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Worst Defense - Colorado or Minnesota? You Decide, Part III

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I didn't mean for this to turn into a tournament, but once Colorado lost to Edmonton, I had to see just how bad they were.  Columbus steamrolled them, which casts the Avalanche in an incredibly negative light.  But the Avs have to be better than someone, right?  They can't have the worst defense in the league, after all, they've traded for Erik Johnson and Ryan O`Byrne and signed Jan Hejda.  That has the makings of something, no?

To see how bad fans think they are, I sought advice on my next matchup.  I asked the C&B writing crew and they suggested Minnesota.  I asked a couple of SB Nation writers and editors and they suggested Florida...and Minnesota.  I asked some stat geeks and they suggested Ottawa...and Minnesota.  If Minnesota is the worst they can all come up with after Edmonton, Colorado and Columbus, it's time to create a poll.

After the jump, we check into the Minnesota Wild vs. Colorado Avalanche defensive corps comparison.  Will the conclusion be surprising, like it was against Edmonton and Columbus?

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As I did in the Colorado - Columbus comparison, I've broken down the expected defensive depth charts by defensive side to make the comparisons more orderly.

Left Defense
Nick Schultz Jan Hejda
Marek Zidlicky
Ryan Wilson
Jared Spurgeon
Kyle Cumiskey


8.206
5.232

 

Nick Schultz is one of the most underrated defenseman in the league.  Marek Zidlicky can move the puck like only a Czech defenseman can.  Jared Spurgeon is a little guy who will play a minimal amount of minutes. Jan Hejda is overpaid with too much term.  Ryan Wilson is coming on strong and is going to be very good and Kyle Cumiskey is a borderline NHLer.

Verdict:  The Wild win this one, even if only on the strength of Schultz.

Right Defense
Clayton Stoner
Erik Johnson
Greg Zanon
Kyle Quincey
Mike Lundin
Ryan O`Byrne


3.483
7.525

 

Johnson beats Stoner on pedigree alone, and though Quincey has been a pretty darned good NHL defenseman, Zanon is one of the best defensive defenseman in the league.  Lundin showed well with Tampa, but O`Byrne might be the shutdown guy Colorado hasn't had since Adam Foote was actually good - before the lockout.

Verdict:  The Avs win in a split decision, but if dollars spent are included, I think the Wild are getting more value out of their troika. 

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Justin Falk
Shane O`Brien
Marco Scandella
Matt Hunwick


1.45
2.65

 

The Wild have nothing but bargain-basement on ELCs, and the Avs are slotting in experienced depth.  Cumiskey might end up in this twosome in the end and that would change the balance of the matchup.  The Avs win this but they're spending a bunch of money on depth defense.  

Verdict: The Avalanche win this one in a big way.

Total Cap Hit
12.959 14.7

 

A team spending less on their defense than the Avs?  I'm stunned.  And overall the Wild are probably in front of the Avs.  The left defense is dominant and the matchups are close.  I think the Avs might win the vote, but it won't be easy.

Poll
Which team has the worst defense?
Colorado
81 votes
Minnesota
80 votes

161 votes | Poll has closed

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I like the Wild here, mainly on the strength of their top four. Zanon, Schultz, Zidlicky, and Lundin >> Erik Johnson, Hejda (who I don’t think you’re giving enough credit), Quincey, and Wilson. While I don’t think I’d mind Hejda or Quincey playing toughs, I’d be comfortable with any of MIN’s four playing toughs.

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by red army line on Sep 11, 2011 7:10 AM MDT reply actions  

Avs not winning this one either.

Yah I dont think Avs are better than Wild on D.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Sep 12, 2011 2:09 PM MDT reply actions  

I’d repeat my comments about Cumiskey being in the top 6 defensemen for the Avs, but I don’t think it’s necessary. O’Brien, Hunwick, Elliott, Holos, etc. all see more ice time than Cumiskey (not withstanding Colorado’s 345 man-games lost to injury this season). He played hardball with management and lost. He’ll be riding buses in Cleveland before he gets a regular shift in Denver.

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by Mike @ MHH on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM MDT reply actions  

I really don’t understand how his agent didn’t get him to go for salary arbitration.

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by Scott Reynolds on Sep 12, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I got major problems with the entire line-up over here… Ryan Wilson isn’t in the top 4. The top 4 will be Some combo of Hejda-Johnson-O’Byrne-Quincey. #5 will be O’Brien and # 6 could be one of 6 people, with Wilson having the inside track.

So this whole exercise has been pretty flawed from the beginning IMO. This just simply isn’t the Avs defense, but I guess if you were looking at a situation in which “If 6 defenders on the roster were used improperly, which one has the worst defense” then Colorado has a pretty strong case for #1. .

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Sep 12, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m glad the author responded to you.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 13, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe author busy with work?
why the hate?

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Sep 13, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

He responded in the last thread where I said the same things.

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Sep 13, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

It didn’t change for this one though. I actually like the idea of comparing defenses in this way to give a difference perspective but not when the lineup is completely wrong; whether the Avs win or lose compared to the Wild does not matter provided the lineup, or even the logically assumed lineup by its fan base, is accurate.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Sep 13, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

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