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Taylor Hall - #1 In the Oilers Top 25 Under 25

There's a really good chance Taylor Hall will remain in this spot for the next six years.  It makes me feel bad for the person that has to write this article when he's 23 years old.  I don't need to write flowery prose to describe how the young man from Kingston is progressing, everyone's seen it, everyone knows it.  What interests me the most is just how good he's going to be when those articles are published.

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RankPlayer DOBDraftedYearBen
Bruce
Derek
JaysenJonScott
1 Taylor Hall
11/14/91
1 2010
1 1 1 1 1 1

 

Previous Rank: 1

Shortly after last year's draft, I took a stab at projecting Taylor Hall's rookie year point totals.  Using no established methodology except an average of like players, recent history predicted Hall would total 22 G - 28 A - 50 P in 79 games, or .633 points per game.  Unfortunately for Hall, his season-ending ankle injury prevented him from playing in 79 games.  He did however, total 22 G - 20 A - 42 P in 65 games, or .646 points per game.  That's not a bad prediction, if I do say so myself.

One area where Hall's numbers lagged was power play points.  Hall scored 8 goals and added 3 assists on the power play and his 11 points were well below the 17 the comparable group averaged - the infamous Oilers' power play strikes again.  Whereas Patrick Kane totaled 39% of his points on the power play, Steve Stamkos 37%, John Tavares 46% and Matt Duchene 38%, Hall's power play production accounted for only 23% of his point total.  A competent power play gives Hall's points totals plenty of room to improve without Hall improving individually.

Comparing Hall's per game rates to the aforementioned peer group is eye-opening:

Year Player GP G A P G/G P/G
2005 Sidney Crosby 81 39 63 102 0.481 1.259
2007 Patrick Kane 82 21 51 72 0.256 0.878
2009 Matt Duchene 81 24 31 55 0.296 0.679
2009 John Tavares 82 24 30 54 0.293 0.659
2010 Taylor Hall 65 22 20 42 0.338 0.646
2008 Steven Stamkos 79 23 23 46 0.291 0.582
2006 Jordan Staal 81 29 13 42 0.358 0.519
2006 Phil Kessel 70 11 18 29 0.157 0.414
2009 Evander Kane 66 14 12 26 0.212 0.394

 

He's obviously not Sidney Crosby (who is?) but he's right in the midst of the Duchene, Tavares, Stamkos group.  A better power play gets him clear of the entire group and right in behind Patrick Kane.  His goals per game rate is even more encouraging.   Toss out the season in which Jordan Staal shot a ridiculous 22% and Hall is the best non-Crosby goal scorer in the group.  Wow.

How good was Hall's rookie season compared to other young players in recent history?  Since 2000-01, only 25 players under the age of 20 have posted a season with a better points rate:

Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, Steven Stamkos, Evgeni Malkin, Ilya Kovalchuk, Anze Kopitar, Patrice Bergeron, Patrick Kane, Simon Gagne, Marian Gaborik, John Tavares, Nicklas Backstrom, Jonathan Toews, Matt Duchene, Jeff Skinner, Brad Richards, Vincent Lecavalier, Jason Spezza, Rick Nash, Martin Havlat, Ryan Getzlaf, Peter Mueller, Wojtek Wolski, Nathan Horton

Since 2000-01, only 16 players under the age of 20 have posted a season with a better goals rate:

Alex Ovechkin, Steven Stamkos, Rick Nash, Ilya Kovalchuk, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jonathan Toews, Simon Gagne, Nathan Horton, Anze Kopitar, Marian Gaborik, Jeff Skinner, Patrice Bergeron, John Tavares, Jordan Staal, Radim Vrbata

Every time Scott holds a vote, Patrick Marleau and Mike Modano lead balloting, usually on playing style.  Add those two to the group listed above and Hall's comparable future is blinding.

Hall barged, banged and exploded into a group full of superstars and he has two more seasons to pass most of the players in that group. The Kingston Cannonball's goal music is going to blare quite often in the next five seasons.

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I’ve got a hunch that this post won’t generate quite the same level of discussion that the last couple in the series did.

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by ryanbatty on Aug 4, 2011 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Derek, your logic still doesn’t make sense. Can you explain it to me again? Oh, wait. None needed.

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by Neal Livingston on Aug 4, 2011 1:03 PM MDT reply actions  

There’s a really good chance Taylor Hall will remain in this spot for the next six years. It makes me feel bad for the person that has to write this article when he’s 23 years old.

I’ll do it next year and just say “BONER”.

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by Benjamin Massey on Aug 4, 2011 1:05 PM MDT reply actions  

I was thinking of just embedding his NHL Video page and leaving the rest blank.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 5, 2011 3:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Shots at net/game

Hall ranked 21st among F’s in the entire NHL in 5v5 shots at net/game with 3.02. By comparison, the wonderkind Skinner finished 70th with 2.54. Generating shot volume is a truer (read: more repeatable) skill than finishing (shooting%), which is why I’d rather have Ovechkin than Stamkos. Hall is going to be a huge scorer in this league. I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to anticipate 20 goals at 5v5 plus the PP improvement next season.

I am still concerned about the kid’s health going forward. When he was drafted, there was question about whether his body could hold up to the rigors of the NHL game given his cannonball style. After his first season, there is legitimate evidence to support that concern. I don’t want him to take his foot off the throttle, but I also don’t want him to be so fiery that he compromises his own safety. Does he have the composure to pick his spots, or are we doomed to watch him risk injury by fighting his own battles?

As an aside, going through those shot volume numbers, I found it interesting that Michael Frolik has generated the 11th most 5v5 shots at net over the course of the past two seasons of any F in the NHL. While he’s unlikely to usurp the big 3 to earn PP time in Chicago, he is poised to generate a ton of goals at 5v5 next season.

by ranford4life on Aug 4, 2011 1:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Frolik is a hell of a hockey player. Tallon is a moron for making that trade.

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by ryanbatty on Aug 4, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s still mind-boggling. He traded him for trinkets, too. Jack Skille for one of the best young forwards in the game??

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by Derek Zona on Aug 5, 2011 3:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

With a new start in Florida he could have just moved on from Skille but instead tosses good money after bad and makes one of the worst trades of the year. It’ll look even worse in a few years too.

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by ryanbatty on Aug 5, 2011 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

After his first season, there is legitimate evidence to support that concern

I actually thought that his rookie nhl season did a good job to refute those theories. His injury was as freaky as it gets. and he handled the rigors/physicality of nhl quite wel

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by SumOil on Aug 4, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sure his injury was freaky, but it was a direct result of him over-stepping his bounds and going beyond the limits of his his physical capability because of a lapse in judgement. That’s exactly what we were concerned about. As a result, he missed 20% of his rookie season and took himself out of the Calder race.

by ranford4life on Aug 4, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

And he injured a part of the body that just doesn’t heal all that well.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Aug 4, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

As a guy with an ankle two sizes too big, that does worry me about the kid. I hope he had a good surgeon and had excellent PT, but with the Oilers’ history in that regard, there might be cause for concern.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 5, 2011 3:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

What?
He injured his ankle after a fight. Had he bronken his hand/injured his eye, your concern would be more susbstancial. Sure he fought, but its not like he was doing a bad job at it and got pounded. His injury was not a result of a hit or any physical impact.
He could have injured his ankle skating/running/faling down. I think Hall adjusted very well to the physical style of Nhl and actually thrived on it.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Aug 4, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

But he didn’t injure his ankle skating or running or falling down. He injured it in a fight that he had ZERO business being in. I would submit that he only engaged in the fight because his competitiveness and instinct drove him to do it. He was hurt because he put himself in a vulnerable position with the way he plays the game. That was exactly our concern prior to the season.

by ranford4life on Aug 4, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

No the concern was that he wont be able to impose himself physically and often put himself in danger of on being on the receiving end of big hits. While I agree he shouldnt have fought, ankle injuries are not side effects of that. Furthermore, nwo that we have seen Crosby and other stars fight, there is really not that huge deal if he fights once in a season or two. With time/experience he should be able to chose his opponents more wisely.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Aug 4, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not a big deal he fights once in a season or two? Regardless of how freaky the injury was, guys get hurt in fights regularly. Just this past season, fights hurt Smid, Peckham, Hall, Souray. I’d prefer if my effective players avoided fighting at all costs. Also, Hall was on the receiving end of a number of big hits, one of which lead him to get into a fight, which caused him to sprain his ankle. To say that injuring himself due to his style of play is not a concern moving forward is folly.

by ranford4life on Aug 4, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’d prefer if my effective players avoided fighting at all costs

Exactly. There remains a mysterious mentality that fighting is part of establishing yourself in the NHL and that it was actually a good thing that Hall fought.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 5, 2011 3:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Crosby doesn’t fight legitimate NHL fighters.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Aug 4, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

With time/experience he should be able to chose his opponents more wisely.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Aug 4, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

You shouldn’t need time/experience to know that fighting guys like that isn’t a good idea.

And regardless of whether ankle injuries are a side effect of fighting is irrelevant. Injuries can happen when two people bare knuckle punch each other in the head. I’ve seen guys blow out their knees, tear their shoulder, strain their back and dislocate their elbows in fights. That doesn’t even factor in concussions and broken bones (hand and face) that you’d expect could happen in a fight.

We’re pretty lucky that Hall jumped him and hurt himself before the fight actually happened, or we could be talking about recovering from a concussion instead of an injured ankle.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Aug 5, 2011 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Smid (concussion), Peckham (concussion), Souray (hand, hand, career), Hall (ankle), Smac (orbital), and JFJ (shoulder, back) all agree. There’s no need for Hall to engage in that sideshow. To argue otherwise is ridiculous.

by ranford4life on Aug 5, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fighting is ridiculous regardless of who is throwing the punches. When it’s your top prospect doing it you just want to shut your eyes and imagine yourself in a happier place.

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by ryanbatty on Aug 5, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

This was Frolik last off-season:

http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/5/3/1455867/the-best-forwards-in-the-nhl-tough

He’s one of the best players in the league.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 4, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Out of all players who played at least 40 games last year Hall ranks second in penalties drawn per 60 minutes with 2.3/60. Opposition Dmen are already having a hell of a time containing him and are being forced to hook and hold.. Now if only Renney could improve that PP….

by melancholyculkin on Aug 4, 2011 2:13 PM MDT reply actions  

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