Goalies Of A Certain Age
In my post this morning I explained why I felt that the Oilers would once again be the worst team in the NHL's Western Conference. My reasons for expecting another season of futility are threefold: the lineup for the upcoming season is essentially unchanged from the squad that just finished last, the defense needed help but didn't get much, and Nikolai Khabibulin will still be the number one goalie to start the season.
Coming off one of the worst seasons of his career some would argue that Khabibulin couldn't possibly be worse. While I would normally agree with that statement I said the same thing about the Oilers last year, and I learned that just as lousy is another available option. So what can we expect from Khabibulin this season: better, the same, or worse? After the jump I'll look at how other goalies on the verge of collecting a pension cheque have fared in the NHL.
So what I've done is compile all the seasons where a goalie 38 years old or older played at least 10 games since 1983/84 when the NHL first started tracking shots. In all I found only 25 seasons that met the criteria; that's not a big number, but of the 25 seasons 17 have occurred since the lockout so most of the data is coming from a similar time frame. Then to get an idea of how each goalie played that season I've compared each goalie's save percentage to the league average that season.
| Player | Season | Age | SV% | Diff |
| Tony Esposito | 1983-84 | 40 | 0.859 | -0.014 |
| Glenn Resch | 1986-87 | 38 | 0.904 | 0.024 |
| Billy Smith | 1988-89 | 38 | 0.852 | -0.027 |
| Reggie Lemelin | 1992-93 | 38 | 0.862 | -0.023 |
| Glenn Healy | 2000-01 | 38 | 0.885 | -0.018 |
| Mike Vernon | 2001-02 | 38 | 0.899 | -0.009 |
| Dominik Hasek | 2003-04 | 39 | 0.907 | -0.004 |
| Ed Belfour | 2003-04 | 38 | 0.918 | 0.007 |
| Curtis Joseph | 2005-06 | 38 | 0.902 | 0.001 |
| Dominik Hasek | 2005-06 | 41 | 0.925 | 0.024 |
| Ed Belfour | 2005-06 | 40 | 0.892 | -0.009 |
| Sean Burke | 2005-06 | 39 | 0.895 | -0.006 |
| Curtis Joseph | 2006-07 | 39 | 0.893 | -0.012 |
| Dominik Hasek | 2006-07 | 42 | 0.913 | 0.008 |
| Ed Belfour | 2006-07 | 41 | 0.902 | -0.003 |
| Sean Burke | 2006-07 | 40 | 0.901 | -0.004 |
| Dominik Hasek | 2007-08 | 43 | 0.902 | -0.007 |
| Dwayne Roloson | 2007-08 | 38 | 0.901 | -0.008 |
| Curtis Joseph | 2008-09 | 41 | 0.869 | -0.039 |
| Dwayne Roloson | 2008-09 | 39 | 0.915 | 0.007 |
| Dwayne Roloson | 2009-10 | 40 | 0.907 | -0.004 |
| Chris Osgood | 2010-11 | 38 | 0.903 | -0.010 |
| Dwayne Roloson | 2010-11 | 41 | 0.914 | 0.001 |
| Martin Brodeur | 2010-11 | 38 | 0.903 | -0.010 |
| Nikolai Khabibulin | 2010-11 | 38 | 0.890 | -0.023 |
- In total 72% - 18 of the 25 - seasons resulted in a save percentage below the league average.
- Dominik Hasek was a freak of nature to put up the numbers he did. Seriously 0.024 above average at 41 years old, wow.
- Khabibulin's differential last season is the fourth worst on the list. With two more seasons before his contract expires he should have a good chance to post the worst differential.
- Six goalies posted a save percentage more than 0.010 below the league average; only Joseph and Khabibulin returned to play another season. Joesph didn't improve with age and posted the lowest differential two seasons later.
Generally the data supports what I had assumed, namely that old goalies aren't very good. With the limited information available I'm not willing to say Khabibulin absolutely can't bounce back this season, but it certainly seems unlikely that he will. To be honest, I'd settle for average, but even that seems like a long-shot considering how far below average he was last season. Stopping the puck tends to be fairly important in the NHL and if Khabibulin plays like I expect him to and the team chooses to stick with him as the number one it will be very hard for the Oilers to avoid another last place season.
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I’d take Chico Resch’s .904 from Khabibulin this year, but I’m not going to hold my breath.
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
I could live with Hasek’s numbers.
I could live with Hasek. What’s he doing?
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Aug 16, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Probably destroying some Eurotrash along the boards in a friendly roller-hockey game, if I had to guess.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
The really troubling thing is the back surgery in there. The margin between average and bad is pretty thin and if Khabby has lost a half a step…forget it.
I don’t expect him to be of much use this year.
Plus recurring groin issues. It’s one thing if the man has been a picture of health, it’s quite another when he’s been breaking apart for the last four years.
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
I don’t expect him to be of much use this year.
No need to be so dismissive of his proven talents. He will easily find a niche mixing the drinks at the players’ bar.
Who’d want a bartender who’d skim that much off the stock?
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Aug 16, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions
nobody said that K will be the #1 next season, he wasn’t at the end of last season – by the end of the year D was getting twice as many starts and was posting roughly 2.60 GGA as compared to 3.70 for the old guy. Renney said he will go with whichever goalie is playing the best. If Khabby is that bad again, I’m sure they’ll dump him. BTW isn’t a lineup filled with more veterans and second year [as opposed to rookie] players going to be better. Some improvement is inevitable. The dark cloud to this silver lining is the team will still be in the lottery.
Renney said on 1260 that Khabibulin is the number one guy to start the year. It’s defies logic that he would be but he has won a Stanley Cup so that’s probably a good enough reason to make him the starter..
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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I think JW did something similar at ON and at Houses of hockey earlier in the summer.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
not accusing of copying his idea.....
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/06/19/redemption-for-khabibulin/
http://oilersnation.com/2011/7/22/nikolai-khabibulin-tim-thomas
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
I hadn’t seen the Houses of Hockey post. If anything, I think this just adds to the conclusion reached by JW.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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When you find yourself rooting for mediocrity – you might be an Oilers fan.
Tending The Farm in OKC!
by Neal Livingston on Aug 17, 2011 11:49 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
And there we have it, the quotable of the day. You should compile a list of these and do a show at the local comedy club, ala “you might be a redneck”.
If you think Olivier Roy will eventually lead us to a Stanley cup because his dad did it with both Montreal and Colorado……..you might be an Oilers fan
by DJFlynn on Aug 17, 2011 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Olivier Roy is not related to Patrick.
by TakeoutArtist on Aug 17, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
That doesn’t matter, it’s fucking hilarious.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
We should sign the Roy kid who kicked the hell out of Bobby Nadeau. That kid’s a winner!
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by Benjamin Massey on Aug 17, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions

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