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Anton Lander - #8 in the Oilers Top 25 Under 25

Anton Lander in his element: going for the puck, not going for goals.

I don't know what to think about Anton Lander.

I like good two-way centres, of course. I have the old-time hockey fan's fetish for a player who just makes life miserable for the other team, who doesn't get many points but earns his bones picking off passes, cutting out angles, making the middle of the ice a "no-go" zone, and winning faceoffs. I also believe that leadership, while difficult to define and even more difficult to quantify is a thing, and that by all accounts Anton Lander has it. Theoretically, I should love this kid to restraining-order levels.

But I don't. I don't hate him but I'm not convinced by him either. I mean, isn't a two-way forward supposed to go, y'know, two ways? While his offense had been improving it still wasn't inspiring (or, at least, not inspiring enough for me to rate Lander any higher than the mid-teens with the rest of the Oilers' good-but-not-great prospects).

Lander's last season in Sweden was fair offensively for his age and the team didn't give him much help. Hooray! With numbers like that surely he's moving up in the world. Yet I'm still not convinced that he hasn't taken a step forward and two steps back.

I'm not writing Anton Lander off. I'm not saying he won't have an NHL career, that I'm not looking forward to seeing how he does in Oklahoma City, or that I think we should forget about him and move on. I'm saying he's just another lower-mid-range prospect and ranking him eighth is way off the mark.

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RankPlayer DOBDraftedYearBen
Bruce
Derek
JaysenJonScott
8 Anton Lander 04/24/91
40 2009
14 7 10 8 11 9

 

Previous Rank: 9

That's right, I said fourteenth. Well behind Curtis Hamilton, another two-way forward you may recall who had a good offensive season last year. I've always been one of the ranking pessimists on Lander: I had him twelfth last spring (again behind Hamilton) and nineteenth in the fall of 2010. The difference this time around is that Jonathan Willis, once my comrade in cynical arms, raised Lander from 14th last time around to 11th this time, while everybody else continues to put him in the top ten.

Maybe this is just a different assessment of our priorities. Lander has long been considered a "safe" player, somebody who may or may not be a key asset but is almost definitely going to be a quality NHL 4th-liner at minimum. A lot of his fans would say he's there already. I usually like safe picks but Lander seemed like a safe pick for an unimportant position: we might not have a mediocre role-playing centre? Oh nooooo.

Lander's booster club will refer to his most recent season as a "breakout" campaign. Having been barely a two-digit point scorer through his teenage years, Lander celebrated his twentieth birthday by putting in some offense with Timrå, scoring eleven goals and adding fifteen assists. 26 points doesn't sound like a lot but it was good for third in team scoring, behind long-time SM-liiga standout Kim Hirschovits and former New Jersey Devils scrub Ilkka Pikkarainen.

Last year, Timrå IK relied on Lander in a key role, which sounds like a good thing. Unfortunately, Timrå was a pretty sub-par hockey team. Despite featuring a variety of players you've heard of like Sebastian Erixson, Daniel Corso, and my boy Jamie Lundmark, the Red Eagles finished a miserable 17-25-9-4 and escaped the Elitserien relegation series by only two points.

While picking up his career-best offensive season, Lander also had his career-worst defensive season. He couldn't have been helped by his goaltending, which was sub-par, but it's hard to make excuses for Lander's team-worst -14. Other leading scorers on the Red Eagles like Hirschovits, Pikkarainen, Gabriel Karlsson, and Martin Roymark ranged from +4 to -3. The only other players worse than -10 were hapless defensemen Mattias Karlsson and Jesper Dahlroth. Lander, in short, blew his brains out. If Timrå IK was the Edmonton Oilers, Lander would have been Patrick O'Sullivan.

It's easy to imagine what happened. On a team with little scoring Lander was told "Anton, we're counting on you to go out and get some goals." And Anton, who is a good teammate by all accounts, said "okay", started cheating for offense, faced off against higher-quality opposition on a more important line, and got himself thoroughly run over for his trouble. For somebody we've always been told was a quality SEL player as a teenager, Lander's 2010-11 season was bad. If an NHLer was just over half a point per game but posted a +/- like that, we'd want to buy him out.

That's why I view Lander's season not merely as "not a step forward" but actually a step back. We all expected that he was a kid who was already playing responsible, useful hockey, but as soon as he got more responsibility he wasn't up for it.

Again, I'm not writing him off. He is still just twenty years old and waiting for his first season in Oklahoma City. If he goes back to the basics at which he's already proven so adept he'll probably have a useful year. I just didn't see much in the way of forward movement in the past twelve months.

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You’re right ben – it is easy to imagine what happened.

But imagining it doesn’t mean that’s what happened. Truth be told, I haven’t seen anything to explain why that +/- was so bad, but part of it might be the obvious lack of depth on his team.

You might as well rag on Cogliano or Gagner for not being an effective shutdown centre on our third line. It’s clear that Lander’s not a first-line centre in the SEL, but also that he can score. One of the questions I had last year about the player (can he put up points?) has been answered. He can. However it looks like he wasn’t able to stop the competition while playing 1C in the 3rd best league in the world.

That sounds like most young Centres I’ve seen play.

Until I hear more about the details of what happened, I think it’s quite presumptive to assume that your imaginings are a semblance reality.

by Permaculture on Jul 28, 2011 11:49 AM MDT reply actions  

It’s not that Lander “wasn’t able to stop the competition”. It’s that he got completely speedbagged even relative to the team’s other first-liners.

I mean, apart from anything else, I did rag on Cogliano. Constantly.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 28, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

And terribad goaltending.
Remember when Horcoff had identical +/- to POS.
I must say -14 is not that impressive, but the kid is 20 and I am willing to give him a pass.
Ben you have CVV 16th and Cogliano 29th
CVV -6 in 12 games. Cogliano -12 in 82 games.
And this is after his worse showing in Ahl.
So do you really think that Lander is just 2 ranks above CVV?

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Jul 28, 2011 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again, the reason I had Cogliano so low was that the guys above him are probably shit but Cogliano is definitely shit.

Do I really think Lander is “just” two ranks above CVV? I gave CVV a bit of a “saw him good” bump, no doubt, but I didn’t I rank anybody above Lander who has even remotely given me cause to regret it.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 28, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, CVV is definitely shit.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Jul 28, 2011 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lander >>>>> CVV

Tending The Farm in OKC!

by Neal Livingston on Jul 29, 2011 7:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Against his peers he has been doing an excellent job… the last 2 WJC’s he’s been excellent for Sweden.

But I find it tough to hammer a teenager too much for being over his head in a quality men’s league. I question how much he’ll help the Oilers this year (a year in the AHL is what I predict), but not his longer term potential.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Jul 28, 2011 11:53 AM MDT reply actions  

Also, his goal total jumped from 7 to 11… I don’t know how much cheating for goal scoring he could have been doing.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Jul 28, 2011 11:54 AM MDT reply actions  

Oh, good, so he’s Jani Rita. (ranks him 30th)

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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 28, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Leaving alone the idea that Lander will only be a 4th line center in the NHL, I am curious as to why people think 4th line centers are not important.

The fact is, a center will almost invariably get hurt (on any given team) at some point in the season. This is an immediate promotion for your 4th line center, and you better hope he can atleast tread water.

Even if there is no injury to a center, looking at good teams from the last 5 years (my memory has been scrambled by drinks) it seems that almost every team to reach Conference Finals almost always had 4 solid (even if they are unspectacular) centers. I’m not saying that you need a Toews on every line, but it helps to have a 4th line center who can compare to other teams’ 3rd line centers in terms of ability. It just gives you more matchup possibilities and allows your top guys to rest more.

Or am I completely wrong here?

by DGotham on Jul 28, 2011 12:17 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t necessarily mean to say that fourth-line centres are completely worthless. Just that they’re replaceable, and replaceable for a lot less than a 40th-overall pick.

If I were running the Oilers and I needed a 4C, I wouldn’t say “boy, I hope that Lander kid comes along sooner rather than later!” If I thought he was up for it I’d call him up. If I didn’t I’d sign 2011 Marty Reasoner for six bucks an hour, or grab a 29-year-old from Finland who’s been sawing off the best for three years. These guys grow on trees.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 28, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can find a 4th line center who is a serviceable 4th line center, yes.

But finding one that can keep his head above water if he needs to be a 3rd line center? And he is willing to sign for little money? I think these type of centermen are becoming more valuable by the day. Is there anyone left in free agency that fills this void? I think that Belanger will this year but that was an expensive option (which is fine cause we aren’t near the cap) but at some point Edmonton is gonna need to properly budget for these type of players, and the free agency can be expensive.

What is the name of the centermen kid from Finland we picked up again anyway? Do you think he is capable of this role?

Man I miss the days of Horcoff-Stoll-Peca-Reasoner

by DGotham on Jul 28, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

The prmise of the article is based on him not looking at Lander as anything more than 4th line center. I think thats way too pessimistic.
As to his 2-way game, Can someone please post his NHLEs with respect to the other 2nd round picks in the last 2 seasons taken by Oilers

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Jul 28, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

ok jsut checked. Lander’s NHLE is 31.3. I think it is the same ball park as Hamilton, no? And this while playing a tougher league than Ahl; forget CHL

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Jul 28, 2011 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am curious as to why people think 4th line centers are not important.

Because they are 100% replaceable at just above league minimum. Setting aside goons (who have negative worth) 4th line forwards are near worthless.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 28, 2011 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who are these amazing 4th line centers who are making just above league minimum?

by DGotham on Jul 28, 2011 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who said “amazing”?

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by Derek Zona on Jul 28, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

i think it would be amazing if these guys did make near league minimum, because that’s not the going price on 4th line centers these days. you go after a guy at near league minimum and while you will get a guy who treads water sometimes, you will also get a few guys who completely sink.

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by Triumph44 on Jul 28, 2011 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is exactly my point. having an “ok” 4th line centre is not going to cut it in the long run. all the good-great teams have good centre depth, guys who can fill in if need be. you are not going to get a quality centremen for league minimum unless you sign some 37 year old vet to a hometown discount contract. risky proposition that is.

by DGotham on Jul 28, 2011 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

all the good-great teams have good centre depth, guys who can fill in if need be

Who are these better than “ok” centres? 4th line centres are commodities.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 29, 2011 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

they’re commodities that go for a lot more than league minimum, though.

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by Triumph44 on Jul 29, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

But I will agree that I think people overvalue Lander’s ability.

In my opinion, he is the centermen (and hence more valuable) version of Harty. A guy who can fill in for important duties and if injuries happen. A solid mix of hard work, ethic, and “ask me and I’ll do it” attititude.

Not a bad thing to have on a team full of skill players.

by DGotham on Jul 28, 2011 12:21 PM MDT reply actions  

I think people overvalue Lander’s ability.

He is talked about as a potential 3rd line center capable of maybe getting to 2nd line during injury or etc. I dont know anyone who thinks any higher of Lander. I think its kinda fair. Maybe on the optimistic side but certainly not overvaluing. Noone is saying he is untouchable or anything of that sort.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Jul 28, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

But Ben, you’ve forgotten that he’s really, really, REALLY good in the room. This guy is like Jason Strudwick on steroids (assuming that Strudders wasn’t on steroids). He can literally carve opponents apart with the sheer will of his leadership and charisma.

by Yeti# on Jul 28, 2011 12:32 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Anton the Lander

The lad is the ripe old age of 20. He’s been playing in the SEL, mostly against men. Year over year he’s improved offensively, perhaps not so much defensively. I suggest, (as one other poster did,) that he was directed to focus on offense. ( It wasn’t a high scoring team, it’s likely that he had more offensive upside than did any of his team mates.)

So he did, at the expense of defence. Or at least that’s MY take on it. Unfortunately for the team it wasn’t enough, they still missed the playoffs.

Anton Lander is coachable, evidenced by his skating progress if by no other yardstick. He comes to play, hates losing, by most accounts a leader, pretty much liked by all. Mr. Lander will be will be playing full time in the NHL once his apprenticeship in the AHL is over and done with. My guess is sooner than later. He’ll one day wear an “A,” he’ll score 40+ points on a consistant basis, and he’ll make MBS yet one more time look genius. (Not that MBS will need it, too much evidence without Mr. Lander.)

So. In summary. He’s a keeper, and in 4-5 years he’ll be one of the guys lifting the Stanley Cup in his city of choice. . .

by Harbinger on Jul 28, 2011 6:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Ease up a bit, everyone remember reasonable expectations? 40+ points for a 3rd liner? would be nice, but is not the norm around the league.

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by OilLeak on Jul 29, 2011 12:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well his nhle is 14-20-34, and he’s only 20 years old. 40+ points seems within reason to me.

by shoc_doc on Jul 29, 2011 12:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Granted, but 3rd liners generally don’t get the kind of ice time necessary to reach that number.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Jul 29, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

With regards to Lander’s plus minus this season, apparently he was -4 through the first 42 games, and then -9 in the last 7 when the team was in a free-fall. His offensive production was also better during those 42 games. While it is still concerning, it doesn’t seem to jive with him “cheating” for offense at all.

by shoc_doc on Jul 28, 2011 11:16 PM MDT reply actions  

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