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Ryan Martindale - #15 In the Oilers Top 25 Under 25

What a lackluster entrance. It's like he doesn't even care.

Ryan Martindale is a player that we don't have a lot of consensus on. On the one hand, we've got a 6'3'' center who finished in the top twenty in OHL scoring last season. On the other hand, we've got a player whose effort and commitment is consistently questioned, whose team was swept in the first round of the playoffs (although he did score five points), and who put up those big numbers playing on the same line as the guy who actually led the OHL in scoring. He might have enough talent to be an excellent middle-six center in the NHL, or he might be a guy who never plays even one NHL game.

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RankPlayer DOBDraftedYearBen
Bruce
Derek
JaysenJonScott
15 Ryan Martindale 10/27/91
61 2010
10 21 23 17 17 11

 

Previous Rank: 15

I tend to be on the optimistic side. Offensively, Martindale is tracking ahead of many of the players chosen before him, and he played on one of the most dominant even strength lines in the OHL (Martindale had the lowest +/- of his three linemates at +38), which isn't the kind of thing that happens if the center is out there picking cherries. That he might be getting pumped by playing alongside Tyler Toffoli is, I suppose, a small concern, but the fact is that Toffoli isn't some kind of generational talent, and it's hard to see how Martindale's line could be one of the best without the big centerman playing an important role.

That things like effort, consistency, passion, and a certain je ne sais quoi that scouts just don't see are the big knocks against him is, to me, even more reason for optimism, mostly because it just doesn't seem possible. After all, if it's true, Martindale is putting up 1.28 points per game and dominating at even strength as a lazy, inconsistent, passionless young man who just needs to grow up. And if it's not true, then he's just a very good center with size. It's a win-win!

The recent scouting reports haven't changed much from what was said in Martindale's draft year. Here's Sean Keogh from January of 2011:

He looks a step quicker and more assertive than last year. Had a number of nice plays making quick cuts into the middle, but seemed to rip the shot high or wide every time. Cycled well with his linemates, uses his reach better now, and finds guys effectively, but there is always something just a tad missing.

There's that je ne sais quoi again! Everything looks good, but...

And here's Scott Campbell from November of 2010:

It's really going to come down to consistency. Martindale lacks the competitiveness you like to see out of NHL players, and unless he starts to find some jam in his game I have a hard time envision him making the jump to the NHL in the future. He's even going to find that there's a lot of players with drive in the AHL, and unless he turns his game up a notch night in, night out, he could find himself quickly sliding down Edmonton's prospect depth chart... [When he's on his game] I guess he's a little bit like Joe Thornton in a way. He's a big guy that can make things happen and make his linemates better players but he always seems to leave more to be desired. I've seen the best and worst of Martindale, but when he's on, he's a difficult player to shut down and he can make things happen every shift... When he's not, he's just a body out there. So if you know any 6'3" centers that don't do a whole lot of anything, that's about what you're getting with Martindale when he's not in the game.

From those reports I gather that he still lacks consistency, competitiveness, jam, and drive; he always leaves you wanting more. Except that he can also make his linemates better, score, skate, and use his body effectively to win pucks if not to break bones. I've rated Martindale higher than most because I think he's got tremendous potential and is tracking like a guy who might realize it. But if those reports are right, it seems like what he needs is to be challenged. Luckily, he's old enough to play in the AHL next season! Unfortunately, the Oilers have given contracts to others instead, and may well send Martindale back to the OHL. I'm really hoping that the Oilers sign the young man, but if they don't, at least I have another reason to rail on them if things don't work out. It's a win-win!

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Nice article. I, too, would have like to have seen him signed and in OKC this year over a player like Arcobello. If all he needs to do is grow up then:
1) starting the process sooner by putting him around professional hockey players would be a good thing
2) score! we have a hot prospect for the second line centre role that I beleive is still up for grabs

I keep hoping for a 2 for 1 deal that will free up a spot for the kid.

by gcw_rocks on Jul 21, 2011 11:53 AM MDT reply actions  

When this is all done, I would love to see how all six lists compare beside each other.

by DarrenV on Jul 21, 2011 11:58 AM MDT reply actions  

We always provide that. This is the winter set.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 21, 2011 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

3rd round draft pick who was #5 in OHL scoring and drawing comparisons to Joe Thorton. Considering that most 3rd round picks never play in the NHL, I’d say Martindale is showing himself to be a 3rd round steal… even if he doesn’t pan out as an NHLer

by loose teeth on Jul 21, 2011 12:01 PM MDT reply actions  

From those reports I gather that he still lacks consistency, competitiveness, jam, and drive; he always leaves you wanting more. Except that he can also make his linemates better, score, skate, and use his body effectively to win pucks if not to break bones.

Put 50 pounds on him and he’s Dustin Penner.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 21, 2011 12:02 PM MDT reply actions  

To me he’s one of our more intriguing prospects based on the above quote. He and Prince always get knocked on how they’re on dominant lines and how they’re numbers are overly optimistic. Is it really Toffoli who’s driving the bus? Would love to see what he can do in the AHL.

It’s not scientific, but for what it’s worth, he has been recognized for his face-off skills:

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/article/eastern-conference-coaches-poll-winners

by OilPen on Jul 21, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I need to re-rank!

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by Derek Zona on Jul 21, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, that’s exactly what I was thinking of.
Cheers.

by DarrenV on Jul 21, 2011 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t know why the Oilers haven’t signed him, unless they have soured on him.

He already has 4 full years in the OHL, no reason for another one.

Can someone call him and ask? You don’t have to go through Allan Watt as he isn’t Oiler property.

Call his agent maybe?

by Woodguy on Jul 21, 2011 12:33 PM MDT reply actions  

And yes I know the Oilers are at 49 contracts now that 13 is gone.

If they wanted the kid you think they would have signed him before insert AHL guy here

by Woodguy on Jul 21, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nuthin left to Prove

Should his agent be looking for a 1-year deal with an European pro team?

Make some money.
Play against adults.
See the world.

by Mr DeBakey on Jul 22, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

The fun part about that Prince – Martindale – Toffoli line will be finding out which kid was driving the bus and who among the Oilers, Senators and Kings got it wrong.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 21, 2011 3:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Well to be fair, even if it turns out Martindale was along for the ride, I wouldn’t say they got it wrong. He was a third-round pick, after all.

by Adam Dyck on Jul 21, 2011 3:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

But they could have landed Toffoli a round earlier.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 21, 2011 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Though Marincin looks like an alright pick as well and that is the real comparison. Taking Martindale a round later is no indication of their preference of him to Toffoli.

by till_horcoff_is_coach on Jul 22, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not talking about their preference. I’m saying they all had a shot at each guy and took a different player. It will be interesting to see who was correct.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 22, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree that it will be interesting to see the result, but a team doesn’t end the draft with every player they wanted.

LA clearly made the choice between the players. Edmonton obviously thought Marincin was higher than both (or a better gamble that Toffoli/Martindale would be available). Their actions in no way state they thought more of Toffoli than Martindale.

by till_horcoff_is_coach on Jul 22, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do the Oiler need another body at centre at the professional level, right now?

I think where Nugent-Hopkins is going to play, if O’Marra or Vande Velde can sneak onto the bottom of the roster and whether Pitlick is going to be a winger or centre going forward needs to be sorted first. I can understand why the team would put off signing him for a year.

by David Supina on Jul 21, 2011 3:16 PM MDT reply actions  

If I was building the OKC roster, I would have brought Martindale in, not qualified O’Marra, and would send Pitlick back to the CHL.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 21, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Oilers want to have a competitive AHL squad, and quality veteran centres for Hamilton and PItlick to play with. Do you want Martindale with meagre 4th line minutes, or in the ECHL rather than in the AHL. Lander, VandeVelde, O’Marra, Kytnar, Accobello.

Giving Martindale a Toffoli-free year in Ottawa without a contract might not be a bad thing. See how badly he wants to work for one.

by godot10 on Jul 21, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

As Scott said take Omarra out of there and put in Martindale. Furthermore, Martindale doesnt really need to play center. Starting as a winger might help ease the transition to the pros.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Jul 21, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is there some reason that Toffoli won’t be in the CHL next year? Unlike Martindale, he’s not eligible for the AHL, and I doubt he makes the Kings, so he’s probably back in Ottawa.

As for the AHL club, I’ve got no problem making Martindale work for a spot in OKC next year. As I said earlier, I’d have ditched O’Marra, which leaves House, Kytnar, Lander, Martindale, and VandeVelde down the middle competing for ice time. There’s no AHL superstar there, but Martindale is the only one under 25 without pro experience. There are always injuries, so all five of these guys will get a chance to play, and if there’s enough experience on the wings, I think that group would be fine.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 21, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

It seems like O’Marra is a big part of the plans in OKC. They need some minor league vets down there, and I can think of worse things to have than a big hungry young centre who has had a couple of tastes of the NHL life and surely thirsts for more. OKC needs some veteran help not to mention some continuity. I don’t mind the re-signing.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 21, 2011 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Toffoli and Prince were a big part of why I thought EDM would want to move Martindale along.

OK, so he did very well (dominated too strong?) playing with Toffoli and Prince last season. Neither is likely to make their NHL team, so how will sending Martindale back to the OHL, to play with the same guys as last year, help his development?

If inconsistency is his problem, how will that be helped by sending him back to the OHL where he might well be playing with the same players, but another year older, where he has already been able to get by (supposedly, I haven’t seen him so I have no comment on that particular knock) without the effort some might like to see?

by hockeysymposium on Jul 21, 2011 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Jul 21, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Martindale is the prospect in the system I have the toughest time forming a definite opinion on.

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by Jonathan Willis on Jul 21, 2011 4:34 PM MDT reply actions  

I am erring on the side of pessimism with him.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Jul 21, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

To good to be true?

Hard being an Oilers fan.

Hard.

by Jaysen Knight on Jul 21, 2011 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s interesting because he’s really high on Bunz who had less statistical dominance than Martindale

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by Derek Zona on Jul 21, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. Bunz was among the top three goalies in his league in save percentage, goals against average, and points percentage. Martindale was the third highest scorer on his line. Yet somehow he’s more statistically dominant?

I’ll admit that Martindale did score more goals than Bunz.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 21, 2011 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bunz has one year of decent stats.

Martindale has history on his side.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 21, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

actually Martindale too has one year of dominance as well.
I agree that his draft year was merely average, but better than that of Bunz.
But Bunz’s season was far more superior than that of Martindale.

Furthermore his production was lesser than his linemates.
Also Derek if you checked my list i have Martindale ahead of Bunz. All i said was I am not as optimistic about Martindale as Scott is. I have him at 17 exactly where Jon and Jaysen have him.

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on Jul 22, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

He’s so lazy! If he tried harder he’d be Mario Lemieux!

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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 21, 2011 4:59 PM MDT reply actions  

I have a hard time figuring out what made Peter Holland a mid-1st rounder and generally considered a top prospect, while Martindale a 3rd rounder who is questionable as a legit prospect. I can hardly tell the difference between the two players.

by ykmisfit on Jul 21, 2011 7:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Interesting observation. Holland is a year older.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 21, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Scott, great photo seleciton. I thought that setup was weak before… I guess I don’t remember seeing all of the photos that came out of it.

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by Lisa McRitchie on Jul 22, 2011 10:06 AM MDT reply actions  

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