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Ales Hemsky on the Power Play

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Earlier today, Derek wrote an article on Ales Hemsky that showed how favorably Hemsky's scoring rate compares to some of the best players in the game. Hemsky is one of my favorite players, largely because of courage and grace with which he plays the game, so I don't need any convincing that he's a fantastic player, but Triumph offered what I thought was a very good partial rebuttal:

While Hemsky is a first line winger, there’s no doubt, why do I always hear complaints from Oiler fans about the power play that runs through Ales Hemsky? You can’t both praise his point totals (which are helped by the fact that the PP goes right through him) and then not have him at least take some blame for why the Oil power play is so bad.

Most of us agree that Hemsky is a fantastic player at even strength. He's an excellent scorer, he handles himself against the best other teams have to offer, and he creates more on offense than he gives back the other way. When he's healthy (which isn't all the time), he's tremendous. But the power play might just be a different story.

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It's clear that Hemsky had a poor season on the power play in 2010-11 - he scored just 3.47 point per sixty minutes five-on-four, which placed him 107th among forwards (min. 20 GP and 2 min. per game) - but his longer track record suggests that this was an off-year. If we look back a few seasons, we find that Hemsky had 4.71 points per sixty minutes in 2009-10, 5.00 in 2008-09, and 5.93 in 2007-08. But there are a couple of problems. First, the only number there that suggests he's an elite power play scorer is the the number from 2007-08. Second, even though Hemsky is scoring, the power play as a whole has been poor, even if we just look at the time that Hemsky's been on the ice.

In the chart below, I've compared Hemsky to the top power play man (by time on ice) on some of the other teams in the NHL. In order to qualify, a forward simply needed to lead his team in five-on-four ice time per game in three out of the last four seasons. The rate statistics presented are based on the aggregate total of the last four years (three in the case of Jason Arnott):

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Obviously we're looking at team performance more than individual performance here, but there's a substantial gap between Hemsky's Oilers and the elite teams on this list in terms of scoring. And if we look at the shooting rate, Hemsky's Oilers are in dead last by a substantial margin, which is important both because there is a strong correlation between scoring a lot and shooting a lot on the power play, and because a team's shooting rate is a good predictor of future performance.

So does this mean that Ales Hemsky is a bad player? Not at all! But we can't ignore the fact that he's part of a losing strategy when the club is on the power play. And it's probably not stretching the truth to say that he's the biggest part. It's a near certainty that Hemsky gets asked for input from the coaches when it comes to strategy, and even if he doesn't, it's a fact that no one touches the puck as much as Hemsky does when he's on the ice and the Oilers have the man advantage. No one has more influence than him on a power play that has consistently struggled. That doesn't necessarily mean that Hemsky should be taken off the ice entirely, but it does cry out for a change.

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So you’re telling me that if you take an amazing talent, capable of elite numbers and slowly strip away the other talent on the team, that amazing talent’s performance is going to suffer?

I think you’re on to something here.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 9, 2011 9:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Not what I’m telling you at all actually (though of course that doesn’t necessarily make you wrong). What I’m telling you is that although Hemsky has proven himself to be a formidable talent at even strength, there’s not much evidence that he’s capable of running an elite power play in the NHL. To my knowledge, he’s never done it. Some of that is on the talent available, no doubt, but some of that is on him.

In the four years under consideration here, the Oilers were (a touch) over +60.0 Fenwick per sixty minutes in just one of Hemsky’s seasons (not the season Hemsky had his best scoring rate incidentally), which just isn’t very good. And while the team’s shooting rate with him on the ice isn’t solely on him, absolving him of responsibility seems wrongheaded to me since the team is looking for him to be the straw that stirs this particular drink.

As far as talent slowly bleeding away, I’m not sure what you’re getting at. There have been some changes on defense for sure, but up front it’s been a pretty steady diet of Penner, Horcoff, and Gagner all four years.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 9, 2011 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

While that’s some solid fact-finding Scott, I feel like stats are a ways away from capturing the power play. Is Sidney Crosby an elite power play guy? The Penguins’ PP has been pretty average over the last couple of years. (4th in 08, but then 20th in 09 and 10, then 25th last season). I don’t know how well Fenwick represents things, either. And then there’s the issue of usage – most power plays get the puck to a ‘quarterback’ and then operate from there. How much is that quarterback skill worth? How many points does a player get as the ‘quarterback’ above what he might get if he weren’t the QB?

But yes, you’ve represented my point well. If you’re going to call someone a premier first-line forward in the NHL and use points per game as a measure, you have to be ready to face that question – is the guy great on the power play?

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by Triumph44 on Aug 10, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree that there’s still a long way to go in quantifying power play skill. I’ve had arguments in the past about replacement level on the power play and how much value players can add there (I set replacement level lower than most in that argument). As for Crosby, I’m not convinced that he is an elite power play guy. He certainly hasn’t been able to push the Penguins into the upper echelon consistently.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 10, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Turns out standing still on the half wall doesn’t fool penalty killers.

by zys on Aug 10, 2011 12:36 AM MDT reply actions  

if he only used a proper stick/blade!

by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Aug 10, 2011 1:39 AM MDT reply actions  

Hmm, the lack of a Centre who can win offensive-zone draws and distribute the puck, lack of a mucker who can screen the goalie and mix it up in front of the net, and lack of a quarterback on the blueline might also affect his numbers.

For some reason trotting out Gagner to take draws and Foster to slowly wind up that slapper of his seems like a hinderance to the man’s numbers.

by John Chambers on Aug 10, 2011 11:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Teammates will definitely make a difference, and that’s probably part of the problem here, but I think we need to be careful not to overstate its importance. Penner is a pretty good “man in front of the net” and he had that role for the large majority of Hemsky’s ice time. Horcoff and Gagner at center are by no means perfect, but they were a combined 51% on PP draws over the last four years, which is below average, but not so bad that you’d expect a massive difference with a replacement, and Gagner’s a pretty darn good passer too. On the blueline, the Oilers have had a wide variety of players over the last four seasons, and while Souray and Foster didn’t prove to be particularly effective here, both of them have been part of effective units in other places, as has Visnovsky. Better teammates would certainly make Hemsky better, but it’s not like he’s been playing with humps.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 10, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I recall a poster on HF posting some rankings of Hemsky’s 1st assist production on the powerplay. He was found to be top 10 over the past four years, and was always in the top 15 in any one given year among 1st unit forwards. They were getting at that despite his overall points production rates dropping on the PP, his first assist production has remained elite. And they suggested that may point to bad luck or bad teammates (lack of second assists). While others on the board disagreed and said that his low second assists is probably due to his style of play, his all or nothing hold onto the puck approach.

I’m not sure which conclusion is correct, but I think those first assists show that at the very least Hemsky is an elite powerplay playmaker, That would suggest to me he’s a very valuable peice to an elite powerplay, but needs help around him (and that could be in terms of teammates if you agree with the first assertion above, or in terms of strategy change if you agree with the second assertion above).

by jasonmcadams on Aug 10, 2011 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

but this is my point, and i think scott’s point as well – you don’t know. the power play runs through hemsky. you can’t ‘run’ even strength. so points on the power play are to me confounded by survivorship bias and usage issues – if the guy is a primary option on a power play, he’s going to produce points until he’s taken out of that role. the question is, how much more valuable is he than the 2nd guy on the roster who could fill that role, and what’s his value compared to other players who fill the same role around the league?

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by Triumph44 on Aug 10, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

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