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Individual Point Percentage in 2010-11

Cushy circumstances? You bet. Still elite offensive players? Without a doubt.

The 2010-11 season has been in the books for a while now, but I've just gotten around to looking at the individual point percentages from that season today. Individual point percentage is a caluclation of the number of times an individual player gets a point (either a goal or an assist) relative to the number of total goals scored while he's on the ice. So, for example, if a player is on the ice for fifty goals-for over the course of the season and he gets a point on forty of them, his individual point percentage would be 80%. I was first introduced to this statistic by Tyler Dellow who figured (quite rightly) that points alone don't tell us who's driving the play in the offensive zone, and that this little statistic might provide some help. 

After the jump I'll look at the individual point percentage for all of the forwards who played at least 50 regular season games in each of the last four seasons, and look at the best and worst performers from 2010-11.

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A lot of the really good offensive players in the league will find a home near the top of the chart, which is exactly what we'd expect from a statistic that tries to tell us about players that drive the play. You'll also notice that the year-to-year variation is quite high. Over a long period of time, the cream mostly rises to the top, but in any one season, you can get some funky results, similar to the kind of thing we see with shooting percentage.

The average individual point percentage for a forward who's played at least fifty games in each of the last four seasons (there are only 162 of them!) is 69.6% and the median is 69.8%, so that should provide some idea of whether or not a player is doing well. Any time a player deviated substantially from his four-year average, I've marked that in the chart below in either red (down year) or green (up year). The data I'm using is from five-on-five play only and the raw data comes from Gabriel Desjardins' behindthenet.ca:

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The list is largely what you'd expect with the stars cluttering the top of the chart along with a couple of fourth line surprises who only have a small sample of events in each season. Some of the top players missing from the top of the list also perform very well: Sidney Crosby, for example, was the league leader from 2007-08 to 2009-10, and was humming along at 89.0% last season before going down with a concussion. But the list passes the smell test: for the most part, the men at the top of this list are the players driving the play.

So what about those famous names a bit further down? Well, there's only one puck, and the best players tend to handle it a lot, which means that some top line players are necessarily going to be passengers, or will be required to cheat for defense while their linemates run wild (that both Sedins are in the top five by this measure while playing almost exclusively on the same line is amazing). Tomas Holmstrom, for example, generally plays with some pretty gifted players, so he's not going to be handling the puck a whole lot. Other surprising names who are below average by this measure include Stephen Weiss (who I've got to think must be cheating for defense), Dustin Penner (who looks like he had terrible luck in his first two years in Edmonton; tremendous luck in his last two years; or changed the way he played in the offensive zone in the last two years), Nicklas Backstrom (excellent player, but it's no surprise that Ovechkin is the guy driving the bus offensively), Jonathan Toews (his team has got a lot of explosive wingers who may be taking precedence in the offensive zone), and Dany Heatley (who had one of the worst seasons by a fifty-game forward in 2010-11).

A couple of those guys even make the "worst of 2010-11" list:

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Man, does Heatley ever look out of place. For the most part, we're looking at goons and plugs, but you've also got Heatley, Matt Cullen, and Mike Fisher, all guys who might be due to bounce back from some terrible luck or who may have lost a step or two. But as an Oiler fan, it's hard not to notice old Broken Foot Fraser down in second-to-last. His hard-luck off-season was preceded by some truly terrible luck on the ice: an on-ice shooting percentage of 6.12% five-on-five, and when the puck did go in, he wasn't getting any points. I'm not saying that Fraser is going to be a fantastic player or anything (far from it), but if he can keep an NHL job, he's due for a rebound, at least in terms of points. 

There are some more relevant familiar faces on the list of guys at the other end too:

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Linus Omark leading the pack! Omark had 19 points on the 20 goals scored while he was on the ice, which is a rate that simply isn't going to continue. At the same time, it does fit with my impression of Omark: the guy always wants the puck.

Jordan Eberle, meanwhile also puts up a big number, which is both encouraging and worrying. It's encouraging because that's about where he'll settle in if he ends up being an elite offensive driver in the NHL. It's worrying because an above average individual point percentage and above average individual shooting percentage (he shot 9.7% five-on-five) in a player's rookie season can lead to some pretty unrealistic expectations (just ask Sam Gagner). And as you can see by looking at the names on the list, any given year is a mixture of men who belong (Daniel Sedin, Rick Nash, Alex Ovechkin), young guys who might (Eberle, Michael Grabner, Claude Giroux), and guys who absolutely do not (Jean-Francois Jacques). We can only hope that as time goes on, Eberle shows that he belongs. 

Up for tomorrow: a look at the rest of the Oilers' forwards.

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Is this all even strength data? I’d like to do this with the Canes players because it’s interesting to see Staal was below-average through this stat last year. Would be nice to see where his linemates (mainly Cole) ranked here.

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by MyFriendCorey on Aug 19, 2011 8:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Yep, it’s all 5-on-5 data. Cole was at 75.6% for last season, which was the top number on the Hurricanes. I should probably just put the whole list up from 2010-11 since I’ve got it. I’ll put that in the hopper for later on this weekend.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 19, 2011 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alright, cool. I might look at the numbers for the Hurricanes later tonight for my blog anyway, but I’ll make sure to give you guys credit for the idea like always.

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by MyFriendCorey on Aug 19, 2011 9:40 PM MDT reply actions  

The info is very interesting, but I’m not completely sold on this being a good measure of who is driving play in the offensive zone, at least the way the phrase is commonly used.

A name that jumps out is Jamal Mayers. Looking at dobberhockey line combos it looks like he spent a lot of time with a lot of different players and his Corsi On was -8.14, good for 5th worst among forwards on the team, 3rd worst if you only look at guys who played 40 games or more. That’s not offensive-zone only and not getting into the specifics of teammates etc. but it’s hard to believe he’d be even in 75th percentile of forwards when it comes to driving play in the offensive zone, much less the top 10 overall. I know I’m picking a single bad example, which isn’t completely fair since just about any metric will have some players near the top that aren’t great.

More generally, the problem is that it doesn’t consider anything other than when goals are scored. Say you have a guy that loses the puck all the time but shoots a lot. He’s going to crush it in these numbers because when his line has scored, it’s pretty likely to be on his shot, a deflection or rebound. Him losing the puck all the time won’t count against him at all. Most wouldn’t consider a guy like that someone who is carrying the water, as it were.

It seems like this metric is better at measuring who is turning puck possession and territorial dominance into scoring more than who the play drivers are. Those are similar skills, but not completely the same.

by JaredL on Aug 20, 2011 12:41 PM MDT reply actions  

There are a couple of players near the top who probably wouldn’t be if they were playing higher in the lineup (more events to drive out the luck, better quality teammates who would demand the puck), and Mayers is one of them, but it’s not too tough to pick them out.

With regard to guys “carrying the play”, I guess it’s probably not the right phrase. I think this statistic helps us to understand which guys are handling the puck a lot in the offensive zone and helping to create goals. It doesn’t say anything about an ability to either keep the puck in the offensive zone or get it there in the first place.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 20, 2011 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right.

Hope I didn’t sound too negative, because “this statistic helps us to understand which guys are handling the puck a lot in the offensive zone and helping to create goals.” is a good description and obviously pretty interesting and valuable. It would be great somehow to combine this with something that takes into account how well the guy is keeping the puck in the zone.

I find it interesting how much this list is in line with perception about who the best players are. If you used Corsi or whatever then guys like Crosby, Ovechkin and the Sedins would do well and be pretty high up but here they are all right on the top of this list. With few exceptions the people most consider the best forwards in the game are in the top 25 or so.

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by JaredL on Aug 20, 2011 3:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Do you have this on file somewhere? It’d be interesting to look at individual team ranks (specifically the Flames for me).

by Kent Wilson on Aug 21, 2011 1:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, my file’s not that organized right now, but I’ll get a more complete list up soon.

The biggest fanana of the Havana Bananas.

by Scott Reynolds on Aug 22, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I got a lot of reading to catch up on for all that I missed over the weekend.
This is one of my favourite analysis. While I understand that this sort of shows who is handling the puck more in the offensive zone, is a deviation from the average an indicator of luck?
If so, then even of on ice sh% was ok for Heatley, does this show that he was just unlucky to not be a part of the scoring plays in the offensive zone?

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Aug 22, 2011 11:34 AM MDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily luck, but if a guy without a history of putting up a big number puts up a big number, there’s probably some regression coming. With regard to Heatley, I think it shows that he’s the guy putting himself in position to score in the OZ, not the guy handling the puck, and for whatever reason, the pucks either weren’t getting to him, or weren’t going in. He had the lowest shooting percentage of his career in 2010-11 so some of it was probably bad luck for him.

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by Scott Reynolds on Aug 22, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

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