Top 25 Under 25 - Final Rankings

by Scott Reynolds on Aug 6, 2011 11:30 AM MDT in Prospects

Tyler Bunz shows us his patented "perpendicular to the net" stance. And you people wonder why he didn't make the Top 25?

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The Top 25 Under 25 is now finished for the fourth time, and you can tell the list is getting better. Last summer, six of Edmonton's draft picks were able to make the Top 25. This summer, there were only five, which leaves a few of the new rankings unresolved, which gives this post a little bit of added suspense. Find out where the new hires (and Tyler Bunz!) got ranked after the jump.

Below is a chart showing the each writer's individual ratings. I've included all 48 players who were under consideration for this list, though a couple of them have already moved on. The columns in the chart are sortable; simply click on the header row and you're ready to go.

Overall	Player	Ben	Bruce	Derek	Jaysen	Jon	Scott
1	Taylor Hall	1	1	1	1	1	1
2	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	2	2	6	6	2	2
3	Jordan Eberle	3	3	7	2	3	3
4	Sam Gagner	4	5	2	4	4	5
5	Magnus Paajarvi	5	4	3	5	5	4
6	Jeff Petry	8	6	5	3	6	7
7	Linus Omark	6	9	4	7	7	6
8	Anton Lander	14	7	10	8	11	9
9	Teemu Hartikainen	12	8	11	13	13	10
10	Oscar Klefbom	11	13	9	15	9	13
11	Martin Marincin	15	10	12	10	8	15
12	Curtis Hamilton	9	11	13	14	14	12
13	Tyler Pitlick	13	12	8	9	18	14
14	Theo Peckham	7	16	15	12	10	16
15	Ryan Martindale	10	21	23	17	17	11
16	Andrew Cogliano	29	18	22	11	12	8
17	David Musil	19	15	20	16	15	19
18	Brandon Davidson	24	19	19	20	19	21
19	Jeremie Blain	30	20	18	23	16	20
20	Colten Teubert	21	14	27	21	26	18
21	Dillon Simpson	22	25	14	19	25	23
22	Olivier Roy	20	31	17	18	21	27
23	Samu Perhonen	27	26	16	24	20	25
24	Taylor Chorney	18	24	24	22	29	28
25	Alex Plante	17	27	31	28	27	17
26	Chris VandeVelde	16	22	21	25	36	30
27	Tyler Bunz	26	17	41	29	22	26
28	Gilbert Brule	37	23	33	26	23	31
29	Tobias Rieder	31	29	29	27	24	36
30	Kyle Bigos	32	34	25	32	30	24
31	Milan Kytnar	36	28	26	34	32	29
32	Toni Rajala	33	32	30	30	34	35
33	Philippe Cornet	34	39	28	31	33	32
34	Martin Gernat	35	38	34	35	31	34
35	Johan Motin	23	46	38	37	37	37
36	Drew Czerwonka	46	33	36	33	39	33
37	Ryan O'Marra	28	30	46	46	35	38
38	Antti Tyrvainen	45	40	37	38	42	22
39	Taylor Fedun	40	35	32	41	38	39
40	Kristians Pelss	25	36	44	39	41	43
41	Frans Tuohimaa	39	43	42	40	28	41
42	Travis Ewanyk	41	37	45	36	40	46
43	Mark Arcobello	42	42	35	42	44	42
44	Robby Dee	44	47	39	43	43	40
45	Kellen Jones	43	45	43	45	46	44
46	Cameron Abney	38	44	48	47	45	45
47	Troy Hesketh	48	41	40	44	47	48
48	Alexander Bumagin	47	48	47	48	48	47

As always, we're interested in where you think we went wrong, and to get that conversation started, I'll talk about what I think were the most questionable picks:

Ben: The one that sticks out the most for me is Andrew Cogliano at #29 just behind Ryan O'Marra. Indefensible. Have you heard the expression "familiarity breeds contempt"? In this case, it's not so much contempt as it is the purest form of loathing. Other notables: Chris VandeVelde at #16; Johan Motin at #23; Kristians Pelss at #25.

Bruce: Bruce has a reputation for loving goalies, which is why his placement of Olivier Roy at #31 came as such a surprise. It's like Bruce didn't get the memo that clutch doesn't exists. You know the guy played games besides the World Juniors and the QMJHL playoffs, right? Other notables: Tyler Bunz at #17; Gilbert Brule at #23; Johan Motin at #46

Derek: I may not have had Tyler Bunz in my Top 25, but at least I didn't have him in the 40's! Derek dropped Bunz eights spots from our last list probably because Bunz was too good in the playoffs. Unlike Bruce, Derek knows that clutch doesn't exist, so when a guy comes up big in the playoffs, you know he sucks. Other notables: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins at #6 (or #7); Troy Hesketh at #40; Ryan O'Marra at #46

Jaysen: Derek made sure to keep me from mocking his O'Marra ranking by curb-stomping Bunz, but then Jaysen went and did the same thing! I was certain that I'd have O'Marra the lowest at #38, but even I didn't have the gall to say that Troy Hesketh has a better shot at glory. That's just mean. Other notables: Jeff Petry at #3; Ryan Nugent-Hopkins at #6; Oscar Klefbom at #15

Jon: He keeps getting asked about Martin Marincin and he keeps right on ignoring the question. The guy had a terrible second half, and Jon has him in eighth? I hate to be the one to tell you Jon, but even though loyalty is an admirable quality, stubbornness isn't. Other notables: Tyler Pitlick at #18; Frans Tuohimaa at #28; Chris VandeVelde at #36

Scott: I'm pretty sure that all my rankings are bang on. Some might say that Antti Tyrvainen is a little high at #22, but those people would be dead wrong. Antti Tyrvainen is Tikkanen with language skills. Other notables: Andrew Cogliano at #8; Tobias Rieder at #36; Travis Ewanyk at #46

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I see that Ben is the only one to even partially acknowledge Cameron Abney’s prodigious talent. The rest of you should be ashamed.

by Yeti# on Aug 6, 2011 12:08 PM MDT reply actions

I have Marincin 8th; his average placement is 11th. So I’m not way out in left field or anything.

The guys I have him ahead of that others don’t are Klefbom, Lander and Hartikainen, and for me I think it’s a potential issue. If we’re looking at these guys and saying ’who’s closest to NHL-ready?’ we’d be placing Lander and Hartikainen at the top of the list. Marincin’s a little further down. But if everything comes together for Marincin, he can help a franchise like few other players on this list.

If he bombs in the AHL, I’ll drop him a bunch. But right now, the possibility of a mean 6’4" defenseman capable of generating offense is just too intriguing. With respect to the three guys I mentioned, that has me putting Marincin narrowly ahead of them.

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by Jonathan Willis on Aug 6, 2011 4:50 PM MDT reply actions

I don’t know if Marincin’s mean. He might have a dirty streak, but I think that’s a bit different than the traditional hockey definition of mean.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 6, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions

One of the factors that has to be mentioned is Marincin played a whole lot more games this year in the WHL than he did the year prior back in Slovakia. (Counting everything, he went from 49 to 74.) I seem to recall a scouting report confirming that he looked fatigued late in the season, that he wasn’t using his physical tools to the same degree.

If it’s just a matter of conditioning, then I would suggest that we’ll likely see the first half Marincin all year long next year in the WHL. Unless they move him along to the AHL this year, which would seem premature.

by David Supina on Aug 7, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions

Pitlick’s scoring numbers in the AHL weren’t crap but they weren’t very good at all. His team finished +69; he finished +4. Those aren’t definitive by any stretch but they do have me cautious.

Vande Velde is O’Marra with less professional experience.

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by Jonathan Willis on Aug 6, 2011 4:54 PM MDT reply actions

Interesting that Alex Plante didn’t make your notables list, Scott ;)

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by Jonathan Willis on Aug 6, 2011 4:56 PM MDT reply actions

Well, I tried to avoid the ties unless the player ended up on both lists. So I blame Ben for that one. Oh, plus Alex Plante is good.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 6, 2011 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions

Dealing with goalies is like dealing with voodoo. If Bunz puts together a second excellent season, I’ll move him up.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 6, 2011 5:02 PM MDT reply actions

The part of your Bunz ranking that I found most surprising was the downward trend. Was it just a case of a lot of new blood moving in, or did you see something in the last few months that’s soured you (even more)?

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 6, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions

But that could be said for a whole host of the mid-range prospects on this list. The difference is Bunz had a better season than a lot of the ones you have ranked ahead of him.

by David Supina on Aug 7, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions

Eberle must be 2nd, Hamilton – in the top 10, Omark – higher than Petry. 2nd place for RNH is a huge advance as of now. He may be better than Hall, but until he proves this in action, I would keep him at around 6-7 (Derek’s “Eberle place”).

by Roman_Pilgrim on Aug 6, 2011 5:15 PM MDT reply actions

Counterpoint: Andrew Cogliano is terrible at hockey.

The difference between Cogliano and some of these other guys is like the difference between buying yesterday’s lottery ticket and today’s lottery ticket. Yesterday’s draw could have been for $1 billion but you still can’t win.

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by Benjamin Massey on Aug 7, 2011 5:18 PM MDT reply actions

Even if I were to agree with you about Cogliano’s potential (I don’t), how exactly is this a difference between Cogliano and, say, Ryan O’Marra? In what way is Ryan O’Marra not “yesterday’s lottery”?

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 7, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions

or last year’s for that matter

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Aug 8, 2011 7:22 AM MDT up reply actions

Or CVV for that matter.

Including last year, CVV has been lightyears behind Cogliano at every single step and they are the same age. Why would anyone thing CVV will pass Cogliano at any point in time?

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by dawgbone98 on Aug 8, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions

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