2011 Draft - Forwards and NHL Equivalencies
One of my favourite tools in evaluating prospects is Gabriel Desjardins' NHL equivalencies. The basic premise is that we can expect each player to bring a portion of his offense with him from the league he played in last year were he to make the jump to the NHL. By observing how much offense other players brought from these other leagues in the past, we can estimate how much offense (on average) to expect from players from those leagues in the future. It's an imperfect assessment of player skill for sure - we're just measuring offense after all - and I think it's generally a better measure for forwards than it is for defenders (and goalies!), but it's one indicator as to whether or not players will one day find success in the NHL. It also gives us a tool to compare players in different leagues, although with young players it makes sense to cut the guys playing in the top professional leagues some extra slack. After the jump I'll explain the system with a bit more depth and look at the performance of each of the forwards drafted in 2011 from last season.
In the chart below, I've taken each player's goals, assists and points, converted them to a "per game" rate, multiplied them by the league equivalency number, and then expressed them as an "NHL equivalency" assuming an 82-game NHL season. As you may have guessed, each league has a different equivalency number. I've used this article for the translations from the KHL (multiply offense by 0.83), SEL (0.78), CZE (0.74), FNL (0.54), NCAA (0.41), WHL (0.30), OHL (0.30) and QMJHL (0.28); this article for the translations from the USHL (0.27), AJHL (0.16), and BCHL (0.14); and this article for the translations from High School hockey (0.0625). Unfortunately, especially at this early stage in development, there are a lot of leagues that don't have an NHL equivalency number yet including the U20 leagues from Europe.
Before I go ahead and put up the chart, a bit more explanation is needed. Not all of the players drafted in 2011 were actually the same age; in fact, several players had already passed through the draft at least once (and sometimes twice). All of these older players are included in the chart but are marked in yellow (which should help everyone to understand why their team passed on T.J. Tynan). Further, the "Draft Number" column is not the player's actual draft position but the player's position among forwards. So, for example, the Oilers drafted Tobias Rieder 114th overall, but he was the 71st forward to be drafted, so his "Draft Number" in the chart is "71". In addition, these numbers may be slightly different than the NHLE numbers you may have seen elsewhere for these players. That's because I include both regular season and playoff games in the results, which I think probably gives a better estimate. Most of these teams aren't playing a balanced schedule anyway, so it seems to me that including the larger sample of games is the way to go. Finally, the "Rank" column is organized by NHLE. The second number in brackets includes all of the players who don't have an NHLE ranking and inserts each one according to his draft number. I broke the chart into four portions so that it would be easier to read, but it's still quite small. You can click on the chart if you want to enlarge it.
The first thing that stands out to me is T.J. Tynan who was eligible to be drafted for the first time in 2010, but passed through despite a pretty good season in the USHL (17-55-72 in 60 USHL games). At 5'9'' size is definitely a concern, but that rookie season with Notre Dame is phenomenal. The CCHA is no joke, so I'd say that Columbus did very well for themselves. The other overager that stands out to me is Ondrej Palat who passed through both the 2009 and 2010 drafts. He was Sean Couturier's linemate in Drummondville, so there's got to be some concern that he was getting zoomed playing with the big center, but picking him up with the fourth-last selection in the entire draft seems to me like a highly worthwhile gamble.
The team that looks the best by this measure is Ottawa. The Senators have four of the top twenty players in the chart, and all four were eligible for the first time this season... and that doesn't even include their top-ten pick! Matt Puempel and Stefan Noesen were both high picks, but Shane Prince and Jean-Gabriel Pageau were both taken later in the draft. Prince fell mostly because of size, quality of teammates (he played with Tyler Toffoli and Ryan Martindale on a line that was just plain dominant), and a perceived lack of defensive awareness. Still, that offense he posted is only a touch lower than the very top of this year's class. Pageau fell for similar reasons, and his offense isn't quite as good, but it's worth pointing out that Pageau led his team in scoring during both the regular season and the playoffs. And as for Mika Zibanejad, well, he looks like a huge reach in the top ten, and I'll confess that I probably wouldn't have taken him there, but he was playing in the Swedish Elite League, so he probably deserves at least a little bit of slack.
As for the Oilers, their draft looks pretty good to me, but the third round smells. They took a goaltender, which is never something I like in the top hundred picks, and then followed that with Travis Ewanyk who, as you can see, has pretty much no offense. I like most of the rest of their draft, but it looks to me like the success or failure on this year's crop will depend a lot more on the defenders than it will on the forwards (with the rather large exception of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins).
Finally, I did this same exercise a year ago, so we can compare this year's results to last year's in order to get some sense of what kind of depth the 2011 draft had compared to 2010. In 2011, nine players who were eligible to be drafted for the first time in 2011 (and were actually drafted!) had an NHLE of 30.0 or better, and another thirteen were between 25.0 and 29.9. That compares favourably to 2010 when eight players were clear of 30.0 and another nine slotted in between 25.0 and 29.9. On the other hand, four players from the 2010 draft had a better NHLE than Ryan Nugent-Hopkins who was the top player in 2011. So at least by the numbers, the forward depth in 2011 looks to have been a little bit better even though the very top of the draft was quite a bit weaker.
13 comments
|
1 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Tyler Biggs, although I’m not a huge fan, is really hurting by this measure. Does NHLE have preference for certain leagues (weighted factors) as well? The USHL has pumped out a lot of D men in recent years but not too many big name forwards.
RT40 writes with An Oilers Refinery and is an avid hockey fan.
I’m not sure that I understand your question completely, but the USHL’s multiplier (0.27) is just slightly lower than the Canadian Hockey Leagues (QMJHL = 0.28 and OHL and WHL = 0.30), so if that’s what you mean by preference, it’s not a exactly a huge factor, but the USHL does get nicked a little.
The biggest fanana of the Havana Bananas.
by Scott Reynolds on Jul 7, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Nice work Scott. Have to say I’m not too fussed on the Ewanyk selection, although it might have been a bit early. Anecdotal evidence suggests he is very good at faceoffs and pretty good defensively, and in terms of offence I’d be more concerned if he hasn’t improved by this time next year, but for now I’m fine with it. We said the same things about Czerwonka last year (although again he was picked later), and he pleasantly surprised with his play. Never a bad thing to have Ewanyk-type players in the system, although I will again concede that perhaps the pick was a little high. The Oilers did say on Perhonen that they knew if they passed on him in the 3rd that he wouldn’t be available again, so maybe it was the same with Travis.
It seems to me that you need to have at least some offense to make it to the NHL, and Ewanyk plain doesn’t have any. It’s one of the reasons that a guy like Anton Lander is a quality prospect. Solid defensive skills and enough offense to get by.
The biggest fanana of the Havana Bananas.
by Scott Reynolds on Jul 7, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Ewanyk never played on anything resembling a scoring line and he didn’t get much PP time. By eye he got more noticeable as the year went on, and by stat he scored half of his 16 goals in his last 22 (of 72) games. There was lots of positive talk about his shadow job on RNH in the playoffs, and he also had a strong U-18 torunament. Jury’s out on the pick obviously, but he is not without promise.
Writer for The Cult of Hockey, The Copper & Blue, and primary shareholder of Zorg Industries
"Never be ashamed of who you are" -- Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 7, 2011 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I know this probably isn’t how it happened, but I can’t help but have a mental image of Tambellini watching RNH in the playoffs and thinking, “Oh crap, Ryan’s really struggling to score this round. Wonder if similar things will happen to him with us when we draft him. I know, we’ll grab the guy shutting him down so they’ll be no one to stop him in the NHL! I’m a genius!”
I liked Puempel because of his production, specifically his G/G. I wonder if we studied this going back to the lockout if we’d find a trend of teams taking players with higher NHLe?
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
I don't think you can use SEL in this.
Isn’t it hard to use an NHL equivalency for the SEL when 18 year olds rarely get significant ice time in that league? I’m thinking that the SEL equivalency must be for 23-24 year old players who are getting significant ice time.
It just seems impossible that Zibanejad would be the only SEL player on that list and that he’d be at 41.
To put this into perspective for Oilers fans, if you toss Magnus Paajarvi’s draft season into this chart, he’s also at 41 with 21.7 — just ahead of Mika.
Silver Seven: the Daniel Alfredsson of Ottawa Senators blogs.
Oops, that should have read 42 instead of 41 on both occasions.
Silver Seven: the Daniel Alfredsson of Ottawa Senators blogs.
It’s based on players going directly from the SEL to the NHL, so yeah, they’re probably older players in general, but that’s why I said at the outset that it makes sense to give players from the pro leagues (and NCAA) more rope if they happen to have a poor number. That said, sometimes young players in these leagues do wonderfully. Last season, both Granlund and Tarasenko had fantastic seasons in the SM-Liiga and KHL respectively, and rookies don’t generally get much time in those leagues either.
The biggest fanana of the Havana Bananas.
by Scott Reynolds on Jul 7, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess the big thing is that searching for offensive prowess in the later rounds of the draft is probably a poor idea. I would be interesting to fast-foward time to see how well Ottawa’s picks pan out offensively at the NHL level. With their incredible prospect depth on D, the Sens’ drafted for need in a big way.
As for the Oilers, our top-6 for the next half-dozen years is already largely determined. Therefore, I think we did a good job at this year’s draft – the D prospects are solid, and I don’t think it’s a bad idea to pick up really solid G prospects even in the late 2nd round.
I guess the big thing is that searching for offensive prowess in the later rounds of the draft is probably a poor idea.
Based on what?
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by 


























