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Goalies Of A Certain Age

In my post this morning I explained why I felt that the Oilers would once again be the worst team in the NHL's Western Conference. My reasons for expecting another season of futility are threefold: the lineup for the upcoming season is essentially unchanged from the squad that just finished last, the defense needed help but didn't get much, and Nikolai Khabibulin will still be the number one goalie to start the season.

Coming off one of the worst seasons of his career some would argue that Khabibulin couldn't possibly be worse. While I would normally agree with that statement I said the same thing about the Oilers last year, and I learned that just as lousy is another available option. So what can we expect from Khabibulin this season: better, the same, or worse? After the jump I'll look at how other goalies on the verge of collecting a pension cheque have fared in the NHL. 

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So what I've done is compile all the seasons where a goalie 38 years old or older played at least 10 games since 1983/84 when the NHL first started tracking shots. In all I found only 25 seasons that met the criteria; that's not a big number, but of the 25 seasons 17 have occurred since the lockout so most of the data is coming from a similar time frame. Then to get an idea of how each goalie played that season I've compared each goalie's save percentage to the league average that season.

Player Season Age SV% Diff
Tony Esposito 1983-84 40 0.859 -0.014
Glenn Resch 1986-87 38 0.904 0.024
Billy Smith 1988-89 38 0.852 -0.027
Reggie Lemelin 1992-93 38 0.862 -0.023
Glenn Healy 2000-01 38 0.885 -0.018
Mike Vernon 2001-02 38 0.899 -0.009
Dominik Hasek 2003-04 39 0.907 -0.004
Ed Belfour 2003-04 38 0.918 0.007
Curtis Joseph 2005-06 38 0.902 0.001
Dominik Hasek 2005-06 41 0.925 0.024
Ed Belfour 2005-06 40 0.892 -0.009
Sean Burke 2005-06 39 0.895 -0.006
Curtis Joseph 2006-07 39 0.893 -0.012
Dominik Hasek 2006-07 42 0.913 0.008
Ed Belfour 2006-07 41 0.902 -0.003
Sean Burke 2006-07 40 0.901 -0.004
Dominik Hasek 2007-08 43 0.902 -0.007
Dwayne Roloson 2007-08 38 0.901 -0.008
Curtis Joseph 2008-09 41 0.869 -0.039
Dwayne Roloson 2008-09 39 0.915 0.007
Dwayne Roloson 2009-10 40 0.907 -0.004
Chris Osgood 2010-11 38 0.903 -0.010
Dwayne Roloson 2010-11 41 0.914 0.001
Martin Brodeur 2010-11 38 0.903 -0.010
Nikolai Khabibulin 2010-11 38 0.890 -0.023
  • In total 72% - 18 of the 25 - seasons resulted in a save percentage below the league average. 
  • Dominik Hasek was a freak of nature to put up the numbers he did. Seriously 0.024 above average at 41 years old, wow.
  • Khabibulin's differential last season is the fourth worst on the list. With two more seasons before his contract expires he should have a good chance to post the worst differential.
  • Six goalies posted a save percentage more than 0.010 below the league average; only Joseph and Khabibulin returned to play another season. Joesph didn't improve with age and posted the lowest differential two seasons later.

Generally the data supports what I had assumed, namely that old goalies aren't very good. With the limited information available I'm not willing to say Khabibulin absolutely can't bounce back this season, but it certainly seems unlikely that he will. To be honest, I'd settle for average, but even that seems like a long-shot considering how far below average he was last season. Stopping the puck tends to be fairly important in the NHL and if Khabibulin plays like I expect him to and the team chooses to stick with him as the number one it will be very hard for the Oilers to avoid another last place season.

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I’d take Chico Resch’s .904 from Khabibulin this year, but I’m not going to hold my breath.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 16, 2011 4:36 PM MDT reply actions  

I could live with Hasek’s numbers.

I could live with Hasek. What’s he doing?

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by Benjamin Massey on Aug 16, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably destroying some Eurotrash along the boards in a friendly roller-hockey game, if I had to guess.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 17, 2011 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Still in the KHL i assume. He put up a .915 last year and led the league in starts with 46 (7 shutouts!)

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by Ubiquitous on Aug 17, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

The really troubling thing is the back surgery in there. The margin between average and bad is pretty thin and if Khabby has lost a half a step…forget it.

I don’t expect him to be of much use this year.

by Tyler Dellow on Aug 16, 2011 4:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Plus recurring groin issues. It’s one thing if the man has been a picture of health, it’s quite another when he’s been breaking apart for the last four years.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 16, 2011 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t expect him to be of much use this year.

No need to be so dismissive of his proven talents. He will easily find a niche mixing the drinks at the players’ bar.

by Yeti# on Aug 16, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who’d want a bartender who’d skim that much off the stock?

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by Benjamin Massey on Aug 16, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

That bench door won’t open itself.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 17, 2011 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

nobody said that K will be the #1 next season, he wasn’t at the end of last season – by the end of the year D was getting twice as many starts and was posting roughly 2.60 GGA as compared to 3.70 for the old guy. Renney said he will go with whichever goalie is playing the best. If Khabby is that bad again, I’m sure they’ll dump him. BTW isn’t a lineup filled with more veterans and second year [as opposed to rookie] players going to be better. Some improvement is inevitable. The dark cloud to this silver lining is the team will still be in the lottery.

by tikk talk on Aug 17, 2011 10:07 AM MDT reply actions  

Renney said on 1260 that Khabibulin is the number one guy to start the year. It’s defies logic that he would be but he has won a Stanley Cup so that’s probably a good enough reason to make him the starter..

Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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by ryanbatty on Aug 17, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think JW did something similar at ON and at Houses of hockey earlier in the summer.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Aug 17, 2011 10:20 AM MDT reply actions  

I will search and link his articles.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Aug 17, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hadn’t seen the Houses of Hockey post. If anything, I think this just adds to the conclusion reached by JW.

Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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by ryanbatty on Aug 17, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

When you find yourself rooting for mediocrity – you might be an Oilers fan.

Tending The Farm in OKC!

by Neal Livingston on Aug 17, 2011 11:49 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

And there we have it, the quotable of the day. You should compile a list of these and do a show at the local comedy club, ala “you might be a redneck”.

by proxy on Aug 17, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you think Olivier Roy will eventually lead us to a Stanley cup because his dad did it with both Montreal and Colorado……..you might be an Oilers fan

by DJFlynn on Aug 17, 2011 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Olivier Roy is not related to Patrick.

by TakeoutArtist on Aug 17, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

That doesn’t matter, it’s fucking hilarious.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Aug 17, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

We should sign the Roy kid who kicked the hell out of Bobby Nadeau. That kid’s a winner!

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by Benjamin Massey on Aug 17, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

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