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Edmonton Oilers Depth Chart - Projected Lines

The only things the Oilers need to be competitive in 2011-2012 are time, two NHL forwards, two top four defensemen (one of them on the right side), and a reliable veteran goalie.  Instead, they've decided to go with a bunch of kids, some ruffians, six bottom-pairing defenders (all on the left side), and Nikolai Khabibulin

The good news surrounds the Under 25 group.  Taylor Hall, Magnus Paajarvi, Jordan Eberle, Linus Omark, Jeff Petry, and Theo Peckham should all be better this season.  Couple that with healthy seasons from Ryan Smyth, Shawn Horcoff, Ales Hemsky, Tom Gilbert and Ryan Whitney and the team should at least move out of 30th place.  If the six in the Under 25 group all take enormous steps, Devan Dubnyk follows suit and the veterans have career years, they should be fun to watch.

After the jump, I'll work my way through the depth chart and projected lines, discuss strengths and weaknesses, and find the holes in the lineup.

Star-divide

The depth chart shows the obvious weaknesses on the right side:  Jeff Petry and Corey Potter are the 2nd and 3rd-best natural right defensemen.

Left Wing Centre Right Wing Left Defense Right Defense
Hall Gagner Hemsky Whitney Gilbert
Smyth Horcoff Eberle Smid Petry
Paajarvi Belanger Omark Peckham Potter
Eager Nugent-Hopkins Jones Barker Plante
Hartikainen Brule
Sutton Teubert
Hordichuk Vandevelde
Chorney

 

Scott has been harping on the fact that the Oilers are woefully thin at right defense and he's also mentioned that Cam Barker and Andy Sutton are both likely to play on the right side this year even though it's not their natural position.  It's not an ideal situation for Barker: he's trying to reclaim his career and he's going to have to do it on one of the worst teams in the league and on the wrong side of the defense. 

It's not going to be a popular opinion, but I believe that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is better off in Red Deer next season.  I guess there's a chance Gilbert Brule could get hot again and become deadline trade bait, but really, why saddle Nugent-Hopkins with Ryan Jones and Ben Eager?

Forwards

Smyth
- Gagner - Hemsky





Hall - Horcoff - Eberle





Paajarvi - Belanger
- Omark





Eager - Brule
- Jones

 

Bench:  Hordichuk

If Tom Renney was willing to carefully manage his forwards, this group might have a chance with Sam Gagner's line playing home power vs. power and Shawn Horcoff's line taking on the seconds.  Eric Belanger could play rover for Paajarvi and Omark and Gilbert Brule's line would play against other fourth lines in the gentleman's agreement.

But if he's not going to match lines, teams are going to target Belanger's line, then Horcoff's line and especially Brule's line if Renney chooses to throw them over the boards for a regular shift.  Teemu Hartikainen and Chris VandeVelde will start the year in Oklahoma City because Darcy Hordichuk brings toughness, or something like that, and the Oilers have a bizarre logjam on defense.  It's not an Oilers off-season without a bizarre logjam at some position.

Defensemen

Smid - Gilbert



Whitney - Petry



Peckham - Barker

 

Bench:  Sutton, Chorney

The rearguard is still two solid, top-four defensemen away from being a good group, and they are short on the right side.  I can't imagine Renney running Ryan Whitney and Tom Gilbert together, leaving the rest of the group to fend for themselves.  Cam Barker has demonstrated no ability to play top four minutes, so he's on the bottom pair with a whole bunch of power play time.  That leaves Peckham, but he runs the left side, so he's on the bottom pair too.  That brings us to Ladislav Smid and Jeff Petry in the top four.  It's not an idea situation for anyone involved, but Gilbert will put in his usual yeoman's effort and try to drag the top pairing along.  Whitney and Petry might be able to tread water if they're protected, but Peckham and Barker are going to need even more protection. 

I've got Taylor Chorney on the roster as of now because he's waiver-eligible, and we all know how the Oilers handle waiver-eligible players.

Goaltenders

Dubnyk

Khabibulin

 

DepthYann Danis

Yann Danis might be the best goalie in the group, but as long as Nikolai Khabibulin is under contract, he's going to be in the rotation.  Barring another legal incident, Khabibulin is here for two more seasons.  Fans are left to hope Dubnyk can post another league average or above season.

Penalty Kill Fowards

Horcoff - Smyth



Belanger - Jones



Gagner - ???

The top four penalty killers are going to be leaned on rather heavily because there's no one else in the organization that can kill penalties.  It doesn't bode well, especially considering Nikolai Khabibulin has been penciled back into the lineup.

Penalty Kill Defensemen

Smid - Gilbert



Whitney - Peckham



Barker - Petry

 

Sutton has received press for his penalty-killing abilities, but he's the seventh option right now.  The penalty kill is going to have to get by with the same personnel from last season.  

Power Play

Left Wing Centre Right Wing Left Defense Right Defense
Smyth Gagner Hemsky Whitney Barker
Hall Horcoff Eberle Omark Gilbert

 

There's talent here, but if Scott is right about Hemsky, the second unit will be more successful and gain more time as the season progresses.  If Omark (or Paajarvi) end up paired with Gilbert on the second unit, it's highly unlikely that they'll use the long-time Oilers' penalty kill tactic of holding the puck and staring down the pointmen before forcing it to one of them for a shot. 

My personal preference remains Eberle on the point and Omark in Gretzky's office.

The Oilers could've done much more to help the team this off-season, especially in goal and on defense, but chose to stick with the accidental rebuild strategy instead.  The most frustrating aspect of the current roster makeup is the heavy imbalance on defense and in goal.  It seems that ever since the Oilers sold Chris Pronger to Anaheim, they've become incapable of putting together a balanced lineup.  Someday they'll figure this all out.

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Accidental rebuild is probably the best description I’ve heard for this teams strategy.

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by ryanbatty on Aug 19, 2011 7:55 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Accidental rebuild is better than what the team was between 06-07 and 09-10. It was a re-bload: half reload, have rebuild. And it “blowed”.

I know intuitively that having a RHS RD is desirable — but aren’t the majority of teams out of balance on this? It’s certainly not a right-handed, left-handed issue — as there appear to be more LHS guys — who must be right handed naturally, but shoot left.

Lubo Visnovsky was a LHS, but regularly played on the RD — harder, but given the proportion of D men who are LHS — isn’t likely that several players have had experience playing on their off-hand side? Wingers are often like that too — some like to be off-hand, some have to be and get good at it (helps for puck protection, and for shooting on the rush), but others like to be forehand — like Hemsky.

Anyone have a sense if the RHS vs LHS depth for other teams is any better?

by Norman Mendoza on Aug 19, 2011 10:03 AM MDT reply actions  

It’s not a matter of handedness, it’s a matter of their established position. Those guys have all been LD for their careers. It’s not an easy switch to make.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 19, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Depends on the type of player you are.

A guy like Sutton or Peckham will have an easier time (and see less dropoff) switching sides than a like Barker.

The more you rely on angles and stick positioning to play defence, the harder the switch is. The more you rely on winning physical battles against the boards the less drop-off you will see in your play.

That being said, guys like Sutton can’t afford any drop-off.

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by dawgbone98 on Aug 19, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

You’re right, of course, but Sutton isn’t what Sutton used to be.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 19, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Derek why are you placing Omark on the checking line, knowing full well that Omark cannot play any defence. It doesn’t make any sense. Why have a checking line when 1/3 of it refuses to play any defence and would rather sit on the opposing teams blue line waiting for the break out pass.

by derrickhand on Aug 19, 2011 10:24 AM MDT reply actions  

what do you mean checking line? He has slated Gagner’s line for PvP and herc to take on the second toughs…So in terms of Qual comp rankings, ideally that line will be in the 7-9th range

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by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

What the hell is a checking line?

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by dawgbone98 on Aug 19, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Definition: A forward unit consisting of three players who specialize in defensive play.

by derrickhand on Aug 19, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not many teams use a designated ‘checking line’. It usually is just a power vs power role. Top lines playing each other,

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Defensive play against who?

The dedicated checking line is almost completely extinct in today’s NHL.

For instance, what was Edmonton’s checking line last year?

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Aug 19, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

No its not completely extinct. A few teams still use such lines.

Malhotra’s line in Van
McClement’s in St. louis

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by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Key word was almost.

Malholtra’s line wasn’t a checking line, it just started in the defensive zone. A checking line (at least in terms of how they were run) is when you are hard matching agaisnt another teams line with a set of defensive-only players (ala Moreau-Marchant-Grier vs Modano for 8 years in a row).

Malholtra was the default option for a lot of D-zone draws, but that was regardless of competition.

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by dawgbone98 on Aug 19, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who has one of those in the NHL today? Who needs one of those when you can run PvP and Horc’s line at seconds?

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by Derek Zona on Aug 19, 2011 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Hawks ran Bolland against the Sedins when he was healthy IIRC, but yeah the dedicated checking line is pretty uncommon.

by samspade on Aug 19, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s pick your poison.

You’ve got the Kesler line and the Sedin’s to worry about.

IIRC, the Hawks were running Seabrook+Keith and Bolland vs Sedins, Toews vs Kesler.

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by dawgbone98 on Aug 19, 2011 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am wondering if Belanger should take the Horc role and relegate the captain down to the third line. Belanger had a better p/60 than Horc at ES last season so maybe he is a tad better than Horc offensively.

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by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 10:34 AM MDT reply actions  

I guess the difference can be explained due to thier on ice sh% values. So not much to separate there.

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by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t break up what was working last year. See if Belanger can work with the Swedes.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 19, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Teemu Hartikainen and Chris Vandevelde will start the year in Oklahoma City because Darcy Hordichuk brings toughness, or something like that, and the Oilers have a bizarre logjam on defense

I dont think its Hordichuk who is taking thier spots. First of all CVV doesnt belong in the Nhl because of last season.
Also I think Hartikainen’s spot is taken by Eager. If Hartikainen were to stay on this roster as a 13th forward, then i think its better that he stay in the Ahl. Also it will be nice to see him have a fast start to his season given that he shouldnt have much adjustment issues.

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by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 10:41 AM MDT reply actions  

No you’ll see Omark traded and Hartikainen will take his spot. Hartikainen size and grit is was the Oilers lacked last year. Hartikainen has that ability to be a good checking forward with a scoring touch. Eager will play the 4th line. As to CVV it will be interesting what happens this year, he didn’t do that bad in the 11 games he played here.

by derrickhand on Aug 19, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I too think that RNH should go back to Red Deer and play some prime minutes. In case of an injury or something, they can always sign him to the ATO and give him a game or so sometime to see how he compares to the rest of the Nhl. And yeah the 9 game tryout is there as well. So give him a taste of Nhl and send him back to dominate juniors should be the right way to go about it.

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by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 10:43 AM MDT reply actions  

RNH....

He should go back to Red Deer for many reasons; not the least of which is that 6 months’ growth would be of great benefit (see his chronological age!).

Also, he could have a great deal of success playing at the WJC. Right after which, the Oilers could give him the 9 game opportunity. May be also play in the AHL if the Rebels get bounced early in the playoffs on an ATO like Eberle has done in the past.

Who knows, maybe he will make it impossible to send him back after the 9 games. At least he will be trying to win his job fair and square as opposed to being bestowed and burdened with a serious position of responsibility that he shouldn’t be ready for.

by PerryK on Aug 19, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Forwards who go #1 OV don’t go back to junior.

That’s just a fact.

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by dawgbone98 on Aug 19, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

For the Oilers it would best they sent him down. They have to see what Gagner will do before they trade him. Hope he has a good year and they will get a good return. The Oilers have a log jam at center and LW and need to unload some contracts before the end TC and having RNH play just compounds the problem at center

by derrickhand on Aug 19, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

3 quality players at a position isn’t a log jam, it’s a necessity.

We just haven’t had it in so long we tend to forget.

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by dawgbone98 on Aug 19, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

You have Horcoff, Gagner, and Belenger and RNH will not replace these 3. That leaves the 4th line RNH and Brule and ST has already stated that RNH will be sent down if he was only to get about 5-8 minutes per game. It’s better for his development if he played full minutes down in the WHL. You also have Lander knocking at the door, as will be Pitlick. Gagner and Brule will be traded, that is a fact, their days were numbered the day the Oilers drafted RNH.

by derrickhand on Aug 19, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Soon we will see one Horcoff/ Belanger as 4th line centers at ES and get heavy PK minutes. Of course this is contingent on RNH becoming ready for facing 2nd toughs and Gagner being able to handle the role of PvP center.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

By that requirement Belanger and Horcoff are as safe as safe gets.

Don’t start the clock on RNH’s ELC now for this roster. It’s insanity.

by gcw_rocks on Aug 21, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

No i am not talking about starting RNH this season. All I am saying is Gagner doesnt need to be traded. and we dont really have a logjam

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by SumOil on Aug 22, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Assuming that RNH is Red Deer bound, I agree. No log jam this year. Next year is a whole other story. With RNH likely making the team next season, and Horcoff untradeable, unless Belanger busts, Gagner could be the odd man out unless he makes himself too valuable this year. This is a HUGE year for Gagner.

by gcw_rocks on Aug 22, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

How long until RNH is a quality NHL player?

If we use the Bobby Ryan plan of attack, we are looking at almost 4 years before he’s an NHL regular.

Pitlick and Lander are both a couple of years away from being able to play non-sheltered NHL minutes.

The Oilers don’t have depth, they have youth and there’s a big difference.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Aug 19, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hope he has a good year and they will sign him to a good contract

There fixed that for ya :P

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by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I dont see a logjam at ES. But yes there is a fight for PP minutes, which is a good thing. If MPS progresses the way we hope, with time he will start eating into Smyth’s PP minutes. But for now I am confortable with the fact that the kids have to compete for prime ice time.

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by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nothing left to prove.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 19, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

He completely no showed in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Besides, there’s a difference between proving and developing.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Aug 19, 2011 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

He completely no showed in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Did you see those games or just the summaries?

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 19, 2011 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

No need to poison the well.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 19, 2011 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

He hasn’t proved he can dominate at the junior level yet. Sure he played well, but dominating and playing well are two different things. He also would benefit from working on his shooting and showing he can score more goals. Add that to a WJC opportunity and I think there is a lot left for RNH to learn at the junior level.

Plus its nuts to start the clock on his ELC for this roster.

by gcw_rocks on Aug 21, 2011 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I dont think Smyth will be top PK winger. He did not play much on the PK recently.
I think Jones will be on the 1st unit and TR will try out Eberle /MPS/ Eager as other wingers.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Aug 19, 2011 10:44 AM MDT reply actions  

100 % agree to Derek. They should be the saison starters, later will see.

We have to make with what we have and not what we would like to have and dont get (yet)

by Screaming69 on Aug 19, 2011 10:55 AM MDT reply actions  

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