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Worst Defense - Colorado or Columbus? You Decide, Part II

In a shocking vote, you, the voters, declared Colorado's defense worse than Edmonton's defense.  I thought this was a shocker until I saw the futures odds to win The Stanley Cup, especially the Western Conference breakdown.  Columbus is 15th, with Colorado and Edmonton tied for 13th.  With shiny new goal-scoring forward Jeff Carter on board to complement Rick Nash, Antoine Vermette, R.J. Umberger, Derick Brassard, Matt Calvert and Ryan Johansen, it's tough to see how the forwards are at fault for the long odds in Columbus.  It's gotta be the defense or the goaltending, so I thought "Why not find out which one the public finds to be at fault?"

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As I did in the Colorado - Edmonton comparison, I've broken down the expected defensive depth charts by defensive side to make the comparisons more orderly.

Left Defense
Fedor Tyutin Jan Hejda
Marc Methot
Ryan Wilson
Kris Russell
Kyle Cumiskey


7.144
4.525

 

As with the last comparison, this isn't necessarily an apples-to-apples comparison - Kyle Cumiskey's contract will significantly alter Colorado's cost, which will be rather interesting because Cumiskey and Russell are essentially the same player.  Small, mosquito-like defenseman who get the benefit of protection and zonestarts and put up extremely similar underlying numbers.  The second-pairing goes to Methot, as he's played tougher competition with less zonestart protection and he's done a better job than Wilson has.  Tyutin wins the top pairing because he took Hejda's tough minutes job away last year and he'll handle it again this year.

Verdict:  The Blue Jackets win in a sweep.

Right Defense
James Wisniewski
Erik Johnson
Radek Martinek
Kyle Quincey
Grant Clitsome
Ryan O`Byrne


8.95
7.525

 

Wisniewski's enormous contract pushes the Jackets' total cost up and clear of the Avs' costs.  Wisniewki's numbers have improved so much over the past two seasons that I don't think his cap hit is bad, though the term remains indefensible.  His power play prowess might disappear after he leaves Montreal and he doesn't kill penalties.  He's also never played a shutdown role.  However, he's running slightly ahead of Johnson right now.  Quincey can handle himself in all situations and Martinek can't be counted on to stay healthy.  Clitsome needs protection in all situations and O'Byrne is ready to take on more.

Verdict:  The Avs win in a split decision.

Press Box
Aaron Johnson
Shane O`Brien
David Savard
Matt Hunwick


1.467
2.65

 

The Jackets have gone bargain-basement with their defensive depth - even the alternates to this not-yet sorted-out situation, John Moore and Nick Holden, are signed to sub-$1 million contracts.  The problem here is they aren't getting much value from those bargain deals.  Savard and Moore may someday be excellent defenders, but they're both still on their ELCs and aren't going to provide much help unless one of them decides he's Karl Alzner.

Verdict: The Avalanche win this one in a big way.

Total Cap Hit
17.56 14.7

 

Cumiskey's deal will make the numbers much closer, so the Avs can't win on value.  4 of the top 6 go to the Blue Jackets, but the Avs win the depth contest in a blowout.  I have a feeling this is going to be a close vote.

Poll
Which defense is worse?
Colorado
160 votes
Columbus
114 votes

274 votes | Poll has closed

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I really see O’Brien, Elliott, Holos, Barrie or Gaunce in that bottom pair role before we see regular Cumiskey ice-time. For all intents and purposes, he’s a faster Hunwick with worse hands. He’s AHL depth and I think the Avs know that.

With their frugal ways, I doubt they spent the money on O’Brien so that he can eat nachos. Just like Hunwick last season, O’Brien will likely see more ice even if there are more deserving players like Elliott or Gaunce.

Another indicator to consider is that the Colorado coaching staff has historically paired lefties with righties. The EJ-Hejda pairing works, as does just about anybody you can plug in on the bottom pair with O’Byrne. The issue is the plethora of NHL lefties. Quincey is a lefty, but so is Wilson, Hunwick, O’Brien, and Gaunce. If the staff is as consistent with the pairings as they’ve been in the recent past, then look for Holos, Elliott or maybe even Tyson Barrie to get a hard look in camp and possibly push Wilson down to the bottom pair as O’Byrne take the righties slot opposite Quincey. In summary, I see something more like this:

Johnson – Hejda
O’Byrne – Wilson
? – Wilson/O’Brien

with Hunwick, Gaunce, Cumiskey (lefties), Elliot and Holos (righties) filling out the depth chart.

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by Mike @ MHH on Aug 24, 2011 8:48 AM MDT reply actions  

I’m surprised that you see Johnson on the shut-down pairing with Hejda. Did he play that role in Colorado after coming over from the Blues? I thought the shut-down pairing this year was very likely to be Hejda and O’Byrne based on how O’Byrne was used last year (and how much success he had), with Johnson playing alongside Quincey in some more offensive situations.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 24, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think so. He was used in all situations. I think the Avs staff is pushing him to be able to be used in all situations. I agree with Mike, except I’m pretty sure he means O’Byrne/Quincey on the second pairing.

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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 24, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, my bad. Lost track of the names…

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by Mike @ MHH on Aug 25, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think (and this has also been somewhat proven by their historical use of pairings) that the Avs have one shutdown and one somewhat more-offensive minded guy per pair. Hejda and OB are the shutters-down and Johnson and Quincey will be the guys expected to lead the breakout. They will also be the guys on the point on the PP units.

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by Mike @ MHH on Aug 25, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that my terminology probably wasn’t clear enough. By “shut-down” I really just meant the guys playing the other team’s best forwards. I wasn’t really referring to a style of play, though I agree that they do seem inclined to go with complementary styles quite often.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 25, 2011 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK, I think we’re still in mild-to-average agreement then. It is somewhat striking the rigidity that has been employed by the Avs when it comes to building the pairings stylistically in recent seasons. Especially given the rash of injuries and the results therein.

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by Mike @ MHH on Aug 26, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

For Columbus, though you make some good points on the weak areas of the D (but I think Wisniewski will be a good fit), I suspect the biggest reason the Vegas lines look so awful is goaltending – specifically Steve Mason.

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by Matt Wagner on Aug 24, 2011 9:19 AM MDT reply actions  

Don’t forget Columbus also picked up Prospal who I think will be an awesome addition to the team as a veteran centre…. I actually think he might end up feeding Nash and Carter a lot. Columbus was stupid to let Hejda go, Hejda was stupid to sign with Colorado… if Columbus had picked up Martinek (HIGHLY underated) and had Wisniewsky and Hejda they’d be looking much better right now.

by Czechboy on Aug 24, 2011 10:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Columbus tried very hard to keep Hejda. He wanted too much term.

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by Matt Wagner on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I thought I read something where he was given a pretty mediocre offer… low term and salary? I don’t think he deserves billions by any stretch but he is clearly a great D man to have. I do wonder if he has an attitude problem or something since teams let him consistently walk for nothing…

by Czechboy on Aug 24, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

From what I understand, the offer wasn’t that different, money wise, from what Colorado offered, but he wanted four years, and Scott Howson was offering two.

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by Matt Wagner on Aug 24, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

4 years for him is kind of absurd…. shame as I think CBJ would be better off right now… I think they are better than Colorado for sure this season

by Czechboy on Aug 24, 2011 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Columbus spent too much time the past two years watching Hejda’s body begin to break down to give him four more years. I consider it a bullet dodged for a 33-year-old who blocks a lot of shots and had a pretty significant knee injury two years ago.

And I like Hejda. It was just too many years.

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by Dan P. on Aug 25, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Which is odd considering Hejda is now one of like 4 Avs with contracts beyond next season.

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by Mike @ MHH on Aug 25, 2011 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Columbus’s achilles heel has been goaltending for a while. Their skaters really have preformed that poorly, they’ve just haven’t been good enough to compensate for it like a Philadelphia, Chicago or Detroit have.

by Stephan Cooper on Aug 24, 2011 10:48 AM MDT reply actions  

I am still surprised that voters chose Edmonton to have a better defense than Colorado
But here I vote for CBJ having better D

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by SumOil on Aug 25, 2011 9:47 AM MDT reply actions  

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