Andrew Cogliano: Anaheim Bound
by Lisa McRitchie on Jul 12, 2011 11:14 AM MDT
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It was announced Tuesday July 12th that Edmonton Oilers' first round pick Andrew Cogliano has been traded to the Anaheim Ducks. Cogliano was selected 25th overall in the 2005 NHL entry draft and in return the Oilers will receive the Ducks' second round pick in the 2013 draft.
Cogliano has not missed a game in his career due to injury despite lost teeth and mouth cysts incurred in the past season. Some have argued that Cogs should be (or should have been) moved to the wing due to his poor performance on the dot, but I have always argued that he is not the only Oiler who suffers in that regard.
In addition to a drastic increase in the number of injuries to the speedy, small centreman, Cogliano attempted to re-invent himself as a penalty kill specialist to ensure he had a role in the re-building Oilers team. Although in the end it is clear that the Oilers saw the team taking a different route, the Ducks must have seen the value in the often-available player.
Cogliano had filed for salary arbitration this summer and was scheduled for July 21st. Speculation had Cogliano being awarded approximately $1.5 to $2.1 million per year. Had the Oilers decided that they didn't see the value at that price tag, Cogliano would have been a UFA, free to sign with any team of his choosing. This situation was made more interesting because it looks as though the Oilers will have a bit of a log jam at centre this year if Anton Lander and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins prove that they are deserving of roster spots straight out of training camp.
It didn't take long for Cogliano to become one of my favourite Oilers, even while he was still a prospect. I admired his work ethic, that he didn't seem to complain as the lines were shuffled or as his minutes decreased. Instead, Cogliano persevered and worked on other aspects of his game to make himself more valuable.
Cogliano will join fellow ex-Oilers Kurtis Foster, Jean-Francois Jacques and Jeff Deslauriers on the Anaheim Ducks. There is some question about whether or not Cogliano will be moved to the wing, or whether the team will continue to work with the 24 year-old at centre. One would think that this decision wouldn't be made until after training camp, or perhaps even after the pre-season. It would be easy to expect some line-shuffling and a few linemate experiements before Cogliano finds his new place. Of course this is all dependent upon Cogliano agreeing to contract terms with the Ducks, but an agreement in that regard seems overwhelmingly likely.
A second round draft pick does not help to make this team better or more competitive now and the team has lost another NHL player. There is still a lot of hope for the prospects that are ready to make the league and the team, this year or next, but does this move help the Oilers get better this season? Maybe, if the Oilers can now use their now open 50th contract spot to, say, sign another NHL goalie. We all know that this is a dream that Scott dreams, and who among us can't dream that. Another point that Scott made to our Copper and Blue family discussion is that the second round pick of the 2013 draft would likely not make the team until the 2015-16 season at the very earliest, and that seems to be the biggest point of contention that fans may have with the return.
It is true that the Oilers found themselves in an unfavorable situation with Cogliano looking for an arbitration settlement and a raise, and a plethora of attractive prospects looking for spots on the team (including a first overall draft pick at centre), but I have to add that I was truly disappointed with the headline on the Oilers' pipeline email, the method I discovered that one of my favourites had been traded: "Oilers acquire second-round draft pick" doesn't seem like a fitting goodbye to the man who played 328 consecutive games for the Oilers.
With a trade to a western team, like Bruce and his beloved Zorg, I will at least have the benefit of seeing Cogs play the Oilers four times a year. I won't lie to you, should Cogliano be the next unexpected ex-Oiler to score a hat-trick against his old team I won't complain (well not too much or too loudly).
I wish Cogliano luck in his new role with his new team across the street from the "happiest place on earth" and hope that for him, that phrase will ring true.
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I was hoping that if they were going to move Cogs, it would have been for an overpriced, but useful veteran defenceman.
Beans are nice, but as a side dish. This team doesn’t need to be trading cheap, useful players for nothing.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
For a guy who would probably slot in on the 4th line
2M per year (or just under) is still pretty expensive. I liked Cogs, but he obviously wasn’t in their future plans, so it’s better to get something out of him then let him go for nothing. The pick just amounts to one more tradable asset in the future.
He made $1.0 mil last year.
Let’s put this in perspective here… that’s less than Ben Eager.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
But Ben Eager’s played in the playoffs. Can’t say that about Cogs.
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Does tambi know he can trade with the other conference? Most GMs don’t like to trade withing thier own conference so the players traded don’t haunt the team.
It seems strange to me too, especially since Cogs seems as though he might fit in with the style of a few teams in the East more. I think that the western GMs have better relationships with eachother because they see eachother more often.
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by Lisa McRitchie on Jul 12, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
It sometimes seems
That the only Eastern teams we deal with are Philly and the Rangers.
by hellofasandwich on Jul 12, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
And the Islanders, it’s a little less painful to bring that up now that Smyth is home.
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by Lisa McRitchie on Jul 12, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Lowe needs to give tambi a to do for next season...
Get to know the other GMs around the league, especially those in the East. He’s really limiting the team’s options if he isn’t talking to everyone.
I think it’s awfully strange to assume that he’s not trading with teams in the Eastern Conference. Since Tambellini took over, he’s traded with the following partners (I think):
Anaheim – 3
Buffalo -1
Calgary – 1
Carolina – 2
Chicago – 1
Colorado – 1
Los Angeles – 3
Minnesota – 1
Nashville – 1
New Jersey – 1
Ottawa – 1
Phoenix – 2
Pittsburgh – 1
So more in the West than the East, but there’s nothing here that suggests to me that he’s ignoring the Eastern Conference. If the best deal was in Anaheim, then Anaheim was the way to go.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I had forgotten the flurry of activity that brought O’Sullivan and Kotilik this way, and stand corrected. Still, its pretty heavily weighted to the West in my view.
Looked up the trades. What a pathetic list when you compare it to a Holmgren or a Burke.
Oh man I would rather not have Holmgren as my GM!
after the recent flurry of trades!
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
That’s not necessarily good.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
His team went to the finals recently. They also made the fastest worst to first turnaround in recent memory. Our team has done what now?
till then Paul Holmgren looked very good.
But the same smart man then got rid of his 2 most talented players and then more than overpaid the goalie.
I was a huge fan of holmgren before this summer
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
We don’t know what those two were like in the room. If Briere or Giroux is the first line centre and Schenn the second, its not horrible either.
The goalie thing was nuts.
If Schenn is your 2nd line C and you are looking to win the Cup, then yeah, it is Horrible.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
Probably, but not proven to be true yet. Only time will tell.
by gcw_rocks on Jul 12, 2011 5:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, there’s a time to shake things up, I just don’t think this was that time.
They went to cup finals in 2010, and made it to the 2nd round this year despite some significant injuries to key players (and awful goaltending).
With how much luck is involved with winning the cup, I don’t think you blow it up just because you didn’t win or didn’t get as far as you thought you would the prior October.
I honestly think the Flyers could have made either the Richards or Carter trade and signed Vokoun and they’d be a better team than what Holmgren did.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
Holmgren reminds me of Wile E Coyotes. He’s going full tilt for that roadrunner, consequences be damned.
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Wow, I missed the space on each other twice. I wish we could edit comments on days like today.
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by Lisa McRitchie on Jul 12, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I’d call keeping a player as shit as Cogliano within the conference a big win. Like trading Steve Staios within the Northwest Division. “You mean we have to play Steve Staios a bunch? Awesome!”
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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 12, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
well unlike many here, I liked Andrew Cogliano. Esp this season he kinda grew on me as season wore on. the return too is pretty underwheling. Also I would rather have Cogliano for 1.5 million than Jones. Oilers spent that money on the wrong player
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
I know that there aren’t many of us Cogs fans, I think there won’t be too many comments here saying that they like the deal because they’re afraid of hurting my feelings.
I’m still happy with the Jones deal too. It’s just too bad that a deal for another player couldn’t have been made.
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by Lisa McRitchie on Jul 12, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Indeed! Its time for the Oilers to do some 2 or 3 for 1 deals where they take back the 1 good player back
nah actually if you go over to LT’s they kinda like the deal.
TBH i am now bored of these deals of getting rid of nhl players in return for a pick.
People say oh another ‘bullet for stu’ but sooner or later Stu is going to start shooting blanks.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
Even if the pick is a “hit”, the player isn’t likely to help the team for another ~ five years. That’s an awfully long way off.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
yup…So this move ‘might’ benefit us in what 2017- or 2018?
I am not a fan of this trade. Actually i dislike it
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
I’d probably have preferred to keep the player over the return, but I can understand why they moved him. He’d basically priced himself out of a fourth line role, and the Oilers don’t have him pegged for their top nine to start the year, and so he gets moved along. It’s just too bad that they ended up moving him as, essentially, a salary dump with the potential payoff so far off. I’m actually surprised that they couldn’t get a second rounder from this year’s draft for him, but I guess it either wasn’t there, or they were hedging by holding onto Cogliano until after they signed Belanger.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
And according to Dan Tencer the Oilers wanted a 2013 pick instead of 2012. That seems really weird to me.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
because Seleanne will retire after this season?
Going after Victor Hedman with offer sheet?
Yeah it really is wierd.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
I agree. I would have much preferred a live body who could have done something this season as opposed to a might be in 5 or 6 years.
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Bill Belichek banks draft picks all the time. He controlled this years NFL draft, and already has 2 1sts and I think, 2 seconds next year. He will control that draft too.
The Oilers are picked a lot of players in the last two drafts. The pipeline is full. Pushing the draft pick into the out years is fine.
The NFL draft is a much different animal. Guys who get drafted are often ready to play at least a small role in the pros so moving a pick a year or two out still has short-to-mid term value. That’s not true in the NHL. Further, the failure rate for NHL picks seems like it would be much higher with top 100 picks than it is in the NFL, and greater access to developmental leagues makes picking many players at once more palatable than it is for a pro football. Basically, I think it makes a lot more sense to stagger picks in the NFL than it does in the NHL.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s not the same. It’s why I find it odd that so many people are using NFL draft charts as an NHL equivalent
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I like him too, and as much as I’d resigned myself to seeing him go, I’m a bit sad about it. I understand why he was on the list of “things-to-get-something-shiny-for”, though. I just wish they’d gotten more than beans. Again.
by eddy the lip on Jul 12, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Growing on you doesn’t mean he’s a good player.
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Speculation had Cogliano being awarded approximately $1.5 to $2.1 million per year. Had the Oilers decided that they didn’t see the value at that price tag, Cogliano would have been a UFA
Because of the way the rules work, the Oiler probably wouldn’t have been allowed to walk away at an award of $1.5M or less. If they were unwilling to pay Cogliano that much money then I can see why felt the need to move him, although as Sum said, I’d much rather be paying Cogliano than Jones.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 12:15 PM MDT reply actions
Can you not walk away from any arbitration ruling?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 12, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
No, you can’t walk away from anything under a certain number. It was $1,042,173 for the summer of 2006, and has increased in lock-step with the average salary since then, which I’m estimating as at least $1.5M today. It’s probably a bit higher than that. That’s why the Sabres, for instance, bought out Tim Kennedy’s contract after he received an award of $1M last off-season – it was low enough that they weren’t allowed to walk away.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah, thanks for the heads up.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 12, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I expect part of this has to do with what Cogs’ agent was looking for. If they were pushing hard for ~2M, I can understand the Oilers moving him. I think that might be fair value for the player, esp. considering how effective he was on the PK and his work as a fill-in top-6 forward.
That said, it would have to be a lot more paletable from a salary management perspective to keep anyone who looks like a 4th liner before injuries to 1.2M or less.
But that still doesn’t explain Jones contract. It’s pretty clear that signing him cost Cogs a spot. Hoping there will be some questions asked to management about it.
by Permaculture on Jul 12, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
How? Cogs isn’t that good, I am rooting for him to turn it around and he was an awesome Oiler but really 2 mill because he was good on the PK…the worst one in the league and he can’t win a faceoff to save his life, and he can fill in the top 6?? Not very well and again last place team. Happy with the second. We got better at 3C with Belanger over Cogs and we got a second round pick out of it.
I think the Oilers might have signed themselves into a corner here with reaching the 50 man limit and signing a few contracts for a little more than they should. Also, though nobody in the Oilers would admit it, having all these prospects maturing at the same time can have the unintended downside of needing to jettison some potential.
I think that if we had a more established NHL roster, we’d have fast-tracked fewer players and have a better idea where things will eventually fit in. Lander, RNH, CVV, and maybe more coming in at the same time caused issues for Oilers to find them all roles while still not giving up on Gags and Cogs. Unfortunately, I think, Cogs was the least sexy prospect of the bunch. I don’t think his rookie and rookie+1 years were that much off his potential and 3rd line guys who work hard and can pot 20 are nice to have.
Cogliano is actually a few months younger than VandeVelde, and a much better player, so I sure hope that the club isn’t making room for that guy. Nugent-Hopkins and Lander might be ready though, and moving Cogliano makes a spot available with Brule there to provide some “veteran” competition.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Cogliano has no role with the Oilers. There was no longer a place for him. VandeVelde might have a role.
It was time to make the decision on Cogliano and trade him while he still had value. When Stu is your head scout, a 2nd round pick has a lot of value.
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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 12, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m contrarian by nature. The Oilogosphere reflexively thinks anything Tambellini does is wrong or stupid.. One adds nothing to the conversation by piling on that side. The consensus opinion on anything is usually wrong. The way to get ahead is to probe for holes in the consensus opinion.
There are a lot of times when Tambellini is critiicized when I say nothing, because I would be adding nothing, since I would just be piling on.
I tend to post when I disagree, not when I agree.
The consensus opinion on anything is usually wrong.
So you see Ben, the sun actually rises in the west. Don’t let consensus bring you down!
More seriously, I agree that now was a good time to make a decision on Cogliano. The return seems not great to me since it projects to have a positive impact in five years or so if it has a positive impact at all, but that’s a relatively small issue. As for VandeVelde, I don’t see what role you think he’s likely to fill competently at the NHL level.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I should add that they can, of course, flip that pick in the 2011-12 or 2012-13 season for a player that fills a need better than Cogliano, which is why I see the time-line as a relatively small issue.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Contrarian? No. I think the label you’re looking for here is willfully ignorant.
The Oilers don’t need any help pumping their tires without consideration for logic. They’ve got two newspapers, a couple of radio stations and Gene Principe all on the payroll.
by RiversQ on Jul 12, 2011 10:27 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
How do you figure that VandeVelde is a better option than Cogliano at this point in time?
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by Lisa McRitchie on Jul 12, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Is he better at anything else?
Face-offs are one part, but Cogs has been ahead of CVV developmentally for years now.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
I didn’t say VandeVelde was a better hockey player. I said there may still be a role for Vandevelde in the future as an Oiler.
Vandevelde isn’t competing for Cogliano’s job and vice versa. Cogliano is competing with Gagner and Nugent-Hopkins for basically one job.
Cogliano will lose all trade value with a diminished role as a 4th liner or a pressbox player.
I thought of another answer to this.
Why do you “hate” Cogliano? It is in Cogliano’s best interests to be traded to a team that needs him, where he will have a role as a top nine forward. Why do you want him to be kept on a team where he has no future other than waiting for his replacement to be completely ready?
Sometimes being “fired” is the best thing that can happen to a person. Why delay the inevitable? It is bad for the team and bad for the player.
When Stu is your head scout, a 2nd round pick has a lot of value.
This sentiment is going to burn fans pretty badly
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Cogliano was a late 1st round pick in 2005. At best now he is at best mediocre top nine NHL forward who does nothing particularly well except skate fast. He was turned in a probable mid-2nd round draft pick 8 years later. He would have ben worth less after the Oilers played him in a diminished 4th line role.
Cogliano gets a fresh start on a team where he will have a top nine role. The Oilers max out his value with a 2nd round pick. Anaheim could have signed a UFA instead for similar money.
That’s a reasoned argument, though I disagree, it’s reasoned. This “any pick is good if MacGregor makes it” that is the hot new thing is rubbish.
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Great trade! What did we get?
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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 12, 2011 1:34 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I’m picturing you with the fist pump, “Where’d he go?”
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Maybe it’s the business side in me, but what I see is promising first rounder (not that I think they should have drafted him, but they did) gets turned into a second rounder.
Seems like backwards team building. Wasting valuable picks slows things down too much for me. Put guys on the way out on easy minutes and PP, let them pad the stats a bit and then deal. Not like it’ll cost the playoffs or anything, just sort of common sense, like cleaning a car before selling to get max value.
Just make sure as GM that you’re not the guy that signs the career stats only to see them go down – oops Steve-O, Jones.
promising first rounder (not that I think they should have drafted him, but they did) gets turned into a second rounder.
Riley Nash, part deux!
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Not a bad trade at all, yes we lose an NHL body but one that really didn’t help us either his spot was 4th line center and since he cant win a draw its not that bad to lose him.
Also the Oilers will not sign an NHL goalie this year, I would bet alot of money on that. Bulin will have one more chance to show he can play (While splitting time with Dubnyk) which the Oilers will use this year and see what they have, no one knows what Dubnyk can bring (Goalies are funny that way) so lets try it out like this and if it doesn’t work out chances are they deal with it at the deadline or the offseason.
Here’s how it’s going to work: Khabibulin and DD will split duties to begin the season. Then Khabibulin will get injured, as he has done every season since time began. All the other goalies will hence be pushed up a notch, leaving OC with a very raw Olivier Roy and god knows what to back him up. Our ‘successful’ AHL team then will become remarkably unsuccessful.
Ya that could easily happen but I don’t think it would be very hard to sign a veteran goalie or trade for one, pick one up off waivers is probably the easiest way and I think that this might be the route the Oilers go once teams set their rosters, but just a thought.
I am ok with risking Bulin getting hurt and having Danis and Roy in the minors as long as it prevents us from carrying 3 goalies on the NHL roster to start the season.
Cogliano played himself out of a top six role. He’s also small and the organization seems to want “size” and “truculence” at least on the 4th line. At 2 M he would also be a rather expensive plugger. (Yes Jones is overpaid but two bad contracts is not better than one, plus you can argue Jones is an “engergy” player). They brought in Belanger who already knows how to and can do all the things Cogliano might have done for us 3 years from now, plus Lander seems like he could fill the 4th line C role adequately at half the cost.
As for the idea that we could package Cogliano with something else and get someone good, I know on numerous message boards alot of people would direct mockery at the Maple Leafs fans for their constant suggestions that they could package their crap players together and get something good. Considering Sutter no longer has a GM position its unlikely to happen anytime soon for them or for us for that matter. The idea that Cogliano + Peckham or whatever gives us a top 4 defender was always far fetched as two emminently replaceable parts does not equal one quality player.
Cogliano has always got a bit of a free ride with the fans here. He skates like the blazes, looks like he is trying hard and had a swell rookie season. Aside from that he’s been forgetable. He’s had all the chances one could ask for a player, and his offense has never been up to snuff with that rookie season. Beyond that he can’t win draws, he’s frequently out of position, he isn’t an overly physical player and he’s one of the worst faceoff men ever to play the centre position. The league is littered with guys who can score 10 goals and put up 35 points.
Is a second round draft pick ideal? Nah, but on the other hand Cogliano’s trade value was only likely to decline on this team in a reduce role and with reduced icetime. Plus he’s effectively been reduced to a 4th liner on the worst team in the league. If you think that makes his trade value greater than a second round pick, I have to question that judgment. After all if you can’t hold down a roster spot here where the hell can you?
by ChrisBat on Jul 12, 2011 7:28 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I’m indifferent about this… never missed a game, good attitude and was genuinely trying. On the other hand, can’t win a faceoff… getting older… never scores. However, it seems nuts to me that Khabiublin still has a contract at 45 years old (or whatever he is), Darcy Hordichuk is a starter and Ryan Jones is still in the mix. Still, good for him and good luck!
Cogliano isn’t very good but that’s not the problem. The problem is that the Oilers are unlikely to replace him with a better player over the next year or two.
This is the kind of move that endless rebuilds start making. They just start pushing the timeline further out because they don’t really have a plan anyway.
Spacing the picks out? Total bullshit. I can’t imagine the Oilers even believe that.
by RiversQ on Jul 12, 2011 8:53 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Eric Belanger is a better player than Cogliano. Is that NOT a replacement? Sam Gagner is a better player than Cogliano. Those are the two guys who took his job.
They needed Belanger when they still had Cogliano AND Gagner.
They also could have moved him to the wing where he’s better than all the current 4th line options and used him on the PK.
The lesson that should have been learned from the Bruins and the Canucks this year is that depth matters. You get depth by adding players that bump lesser players down the lineup, possibly below their generally regarded standing. The Oilers are determined not to let that happen and therefore will not have depth and will always be at the mercy of injuries.
by RiversQ on Jul 12, 2011 9:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
They got Eager to play LW on the 4th line.
Brule can win a faceoff, is a rightie, and agitate. Arguably he is a better 4th line option than Cogliano.
The AHL team will likely have Hartikainen, Hamilton, Lander, VandeVelde, House, Pitlick, O’Marra, Keller, and Josh Green…all of who are legitimate 4th line options if there is an injury.
Really poorly.
Brule can win a faceoff, is a rightie, and agitate. Arguably he is a better 4th line option than Cogliano.Brule’s a basket case who can’t play in his own end and doesn’t generate chances. His face-off ability is a negligible contribution.
The AHL team will likely have Hartikainen, Hamilton, Lander, VandeVelde, House, Pitlick, O’Marra, Keller, and Josh Green…all of who are legitimate 4th line options if there is an injury.
Ha ha ha. Oh wait, were you serious? Josh Green? Are you on glue? O’Marra? Unbelievable. The idea here is to win games, not just fill out 23 names on a scorecard.
by RiversQ on Jul 12, 2011 9:27 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
What makes you think Cogs would make a good 4th line player? He doesn’t agitate or crash, he plays with heart and was great to have but it was time to get rid of him. Brule is a better 4th line C option then Cogs and I would argue that Lander is already better, Cogs doesn’t bring anything to the table but speed and never seemed to use it to generate chances.
I hate how people complain about the Oilers sucking but when they trade a player who has no spot on the 30TH PLACE ROSTER they complain??
I don’t like Cogliano’s game and would hate to pay him $1.5 – 2 million to play the fourth line, but the Oilers are already doing that with three really bad players, players that Cogliano can outplay in his sleep.
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I agree he can but for what they bring is where I would question it, Jones is a bigger guy who can grind it up and crash the net, same with Eager plus the tough guy, Hordichuk is a 13th-14th forward so whatever, I think it gives cogs a chance, he doesn’t fit in our top 6 and he doesn’t fit in out bottom six, he is a better player but in terms of team success and proper “fit” (hate using that term) it was best that they traded him. I am ok with Brule as our 13th foward so as long as Lander plays 4C or RNH plays top 9, no harm no foul getting a second rounder (Could be used in a deadline day transaction if the Oilers are close to a spot this year or next)
Jones is a bigger guy who can grind it up
When did this ever happen?
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Cogliano is a better player than Ryan Jones and Ben Eager. And Gilbert Brule. He was better than Brule when they signed Brule to his deal last summer.
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Well, on the plus side this means I can stop screaming “PUT HIM ON THE WING!!!!” now.
Better than losing him for nothing, and this ever so slightly frees up space in the log jam at center. Still sad to see him go. I don’t think he’ll ever be a top sixer, but I thought he was turning a corner and finally starting to find a role on that third line.
Also, one less contract for everyone to complain about being an “over-pay”.
Where’s this log jam at centre? I don’t see it.
by RiversQ on Jul 12, 2011 9:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess it’s more theoretical than an actual problem, at this point. Horcoff, Gagner, RNH, Belanger, Brule were/are vying for a pivot spot on the big club. Add in Cogliano and that was six guys vying for four spots. Then you’ve got Lander, Vande Velde, O’Marra, Kytnar on the farm looking for a chance as well.
It’s not a “what are we going to do with all these useful centers” thing, but it helps narrow down the candidates.
It seems to me that the plan is to let Nugent-Hopkins start the year at center, which means they’ve got four there already, and as much as it pains me, he’s likely staying the year. That would have meant Cogliano on the wing until a center went down, which as you’ve pointed out above, is probably a good thing, but the club would seem to disagree. I don’t mind the return if they end up using the pick to grab an NHL player via trade sometime over the next two years.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Cogliano, a top nine forward, gets you a 2nd round pick.
I doubt Cogliano, 4th line forward, with a $1.5 million plus salary gets you a 2nd round pick.
Keeping Cogliano is also NOT in Cogliano’s best interest. The Oilers are also doing the right thing for the player.
You’re probably right about that, and moving him now does seem reasonable. I don’t think the Oilers got swindled here. I just think they got worse. They’re worse today than they were yesterday, and the asset they got in return is unlikely to help the current cluster of young players (mostly because second round picks usually fail) unless the pick is used to trade for someone.
I don’t see how doing something in Cogliano’s best interest is all that relevant for the Oilers. It was in Cogliano’s best interest that the team give him lots of power play time and play him with Hemsky and Smyth against dregs, but that would have been pretty stupid. It’s a nice by-product that Cogliano is going to a good situation, but that’s not a good reason to move him.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t see how it makes the Oilers worse? At best Cogs would have been the 4th line center if he would have played center on one of the skill lines then RNH is already better (Maybe not as seasoned) and Belanger plays 4th line (High priced 4th line but looks pretty good). If Brule is healthy he is a better 4th line center.
Cogs was a project and for a 30th place team we don’t need 5 projects on the team. At best he becomes a 3rd line center who kills penalties but thats an if, take the 2nd and move on.
Huh? The 30th place team that’s in no hurry to get better can definitely handle 5 projects. Hell, have 10 projects. Who gives a rip?
by RiversQ on Jul 12, 2011 10:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Well fans, management, probably the players and the fact that they will finish 30 again if they did that….
Its not like we are giving up on guy who has the potential for 70 points, he was a project 3rd line center…we picked up a great 3rd line center and traded cogs away for a 2nd rounder…so we improve at center on the 3rd line and get a second, whats the problem?
So Cogs projects for a 4th line center, go through the roster and you can find more then 3 “project” 4th liners, I am happy with the 2nd.
Signing Belanger to a 3 year deal to waste away with Eager and Jones is a terrible idea.
“high priced 4th line”
With Eager, Jones, and Brule, the 4th line (and 13th forward) is already one of the highest-priced, if not the highest-priced 4th line in the league.
There may be some other higher-priced 4th lines, but my guess is there is no other 4th line that was intentionally as overpaid as this one.
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Well Brule does make more then Belanger so its high priced with him, I would like to see RNH go back to junior and Belanger center MPS and Omark, but I am saying if RNH makes the team he is better in the top 6 or 9 then cogs.
The difference with other centers we have dumped is that they were perfect fits for 3C or 4C, Cogs was a project to turn into one.
Starting the year with a fourth line of Belanger, Eager, and Cogliano would be a good thing. Those guys could take a regular shift, and would be able to move up the lineup when others aren’t playing well to help keep everyone accountable. Injuries are inevitable, and that lineup would actually provide the Oilers with some NHL level depth for their top nine, which is also good.
We obviously disagree about Brule. I think Cogliano is much better in all zones. Cogliano is more than happy to forecheck physically without putting himself out of position and he can stay healthy in the process. Brule, on the other hand, is more than happy to forecheck physically; not so much the other two things.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 13, 2011 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Its not a primary reason to move him, but ocassionally moving a player to put him in a better situation can enhance a team’s reputation with other players in the league. The Oilers need all the reputational help they can get and should not be afraid to pump up this angle.
Yeah… I don’t think the Oilers will get any good-will value from this. For every plus example there’s a minus example (like trying to trade Brule so that he could be bought out). That’s not unusual; it’s the reality of teams generally acting in their own interests.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 13, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
It seems to me that the plan is to let Nugent-Hopkins start the year at center, which means they’ve got four there already, and as much as it pains me, he’s likely staying the year.
This is the awful part.
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PSSSSSHHHH WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A NUMBER ONE OVERALL CENTERMAN WAS SENT BACK TO PLAY IN THE WHL AFTER HE WAS DRAFTED?
Oh……right….. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Modano
Carry on.
by jeanshorts on Jul 12, 2011 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
^This
Man there’s alot of people penciling in RNH as a full-time NHL’er, despite the fact both Tambo and Stauffer are both planting the seeds for him spending next year with players his own age. And Lander is arguably already better than Cogliano? Where? HF boards?
Truthfully, I’m happy for Cogs. He gets to go to a team that’ll play him with decent linemates and he’ll be in the playoffs next spring. Not to mention that “winning” isn’t a dirty word in Anaheim. On top of which he’ll be getting a decent paycheque to boot. No wonder he didn’t sound too disappointed today on Gregor’s show.
A:
and this ever so slightly frees up space in the log jam at center.
Q: What Oilers fans said when the team traded Jarret Stoll?
Q: What Oilers fans said when the team traded Kyle Brodziak?
Q: What Oilers fans said when the team traded Andrew Cogliano?
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Difference:
Jarret Stoll: Good at faceoffs
Kyle Brodziak: Good at faceoffs
Andrew Cogliano: Googled faceoff to see what it is.
Doesn’t matter. The fans have always excused these moves by making up a logjam at center when one has never existed.
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never forget the old time when Cogs + Gagner + Nilsson moved the Oilers. That’s a long time ago. Not to mention his three overtime goals in a row, and his gloves on display in the Hall of Fame.
In the new team he might not fit anymore, maybe he no longer fits for a few years to the Oilers. He’s a good player (on a new team) and I wish him the best.
by Screaming69 on Jul 12, 2011 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I think you are quite correct to say there is no logjam at centre. But that doesn’t mean that Cogliano wasn’t a great fit with the depth chart. There was already a horse or two for his course. I’m not thrilled with the deal, but I’m guessing that Tambellini had decided he needed to be moved and this was the best deal out there. If we can use the contract spot to take one of the few remaining competent UFA second-pairing D-men still available, then it is worthwhile.
And please, oh lordy, please give RNH his eight game try out, say lots of lovely things about him, and then send him back to junior for the year.
Wasn’t there a story out years ago about Cogs being unwilling/unable to play wing? I swear I remember this coming up a couple of years back, when people first started saying, “maybe the sub-40% FO guy shouldn’t take faceoffs anymore. Or be anywhere on the ice at the same time as a faceoff.”
If you have a shitty centre who can’t/won’t play the wing, where his principal asset (speed) is more valuable/useful, what the fuck good is he? Sure, I’d rather have seen him as part of a package for something useful, but I can understand why that might not have been in the cards.
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