn’t the Avs defense, but I guess if you were looking at a situation in which “If 6 defenders on the roster were used improperly, which one has the worst defense” then Colorado has a pretty strong case for #1. .
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Sep 12, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m glad the author responded to you.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
He responded in the last thread where I said the same things.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Sep 13, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
It didn’t change for this one though. I actually like the idea of comparing defenses in this way to give a difference perspective but not when the lineup is completely wrong; whether the Avs win or lose compared to the Wild does not matter provided the lineup, or even the logically assumed lineup by its fan base, is accurate.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

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