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Running the Forwards

In discussing the Edmonton Oilers, I tend to put on the general manager hat in the off-season since most of the action is taking place at that level. But sometimes it's fun to change up, and so today I thought that it would be fun to talk about how I might run the forwards at the start of the year if I were in Tom Renney's shoes and there were no more roster changes before the start of the season.

It seems clear to me that the organization has two major goals this season: improvement in the standings and player development. There's significant pressure to do both well, which isn't an easy task. But when your general manager says things like, "I expect our team to make the playoffs next year", you know that another last-place finish is likely to cost you your job. After the jump, I'll detail what I think is Tom Renney's best bet to help this team win.

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Last season, I was pretty sure that the Oilers didn't have the horses up front, and so my strategy focused mostly on development. Although Tom Renney did many things differently than what I had suggested - he demoted Omark to start the year, and often played two or even three young players on the same line - the general focus on development was the same. But that's not to say he was trying to lose. Even though there wasn't much effort made to match lines, Renney did tend to put his best offensive players in offensive situations (Hemsky had the second-most favorable ZoneStart on the team among forwards), and shift some of the defensive responsibilities onto his fourth liners (unless they were totally inept like Ryan O`Marra and Steve MacIntyre). This is very similar to what he did with the Rangers, so it's probably safe to expect that kind of thing going forward. But with the current roster, I think I'd probably do things a little bit differently. It's pretty obvious that lines are going to change throughout the season, but here's how I would start the season:

Taylor Hall - Shawn Horcoff - Jordan Eberle

This line had a lot of success one year ago, and I'd put them back together to start. I'd be giving this group a healthy dose of offensive zone faceoffs, but I don't think they need to be sheltered from tough competition. If, on the road, the opposing coach wants to run his power guys at this trio, I'd let them try to handle it, both because it would mean his power guys are starting more often than not in the defensive zone, and because it shows faith in both Hall and Eberle while still challenging them to improve. 

Ryan Smyth - Sam Gagner - Ales Hemsky

I'd start these guys a little bit more often in the defensive zone to make up for giving that top line some shelter. With two talented veterans on his wings, I think Gagner should be able to handle the added defensive responsibility, and if he can't, well, it's good to know that now. This trio could also be used in a power-v-power role if the top unit is struggling in a sustained fashion.

Lennart Petrell - Eric Belanger - Magnus Paajarvi

I'd probably look to have this group have 65% to 70% of their end-zone draws in the defensive zone, and hope that they survive. They generally won't need to take toughs (one of the two groups above them will have that task), so that might make things a little bit easier. I know that slotting Petrell into the starting lineup probably isn't what most folks have in mind, but the scouting reports suggest that the European veteran has some defensive chops, so he's probably the best fit here. I'll spoil things a bit by saying that it leaves Ryan Jones and Gilbert Brule without a spot, but I think I'd prefer Petrell to either of those two for this role. Using Paajarvi this way will surely make for a rough sophomore year, but the Oilers aren't going to be able to pay everyone, so you may as well see if the young Swede can fill an important role for the club long term that won't break the bank.

Ben Eager - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Linus Omark

These guys would be getting the least even-strength minutes and would definitely be getting maximum protection. Offensive zone starts are a must on the road, and at home you can more carefully monitor the competition too. As a coach, I think having Nugent-Hopkins on the roster makes sense, since he likely gives you the best chance to win, and pairing him with Omark could lead to some very pretty plays. I like having Eager here because he's got a little bit of crazy in his game, can forecheck well (which should complement Omark's boardwork nicely), and will know right off the hop that his job is keeping his stick on the ice. They wouldn't get a lot of time at evens, but Nugent-Hopkins and Omark would each get some extra time on the PP.

Like I said earlier, there are bound to be changes throughout the year for myriad reasons, but this is how I'd start the season. I like the lineup because I think that it gives the team a reasonable chance to win, and challenges every young player to improve his game so that he fits a role on a winning team down the road.

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Given what you know about this regime, what are the odds of Petrell starting on the 3rd line and Jones, Brule and Hordichuk in the press box?

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by Derek Zona on Aug 4, 2011 4:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Probably not very good, but I think he’s the best bet in that role, and quite possibly just the best player out of those four.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 4, 2011 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like the first two ideas a bunch, but those bottom two lines will never happen.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 4, 2011 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

What did Paajarvi do to upset you? Talk about giving him no chance for success next year… also, I’d send RNH down to the Juniors for another year… let him excel at the WJHC and then bring him along. I realize Jones gets no love but he deserves to be in the top 4 lines somewhere.

by Czechboy on Aug 4, 2011 5:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Paajarvi didn’t do anything to upset me. I think he’ll be a very good winger in the NHL, which is why I have him learning a very important role. As for Nugent-Hopkins, if I’m the GM, I send him down for sure, but as a coach, I think he’s probably the best player available to you.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 4, 2011 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

If the options are 4th line or CHL, then Nugent-Hopkins should be in the CHL. I think Smyth and Nugent-Hopkins should be “siamese twins” this year if he stays.

P.S Belanger is a better player than czechboy is giving him credit for.

by godot10 on Aug 4, 2011 5:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Well, there are obviously a lot of other options for him, but I’d prefer to both have him and start him slow if my goal as the coach is to develop the player and win games. I don’t see any reason to think that twelve minutes per night at the NHL level would be bad for Nugent-Hopkins.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 4, 2011 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

1st line: Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
2nd line: Smyth-RNH-Eberle
3rd line: Paajarvi-Horcoff-Omark
4th line: Eager-Belanger-Jones
“Spare tires”: Brule and Hordichuk
 I would also like to see the all-Swedish 3rd line at this year’s camp (Paajarvi-Lander-Omark). Makes you wonder how they will click together…

by Roman_Pilgrim on Aug 4, 2011 5:47 PM MDT reply actions  

If we are making a dream wish instead of realistic, then Pronger and Torres are still with the team. A more realistic look is as follows:

Hall – Gagner – Eberle

Smyth – Horcoff – Hemsky

Paajarvi – Belanger – Omark

Eager – Lander – Jones

RNH stays in Junior, Jones’ salary keeps him in the lineup, and Lander makes the team out right out of camp. The 2nd line reunites because there is no need for Horcoff and Gagner to be on the same line. Who would score outside of the crease on that line?

by Matt Stahl on Aug 4, 2011 6:22 PM MDT reply actions  

I think you may have missed the point of the exercise if you think mentioning Pronger and Torres is in the spirit of what I was doing here. I mentioned before talking about possible combinations that what I would do is very likely different than what Renney will do. I just thought it would be fun and/or interesting to look at some different possibilities.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 4, 2011 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

If both those players were still here we wouldn’t be talking about Hall and RNH as Oilers.

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by dawgbone98 on Aug 4, 2011 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that Horcoff is going to get passed by Belanger as the better offensive choice as the year goes. My guess if RNH gets sent down, Horcoff is on third if he stay’s fourth line.

by JJWiens on Aug 4, 2011 9:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Putting Nugent Hopkins on the 4th line would be a mistake developmentally. If the staff are convinced that he us good enough to stay, then he deserves to get some minutes on the third line or better. If not, send him down. Playing 20+ minutes a night in the dub is a lot better than sitting on the bench for 55 minutes a game in the NHL.

by Oiltank on Aug 4, 2011 9:17 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

I’d expect the Oilers to play four lines more than most clubs with the lineup I’ve presented here. I’m envisioning Nugent-Hopkins with about twelve minutes per night to start (rather than the five you’ve suggested), and an increased role if he has success. The minutes would be mostly in offensive situations with a very creative player beside him, which I think is an ideal situation for him to start in, and good for his development because it allows him to get more responsibility as he shows that he’s capable of it.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 4, 2011 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, I just assumed he would be in a very limited role that far down the depth chart, but as long as he sees some ice it could work.

by Oiltank on Aug 4, 2011 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would have no problem with RNH having limited minutes even strength and then seeing some serious powerplay action. Didn’t Hemsky have a similar role in his first season under MacT? Seems so long ago now…

by Yeti# on Aug 5, 2011 7:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

It is cool. I think I would line ’em up like this:

Hall-RNH (9 games)-Eberle
Smyth-Gagner-Hemsky
Omark-Horcoff-Paajarvi
Eager-Belanger-Jones

I think if/when RNH goes down, Belanger would fill in his spot. I think the minutes B played in Phoenix show he is capable of this spot.

I think the Gagner line should stay together. It would show us if Gagner can turn the corner playing with skilled and smart wingers. My bet, his point totals will show he can.

With Horcoff between the swedes it allows Big P to turn up the offense. Gotta let this kid fly!

If…a big if, Brule is healthy he slide into 4th line C spot. Smash mouth hockey! Could be good fun to watch. If he drops the ball then imo Lander should get the reins.

I like the Petrell spot, but having never seen him in any way it’s tough to say.

by Just-a-thought on Aug 4, 2011 9:24 PM MDT reply actions  

I like this lineup, the only thing being if RNH, Hall and Eberle can hold their own in the d zone, but the Smyth Gagner Hemsky line could be awesome especially for Gagner now playing with experienced wingers (Possible increase in faceoff percentage) and really shows if he can take that step to be a true 2nd line center.

Horcoff does for Omark and Paajarvi what he did for Hall and Eberle (I think Hall and Eberle are fine on there own now) and I think it will open up Omark and Paajarvi and they will produce more.

If RNH is over his head and gets sent down then I think Belanger slides in nicely between them, I would love to see Petrell play C on the 4th line, and allow Lander to get his feet wet in the AHL.

by Tanman37 on Aug 4, 2011 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

You know, there are so many potential combinations that I don’t see a lot differentiating the choices. As long as Gagner isn’t with the swedes and RNH isn’t thrown to the wolves there is little to worry about up front. The PP options should give ample room for discussion all year though.

It’s a shame about the defense and goaltending. Here’s hoping Gilbert and Petry run hot and stay healthy.

by till_horcoff_is_coach on Aug 4, 2011 11:15 PM MDT reply actions  

My favourites F-lines for 2010-11:
Smyth – Gag – Hemsky
Hall – Horc – Eberle
Paajarvi – Belanger – Omark
Eager – Brule – Jones
If Brule still IR, then Lander
Press Box. Hordichuk + Petrell
RNH – juniors
They never put Brule (1.85 mio) and Jones (1.5 mio / 2 ys) on press box, not for all the money they spend

by Screaming69 on Aug 4, 2011 11:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Putting guys in the lineup just because they make a lot has worked out great so far… (Khabibulin)

by Oiltank on Aug 4, 2011 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like your lines, but I would swap Petrell for Brule (if Petrell can win face-offs). If not, CVV or House. I see IR or waivers in Brule’s future.

it will be interesting to see if Jones retains the black hole effect this season.

by gcw_rocks on Aug 5, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Waivers ain’t happening this season. His medical status will prevent it.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 5, 2011 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Smyth – Gagner – Hemsky

Like you said can be used in a power v power role.

Hall – Horcoff – Eberle

Give them softer competition where possible so as to further development and they are still very capable against other power lines.

Paajarvi – Belanger – Omark

Paajarvi and Omark proved that when they have the puck it is hard to get it back, having Belanger means they will start with the puck more often than not and he can help them on defence. Also will be matched against softer competition, good for development.

Eager – Brule – Jones

Energy line, we all know what these guys will be used for. Luckily we now have a fourth line that actually has some skill so we can give them around 10 minutes a game meaning we don’t have to effectively lean on just having three forward lines like last season.

This IMO gives us three good lines which will always create match up problems for opposition, it is also a line up with good versatility, lines can be changed and different skill sets can be brought together etc. Also splits up the veterans nearly evenly amongst the youngsters.

by NZoilerfan on Aug 5, 2011 1:30 AM MDT reply actions  

I like this line-up a lot! I especially agree with sending RNH to the Juniors. He should not be given his 9 games until after the WJC. Injury call up maybe?

by PerryK on Aug 5, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can’t call up players from juniors unless their team has been eliminated, with some pretty rare exceptions.

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by dawgbone98 on Aug 5, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really like the top two lines Scott. 4-10-14 weren’t broke last season so I see no real reason to fix it and 94-89-83 would be a great compliment to them. Almost a 1/1A thing going on with those lines.

I doubt your bottom two would be something we actually see but they do make some sense. Ideally I’d play Omark in Petrell’s spot but if you assume that RNH will be here (which I hope isn’t the case but suspect will happen) then it makes a lot of sense to have him on the right side of RNH. But that makes sense and this is the Oilers so…

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