Power Forwards - On The Rise Or A Statistical Blip?
With six newcomers to the power forward list, the 2010-11 total grew to 17, a five-year high. The previous high came in 2008-09 with 13 players on the list. I've looked at the mythical beast for the past few years and found that it's Ovechkin and some big guys that can sometimes put a solid season together and make the list. But with so many newcomers and such a large list for 2010-11, has that changed?
As I've done with each look, I set the minimums for the position at .3 goals per game (25 goals over an 82-game season) and 1.5 hits per game. For the reasoning, check the article behind the "mythical beast" link above.
The following charts detail each player by season that met the minimums. All of the charts are sorted by goals per game.
06-07 Power Forwards
07-08 Power Forwards
08-09 Power Forwards
09-10 Power Forwards
10-11 Power Forwards
- Alex Ovechkin is a machine. He the only man to make the list for five years in a row and can wear the undisputed crown as the best power forward in the league. He scored 32 goals while shooting only 8.7%.
- Erik Cole makes it back to the list for the third time as did Dustin Brown. Cole is aging but effective and may have one more of these seasons left in the tank for the Canadiens. Brown is at the very top of the second-tier of players of this type.
- A couple of surprising names on the list are Blake Comeau and Brandon Dubinsky. I think both Islanders' fans and Rangers' fans are going to choke on their Cheerios when they see this because neither player gets much love from their fans and both take heat for being soft. It will be interesting to see the explanations.
- Though Milan Lucic is regarded by fans as the prototypical young power forward, he made the list for just the first time in his four-year career. He needed a 17.3% shooting percentage to make it, taking the fewest shots of anyone on the 10-11 list.
- The Stars traded power forward James Neal but he was replaced by Jamie Benn in only his second NHL season.
- Ryane Clowe returns to the list for a second time, again buoyed by an above-average shooting percentage. The Sharks shipped Devin Setoguchi, also on the list for a second time, to the Wild, meaning Clowe remains alone in San Jose.
- Chris Kunitz makes the list for a second time, giving the Penguins Kunitz and Neal with multiple appearances on the list and Jordan Staal who fits the physical mold. Staal would likely be on this list if he weren't shouldering so much of the defensive load in Pittsburgh. The league has always played up Ovechkin vs. Crosby and Caps vs. Pens, but these three might redefine the Capitals - Penguins rivalry.
Near misses:
- Ryan Malone fell off of the list due to injury - he only appeared in 54 games. Aside from that, his shooting percentage fell from a career average of 15% to 9.4%.
- Shane Doan missed the list for a second straight season, but this time by only two goals. He still hits, but his shooting percentage, not his shot rates, has fallen off the last two seasons
- James Neal missed making the list for the third time in a row by just two goals. He had 1 goal on 52 shots after being traded to the Penguins. If he stays healthy, it's a safe bet that he'll be on the list in 2011-2012.
- Ryan Callahan only missed this list because he didn't qualify with enough games played. His combined numbers, 3.73 H/G and .383 G/G were among the very best on this list.
- Evander Kane missed the list by two goals and suffered an 8% shooting percentage. He's a good bet to find a home on this list a number of times in the next five years.
- David Booth was healthy but fell short of the list by two goals, it would have been his second appearance, his first coming in 07-08.
- Ryan Getzlaf missed making the list for a third time by only two goals.
- Mike Richards fell off of the list after making it three straight years. With Richards and Brown together in Los Angeles, I'd expect him to find his way back to the list next season.
The five year standings:
* indicates consecutive running years on the list
| Alexander Ovechkin | 5 | ***** |
| Dustin Brown | 3 | * |
| Erik Cole | 3 | * |
| Mike Richards | 3 | |
| Ryan Malone | 3 | |
| Shane Doan | 3 | |
| Bobby Ryan | 2 | ** |
| Brenden Morrow | 2 | * |
| Chris Kunitz | 2 | * |
| David Backes | 2 | * |
| Devin Setoguchi | 2 | * |
| Ryane Clowe | 2 | * |
| James Neal | 2 | |
| Mike Fisher | 2 | |
| Ryan Getzlaf | 2 | |
| Blake Comeau | 1 | * |
| Brandon Dubinsky | 1 | * |
| Danny Cleary | 1 | * |
| Jamie Benn | 1 | * |
| Johan Franzen | 1 | * |
| Milan Lucic | 1 | * |
| Ryan Kesler | 1 | * |
| Alexei Ponikarovsky | 1 | |
| Andrei Kostitsyn | 1 | |
| Chuck Kobasew | 1 | |
| David Booth | 1 | |
| Guillaume Latendresse | 1 | |
| Jonathan Cheechoo | 1 | |
| Michael Ryder | 1 | |
| Rick Nash | 1 | |
| Rod Brind'Amour | 1 | |
| Steve Ott | 1 | |
| Tuomo Ruutu | 1 |
I have a running conclusion about the traditional Power Forward and it still holds:
A roster fix via the vaunted "power forward" is nearly impossible. The players in this mold are extremely rare and the ones that do actually exist come with a heavy cap number. Their trade cost is just about priceless. Beyond that, the guys that fit this mold aren't necessarily dynamic scorers...
...there were 56 "power forward" seasons by 33 different players during the last five seasons. Only 10 of those players broke the 30 goal mark and the other 23 players averaged 24.2 goals per season.
These types of seasons have a very low rate of repeatability. The players that aren't named Ovechkin depend on high shooting percentages to accumulate goals. When those percentages regress, those forwards drop from the list. Put simply, the traditional "power forward" is almost a myth.
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Dubinsky’s seen as a potential ‘power forward’ by the fan base, the heat he takes is because he hadn’t there yet (new yorkers and patience and all). I haven’t seen many comments lately bemoaning him. That’ll happen when you lead the team in scoring.
Callahan’s the more surprising one. I don’t think anyone would classify him as a power forward, in part because of his 5’10" stature. He is a guy that will play in front of the net and bang bodies though, so I suppose it makes sense.
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Could this data be the starting point for proving that there is an inverse relationship between hitting and scoring?
I dunno about “inverse,” though different playertypes and mutually exclusive usage might make it appear so, but we know that there’s zero correlation between hitting and winning, and I’d expect that to be more likely the case
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Isn’t Penner a power forward? Where is his name? Also, made me realize there are no Czech power forwards.lol Have we ever had one? Holik maybe?
I still think this it’s ridiculous to define a power forward by his number of hits; a power forward is a player who uses his size and strength to get to protect the puck and get to areas where he can score goals. It’s more a playing style than a tendency to score while breaking some teeth.
I think that was the point.
Too many “fans” look at the hit column.
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I thought I made that pretty obvious. Hrm.
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I don’t know that it would change the results much, but are you accounting at all for scorer bias in the hitting results? The easy but rough way to do it would be to look at just road hits (I think Gabe has this data already), although that would punish guys who tend to hit more at home (if such players exist).
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 10:09 AM MDT reply actions
Nah, and honestly I don’t care. I’m just trying to make a point here, Scott. :)
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"The traditional "power forward" is almost a myth"
I question how you can suggest such a thing. The lines in the sand you draw (.3 g/g, 1.5 hits/g) would certainly represent a very good power forward in the NHL. Considering that during last year’s regular season only 53 forwards scored 25 goals or more and 90 forwards who had a hit and a half per game, is it really so surprising that there are so few players who can hit those marks with any consistency?
I think the issue here isn’t whether this is a statistical anomolly – it’s the lines in the sand you have drawn. I’d argue that to be a great power forward any year, those would be fair guidelines. But to be recognized as a PF, I think that the line for goals scored should be somewhat lower – after all, there are few enough perrenial 25 goal scorers. Isolating those players who socre 25+ goals and hit the snot out of the opposing players as well seems a little like an excersise in futility.
I’d guess that 20 goals/year would give you a much more realistic view of how many PFs there are, and this metric to display which players had particularly good years as PFs.
by Permaculture on Jul 13, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I’d guess that 20 goals/year would give you a much more realistic view of how many PFs there are,
Ask an average hockey fan if 20 goals a year is enough.
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Since when has your work or Scott’s catered to the average hockey fan? My impression was that your work was to better understand the game.
by Permaculture on Jul 13, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Read the linked articles in the introduction to understand.
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Just heard on the Fan in toronto that cogliano was traded to the ducks for a 2nd round pick (gord stellick).
Tambi does know that he is allowed to trade with teams outside of california, right? In fact, he can trade with teams in the other conference?
by gcw_rocks on Jul 12, 2011 10:47 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Could someone pro-rate Hall’s numbers over the course of the 82-game schedule? Seems he’d have the goal totals, but were his hits significant?
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0.34 goals per game and 0.74 hits per game.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Everything was prorated for players down to 65 games.
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Its funny that traditional power forwards like Iginla and Nash are not regulars on this list.
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Yeah, Iginla in particular is consistently very close. If you lower the hit requirement from 1.5 per game to 1.0 per game, he makes the list in every season since the lockout.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa. You start lowering the requirements and guys like Dustin Penner and Michael Ryder are power forwards!
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It’s just interesting to me that he’s so consistent in being just below what’s required.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 12, 2011 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions
But the requirement is a water cooler requirement. It’s why some of the very best power forwards never make the list. And it’s the point to the entire thing!
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For me the ideal power forward is big and aggressive but plays smart. Hitting too much, especially now, means injuries. Guys like Iginla have long careers because they don’t ruin their bodies or heads.
I would like the Oilers to have more aggressive productive forwards that can’t be stopped physically or intimidated (like Hall I suppose), but protect themselves and hit when it’s appropriate. A little goes a long way.
Having more skilled players that don’t need a body guard would also negate the need for the much despised by stats lovers “goon”.
If the Oilers find a high tempo game as ST says they want, that reduces the amount of hitting necessary by bringing pressure and breaking defences down in a different way.
Save it for the playoffs, leave banging and crashing for the bottom guys who can’t score.
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by RudyKelly on Jul 13, 2011 12:15 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice work here Derek
I too find it interesting that guys most commonly known as “power forwards” like Iginla aren’t on here, but I guess that is the point, since “power forward” is pretty much a made up classification with no real definition. I guess the “classic” definition would be along the lines of “this guy is big, scores some goals, and uses his body”
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