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NHL Free Agency 2011 - Live Updates & Instant Analysis

The target today should be Edmonton-born Vernon Fiddler, a man who can finally plug the giant hole in the Oilers' roster.  I looked at other possible targets in an article last week, but the cost of some of these guys is going up with each additional signing and it doesn't look like the Oilers are going to be able to compete for much. 

Lowetide thinks Antti Miettinen is the #1 target of the day, but you can cross Jan Hejda off of the list as the rumor is he may get near $4 million per year.  I'd be happy with any of Fiddler, Marty Reasoner, or Eric Belanger.

This is our Free Agency open thread, let the overpayments ensue.

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James Wisniewski signs with the Blue Jackets for $33 million over 6 years.

  • This is a terrible overpayment.  On top of this, Scott Howson gave out a no-trade clause, though I doubt anyone would want to trade for Wisniewski at that number.  Howson should have spent less money and brought Jan Hejda back.

Patrick Eaves signs with the Red Wings for $3.6 million over 3 years.

  • Eaves is a depth player and I'm not impressed by the money.  It's probably $500k per year too much for a player like Eaves.

Chris Higgins signs with the Canucks for $3.8 million over 2 years.

  • Another excellent contract for Mike Gillis, who continues to prove himself as one of the best GMs in the game.  Higgins might not bring big point totals, but he's capable of playing the tough minutes and generates chances.  He just doesn't cash in on them.

Josh Harding re-signs with the Minnesota Wild for $750k for 1 year.

  • An outstanding signing by the Wild.  If Harding comes back healthy, this is one of the best goaltender contracts in the league and could get them a decent return at the trade deadline.

Tyler Kennedy re-signs with the Pittsburgh Penguins for $4 million over 2 years.

  • An odd decision by the Penguins to not qualify Kennedy, then give him more money without buying any UFA years.

Sami Salo re-signs with the Vancouver Canucks for $2 million for 1 year.

  • If he's healthy, this is a good deal, if not, the Canucks have $2 million in LTIR space.

Drew Miller signs with the Red Wings for $1.65 million over 2 years.

  • This is more like it for a depth player.  

Ben Eager signs with the Edmonton Oilers for $3.3 million over 3 years.

  • The Oilers are going to have the most expensive fourth line in the league.  Ben Eager is not very good at hockey, but he is a dirty player and hits people, so I'm sure the huddled masses will love this signing.

Jose Theodore signs with the Florida Panthers for $3 million over 2 years.

Jamal Mayers signs with the Chicago Blackhawks for $550k for 1 year.

Mathieu Garon signs with the Tampa Bay Lightning for $2.6 million over 2 years.

  • Steve Yzerman has two ex-Edmonton goaltenders who are both better than the two current Edmonton goaltenders.

Andy Greene re-signs with the New Jersey Devils for four years, terms not disclosed.

Scottie Upshall signs with the Florida Panthers for $14 million over 4 years.

  • Not a bad deal considering the money the Panthers just spend on Kopecky.

Jeff Halpern signs with the Washington Capitals for $825k for 1 year.

  • It's the year 2000 all over again.  

Raffi Torres signs with the Phoenix Coyotes for $3.5 million over 2 years

  • Pacific division concussions on / 60 just went through the roof.  I think this is a slight overpay, but the league has tons of resources to bury bad contracts like this.

Jaromir Jagr signs with the Philadelphia Flyers for $3.3 million for 1 year.

  • After Gary Bettman, Jagr will be the most-booed man in the NHL this year.  It's not a bad signing, but I still wonder what Paul Holmgren's plan is.  The team is really strange and now has no cap space for Voracek and Simmonds.

Jakub Voracek signs with the Philadelphia Flyers for $2.25 million for 1 year.

  • Will Holmgren trade Simmonds?

Andreas Lilja signs with the Philadelphia Flyers.

  • Wayne Simmonds is now ripe for an offer sheet or an offer of a 2nd round pick.

Boyd Gordon signs with the Phoenix Coyotes for $2.65 million for 2 years.

  • For this money, it's likely that he's coming in to free up Martin Hanzal for easier duty.

Mike Smith signs with the Phoenix Coyotes for $4 million over 2 years.

  • He's always injured and only average when healthy.  Smith isn't better value than Mathieu Garon, yet he got $700k more.

Cody McCormick signs with the Buffalo Sabres for $3.6 million over 3 years.

  • Darcy Regier needs to slow down for a minute.  McCormick is another depth player being overpaid by $500k


Adam Pardy signs with the Dallas Stars for $4 million over 2 years.

  • I'm not sure what the Stars are doing here, but Adam Pardy is not worth this money.  They've struggled to figure out defense sign Sergei Zubov left, but this is a real head-scratcher.

Jan Hejda signs with the Colorado Avalanche for $13 million over 4 years.

  • Considering the market, this deal isn't bad.  The term is probably too much for an older defenseman, but it's not like they gave $33 million to Wisniewski.

Edmonton-born Vernon FIddler signs with the Dallas Stars for $5.4 million over 3 years.

  • Fiddler was perfect, absolutely perfect for the Oilers, but goes to the hated Stars instead and on a really nice contract.

One-time Edmonton Oiler Radek Dvorak signs with the Dallas Stars for $1.5 million for 1 year.

  • We'll always have the dagger.  Dvorak and Fiddler have the makings of an outstanding checking line.

Mark Mancari signs with the Vancouver Canucks.

Tim Brent signs with the Carolina Hurricanes for $1.5 million over 2 years.

  • Jim Rutherford has been the best GM in the league this week.

Brian Boucher signs with the Carolina Hurricanes for $1.9 million over 2 years.

  • Boucher will get 18-20 starts spelling Cam Ward.  It's the signing Philadelphia should have made, rather than giving Michael Leighton a one-way deal.

Ed Jovanovski signs with the Florida Panthers....for $16.5 million over 4 years.

  • The only thing Florida has in their system is defenseman, and they have a ton of them.  Why on earth Tallon was compelled to give Jovanovski four years is a mystery.  Though everything Tallon's done this off-season has been a mystery.  This contract is awful.

Andrew Brunette signs with the Chicago Blackhawks for $2 million for 1 year.

  • This is a pretty good signing for the Blackhawks.  Brunette is slowed, but can still play and will help their power play.

Sean O`Donnell signs with the Chicago Blackhawks.

  • O'Donnell is a noted Oilers' killer, scoring his annual goal in the third period each year.  He's a depth guy for Chicago, nothing more.

Washington trades Semyon Varlamov to the Colorado Avalanche for a 1st round pick in 2012 and a 2nd round pick in either 2012 or 2013.

  • What a beauty of a deal for the Capitals.  That 1st rounder could be a top 3 pick.  Colorado has some explaining to do here.  Why not just send an offer sheet for 2nd round compensation?

Semyon Varlamov signs with the Colorado Avalanche for $5.5 million for 2 years.

  • The Avs have become Paul Holmgren west.  This whole sequence is insane.  The Avs just gave up a lottery pick for Varlamov, then overpaid him by at least 50%.

Johan Hedberg re-signs with the New Jersey Devils

Marcel Goc signs with the Florida Panthers for $5.1 million for 3 years.

  • Dale Tallon: 

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Radim Vrbata re-signs with the Phoenix Coyotes for $9 million for 3 years.

  • The league is really spending all of the other owner's money this off-season.

Max Talbot signs with the Philadelphia Flyers for $9 million for 5 years.

  • Steve Tambellini should offer sheet Wayne Simmonds right now.  Don't stop.  Do not pass go.  Send and offer sheet to Simmonds.

Peter Budaj signs with the Montreal Canadiens for $2.3 million for 2 years.

  • Considering Boucher and Harding's deals, this is an overpay of about 30-35%.

Mike Rupp signs with the New York Rangers for $4.5 million for 3 years.

  • Glen Sather is always there to bail everyone out.  Just when you think paying a fourth-liner $1.1 million for three years is bad, Sather shows up to make that look smart as heck.

Mike Commodore signs with the Detroit Red Wings for $1 million for 1 year

  • Ken Holland picks up the scraps from the Blue Jackets.  If the Wings are able to shelter him it's not terrible and it's quite easy to bury in the AHL.  It's a good risk.

Steve Sullivan signs with the Pittsburgh Penguins for $1.5 million for 1 year.

  • Astute signing by Ray Shero.  Either Sullivan stays healthy and becomes a great addition to Evgeni Malkin's line or he can't overcome his back problems and becomes $1.5 million of LTIR space at the deadline.

Marty Reasoner signs with the Long Island Islanders for 2 years.

  • Reasoner is a very good fit on Long Island and will likely form a tough minutes line with Trent Hunter.

Joel Ward signs with the Washington Capitals for $12 million for 4 years

  • It's an overpayment, but the Capitals can afford to do that right now, especially if Semin is gone after the season and they add that 1st rounder from the Avs.

 Roman Hamrlik signs with the Washington Capitals for $7 million for 2 years

  • This signing spells the end of Tom Poti in Washington.  It's also an overpayment.

Erik Cole signs with the Montreal Canadians for $18 million for 4 years

  • Montreal didn't want to be outdone in the worst contract department, so they stepped up to the plate.  An IM just came in saying only "Bananas".  Bananas, indeed.

Cam Barker signs with the Edmonton Oilers for $2.25 million for 1 year.

Darcy Hordichuk signs with the Edmonton Oilers for $800k for 1 year.

  • Why have one useless goon when you can have two?

Michael Ryder signs with the Dallas Stars for $7 million for 2 years.

  • About what I expected Ryder to get, especially after a strong playoff run, and a great term for the Stars.  They're using the Brad Richards money extremely well.  This is why they should've traded him when I told them to.

Alex Auld signs with the Ottawa Senators for $1 million for 1 year.

  • Overpaid by 20%.  I have no idea why GMs are offering career backups more than $750k-$800k

Benoit Pouliot signs with the Boston Bruins for $1.1 million for 1 year.

  • Another overpay for a depth player.  

The Edmonton Oilers trade Kurtis Foster to Anaheim for Andy Sutton.

  • One defenseman who got easy minutes, easy zonestarts and couldn't move the puck for another.  One shoots hard, one hits hard.

Ville Leino signs with the Buffalo Sabres for $27 million for 6 years.

  • Buffalo has now become New York Rangers west.  This is the worst signing of the day and it's not close.

Marco Sturm signs with the Vancouver Canucks for $2.25 million for 1 year

  • Mike Gillis and Jim Rutherford continue to trade shots as best GMs of the off-season.

Alexei Ponikarovsky signs with the Carolina Hurricanes for $1.5 million for 1 year.

  • And Rutherford fires back.  These two are the class of the league right now.

Jean-Sebastien Giguere signs with the Colorado Avalance

  • The Avs have had a miserable season and management isn't doing them any favors.

Philadelphia trades Kris Versteeg to the Florida Panthers for either a 2012 or 2013 second round pick and 2013 third round pick.

  • Now Philly has room for Wayne Simmonds.  Dale Tallon, rescuing teams from cap hell 24*7

Jim Vandermeer signs with the San Jose Sharks for $1 million for 1 year.

  • A depth signing for San Jose and not a bad one.  They probably coughed up $100k too much, but he's not going to see many minutes considering the Sharks top three are all minutes eaters.

Sheldon Souray signs with the Dallas Stars for $1.65 million for 1 year.

Tomas Fleischmann signs with the Florida Panthers for $18 million for 4 years.

  • Tallon, unhappy that Darcy Regier was trying to beat the Dale, comes back with a ridiculous contract.

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Eric Belanger signs with the Edmonton Oilers for $5.25 million for 3 years.

  • The long provincial nightmare is over.  After three years, the Oilers have finally signed a third-line center capable of winning faceoffs and killing penalties.  He'll play between Paajarvi and Omark and give them some defensive help.  I don't care if the term is $8 million over the next two years, this signing is three years overdue.  He was third on my list, but it doesn't matter.  Good signing.  No, great signing.  UPDATE:  $1.75 per year is amazing.  Almost enough to take the sting out of the goon parade.

Chuck Kobasew signs with the Colorado Avalanche for $2.5 million for 2 years.

  • Kobasew must have an amazing agent to scare up more than $1 million per year.

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Cody McCormick signs a three year deal in Buffalo for 1.2 per season.

If this doesn’t make you feel better about Ryan Jones, I’ve nothing for you.

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by chappy35 on Jul 1, 2011 9:33 AM MDT reply actions  

I weep knowing that you’ve got nothing for me.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Torres hitting the open market

bring back another favorite from the 06 run???

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 10:09 AM MDT reply actions  

Given management’s past experience with Raffi Torres, I’m quite confident that he’s not going to be coming back to Edmonton.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

hope ST has Shane O’Brien’s number…

by papler on Jul 1, 2011 10:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Wait, you want Shane O’Brien? That guy is… not a very good hockey player.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Since when does that matter? It’s July 1, dammit!

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 1, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen this in a number of places. No idea why anyone would want him. Then again, they just signed Ben frickin’ Eager.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 1, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

hell yeah! i didn’t say he’s good but we need a pest on the team. oh well, we have eager now. partytime.
this reminds me… i better go get some chicken wings

by papler on Jul 1, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

please no SOB

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am not at all sanguine about the Eager signing. Pest I can live with. Outright dick, and we might as well be Vancouver.

by eddy the lip on Jul 2, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wisniewski gets 6 year, 33 mill

and ehrhoff gets 10 year, 40 mill (crazy front loaded though).

man oh man.

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 10:25 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, I’m thinking that when a team trades for your rights, you’re in the best situation possible to get a great deal. But Wisniewski really took it to a new level. I’d call the Ehrhoff deal risky; the Wisniewski deal is, well, pretty stupid. They guy just isn’t a $5M defenseman. Hard to believe that the Jackets are now paying Wisniewski more than Carter.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

o.O no kidding

The ehrhoff deal is actually a decent cap hit (4 mill) for a guy who got 50 points, but surely the league will investigate. It is really front loaded, I think 8-10 million the first year (salary and signing bonus)

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it doesn’t break any of the rules so I’m sure that it’ll be fine. They just imposed the new rules last off-season, and this is well within those parameters, so I can’t see the league getting too huffy.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

AHHH

I’m not aware of the regulations about that. Just assumed it was one of those shady deals.

shouldnt assume, i guess

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

No, the tail is $1M by fiat. I wrote about the new rules last summer, and as you can see, Luongo’s is one of the shadier deals around :)

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

pfft!

clearly there was nothing shady about the Luongo contract. Nothing!

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

5.5 now right. Yeah that is a lot of money.
But how are they paying him more than Carter?

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe I’ve got Carter’s cap hit wrong, but I thought his cap hit was $5.27M.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

NO you have it right. I had it wrong it thought it to be 5.75.
5.5 million is a lot of money for essentially a second pairing D man

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Congrats to the Canucks on getting Salo and Higgins done Temujin, both at less than I was projecting. $2M each gives them some freedom to spend a bit more on someone who hasn’t yet played in Vancouver.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 10:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Higgins contract

is a really good value for a guy who is versatile.

It’s funny how the media in Vancouver was hyping up how players wanted to stay here and were willing to take discounts…

and it was actually true.

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 10:36 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, it seems like the players must really like the city and/or the team because Gillis is able to get guys that have played in Vancouver to take discounts with some regularity. Seems to find it more difficult to bring guys in from the outside.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not so much with Errorhoff?

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 1, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Compare Vancouver to Detroit, and Vancouver looks even better. It’s not that Jonathan Ericsson is a bad player, but $3.25 per year is awfully steep. Even the bit players like Eaves and Miller got pretty nice paydays considering the roles they play. It’s not really big money obviously, but both are multi-year deals well over the minimum, and these guys were fourth liners.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 10:46 AM MDT reply actions  

yeah that was a lot of money. I think Holland saw all the decent UFA d-man getting signed and he panicked

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bruins fan allowed to chat in here?
Eager signing looks good to me for you guys!

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 1, 2011 10:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, great signing except for the fact that he stinks at hockey.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 1, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not a bad signing

You certainly need more, but not a bad one.
Pretty good off season so far, Smyth was a great pick up.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 1, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

well we had to replace McIntyre somehow…

by Bananahammer on Jul 1, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Eager has played 323 GP with four previous teams. Average per 82 = 9-9-18, -2, 188 PiM.

Seems to me he was one of the better goons available. He’s a major improvement on SMac, scores way more than Zorg or JFJ.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 1, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

actually i like Eager… I’d love to watch an Oiler loom over Luongo after scoring a goal like a pro-wrestler.

by Bananahammer on Jul 1, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bruce and I might just be on the same page here. Crazy times.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

And me!

I like the Eager signing. But now I am confused regarding the depth chart. At least there is going to be competition.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Intellectually I don’t mind it, but Eager seems like such a dick that it will probably take a while for me to warm to the this signing.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

What are you confused about? He’s a fourth liner, and the Oilers still need some of those.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

does he kill penalties? I need to check.
So the wingers are now:
Hemsky, Smyth, Hall, Eberle, Omark, Paajarvi,
Jones and Eager.
That is actually a pretty good set of wingers. Still need the vet C.
Yeah Idk why I thought we had enough wingers

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, he doesn’t kill penalties. Were you counting Hartikainen on the roster previously?

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I was.
Thats why I did not think that we would sign any FA at wing.
But I like that we will have some competition there

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

and expected Brule to be in the mix too

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn’t he hurt :)

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol…

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

at 27

does Eager become another mentor for the kids? heh.

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 10:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Former first round pic… he can be a cautionary whale story for the boys! In fact, keep Brule as well and have them take out our first round pics for dinner and tell them how things turned out!

by Czechboy on Jul 1, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, Eager was an unusual first-round pick. The team took him knowing that they were getting a goon and crossing their fingers for something more.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

thats a good tag for this site… “crossing their fingers for something more”

by Bananahammer on Jul 1, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

2 mill

Ok, I’m seeing a lot of crappy players signing for 2 mil or more…. however, I heard that Jagr is now out of the running in Pittsburgh and Detroit. I cannot help but think if Ladislav Smid is worth over 2 mill that so is Jagr. Still, when the hell is he signing?

Theodore signing in Florida doesn’t look good for Vokoun.

Ben Eager… not sure if this is helping too much. Can he play D?

by Czechboy on Jul 1, 2011 11:08 AM MDT reply actions  

Ha! Jagr signs with Philly! It’s like he’s trying to give Pens’ fans the middle finger!

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

And they almost lost Tyler Kennedy waiting on him too. Man, oh man, that could have been funny if the Penguins decided to wait a bit longer and Kennedy went somewhere else.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

It’s actually a smart signing from him… Philly is going to be good if Pronger is healthy and they now have a real goalie (for about 5 years too long but that is another story)… only problem is that I cannot stand Philly and will now have to watch their games.lol

Also, this ’we’ve removed our offer’ bullshit from the Pens is funny… obviously, Jagr had better offers elsewhere. It reeks of ‘you can’t fire me because I quit’.lol He signed for close to double with their conference rival.

by Czechboy on Jul 1, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, they signed Kennedy to the exact same deal, so that’s why they felt the need to withdraw it. That part makes sense. And yeah, Jagr’s landed in a pretty good spot so no skin off his back. It’s just funny is all. The boo-birds will definitely be out in Pittsburgh.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

And now Talbot too! The battle of Pennsylvania is on!

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Torres

to Phoenix, 2 years, 1.75 mill per

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 11:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, they’re building a nice checking line there. Boyd Gordon and Raffi Torres can play together and take some heat off Martin Hanzal, which will really free up some soft ice for others. It’s a good group for Tippett. Mike Smith at $2M per seems very, very bad though. This might just be Jason LaBarbera’s time.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Like what they did… but Mike Smith is going to be the death of them.

by Czechboy on Jul 1, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

yup Mike Smith for 2 million is ovrpayment by 1.5 mil

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

according to TSN the Oilers are in the mix for Belanger… another over-pay approaches?

by Bananahammer on Jul 1, 2011 11:39 AM MDT reply actions  

I’d be fine with overpaying Belanger for one or two years.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

i had secretly crushed on Fiddler signing… sigh…

by Bananahammer on Jul 1, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

16.5 mill over 4 years

for Jovanovski in florida.

yergh

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 11:54 AM MDT reply actions  

yergh yergh

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 1, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dale Tallon is a fool. There’s just no two ways about it.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

we're joking over at NM

about Florida needing to reach the cap floor.

This certainly helps

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is there some rule that forces them to tie up the money for four years though? Jovonovski for four, Kopecky for four, Campbell for four and then some… it just doesn’t make any sense. Especially when you consider that they didn’t even qualify Bergfors who’s actually a good young player!

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Upshall for four.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 1, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

unreal

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

But they got Goc for just 3 years. Must be a typo in the contract.

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by ryanbatty on Jul 1, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Upshall signing i a good one
Jovo’s contract is like a NK

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Upshall is the kind of overpay that makes some sense to me for Florida. He’s still likely to be a quality player towards the end of it when it might actually matter. But Jovo for 4? Yikes.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

14 million for 4 years is ok.
just on the upper end of the scale. Kinda thing you expect on the FA day,

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

If everything works out Upshall might be covering the bet by year four. History of injuries and inconsistency. Big gamble to be offering 8 figures to a guy like that IMO.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 1, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

And yet, I think we can all agree that this is the deal that makes the most sense. Oh, Dale Tallon.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tallon has gone crazy

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, looking over them again, the Goc signing looks like a good one to me.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

He signed Goc too?
Man is there some list where everything is getting updated?

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

http://tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=25880

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by ryanbatty on Jul 1, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh Derek is updating it too on this very thread!

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yessir!

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Three years, $1.7M per year for Goc. And I forgot about the Theodore deal (two years, $1.5M per year). That one looks pretty good too.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah he has done some good things.
The only deal I dont like straight up is the Jovo deal.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fleischmann for four.

I’m guessing the cap floor is no longer an issue in FLA.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 1, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

somewhat unbelievably, they’re still not at the floor, though rounding out their roster should get them pretty much there.

by Passive Voice on Jul 1, 2011 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm floored

If you give four years @ four million per to fourteen freaking guys, surely to goodness you have to be somewhere close to the floor.

This new cap is insane.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 2, 2011 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Chicago

seems like they are making some solid signings… why can’t the Oilers do the little things better like them?

by Czechboy on Jul 1, 2011 12:02 PM MDT reply actions  

they had a very good draft too.
Good organisation that one

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Goodbye Vokoun?

Oh boy, Tomas Vokoun might be homeless… please god tell me he doesn’t end up in the KHL!

by Czechboy on Jul 1, 2011 12:06 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t know what his price point is, but if he’s willing to come in for a couple of years at $2.5M per year, the Oilers can pay for half of that with the money they save buying out Khabibulin.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s got to be looking for a lot more money than that. Otherwise, wouldn’t Colorado have signed him rather than trading what very well might be a lottery pick in what appears to be an excellent draft. I don’t think Varlamov is going to go to the KHL (likely just postering to get out of Washington where they had too many other guys) but that’s a crazy price to pay.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Khabibulin would fit nice at OKC

by Screaming69 on Jul 1, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Khabibulin would be a nice fit in any place not called Edmonton if you ask me.

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by ryanbatty on Jul 1, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I bet him to flames for 3rd rounder can be done

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did Colorado really trade their next year’s FIRST rounder for Varlamov? That’s insane. And a second-rounder in ’12 or ’13.

If I was an Avs fan I’d be beside myself. That could easily be a lottery pick.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 1, 2011 12:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Unless Varlamov plays like they expect him to right. The logic NHL GMs use just boggles the mind.

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by ryanbatty on Jul 1, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just a huge bet on a guy with problems with both injury and inconsistency. I can’t get my head around it unless they’ve got more coming.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

WTF!!!!!

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahahaha! Good God, that’s stupid. Holy shit. Ho. Ly. Shit.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with Matt M they could have just offer sheeted Varly for something 2.5-3 mil range and caps would have given him up.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

2 yers total 5.5 million
Bahahaha compensation for offer sheet—> 3rd rounder?

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow. Ridiculous.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Doubt it. As long as Varly was RFA he could bolt. I would think the Caps match anything below 1+3. They weren’t hard against the cap (though now they will be).

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by red army line on Jul 1, 2011 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

they are completely beside themselves

at milehighhockey

Poor bastards. And now Washington is talking to Vokoun? o.o

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

As they should be. This is not a bet I would’ve even considered making. That team was bad, bad, bad a year ago.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup..while goaltending was a huge reason for them being shitty, I am not sure Varly was the answer to that.

He is not goign to give them a 10 win improvement

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

"ten win improvement"

Think their 1st round pick next year would provide closer to that?

Guess Washington will find out.

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

someone tweeted that this is like the Kessel trade without a good player goign the other away. I agree

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also did not Colorado sign hejda too?

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I gotta think they need more than Hejda and Varly to make a run at the playoffs.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh no I am looking for confirmation. I am not sure they did

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep, 4 years, $3.25M per year. No team has surprised me more than the Avs so far today. They were so careful to get all of their contracts expiring just before the changeover in the CBA, and today they blow that out of the water and declare their rebuild “over” (even though it’s not actually over).

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah they still need a lot of D men before they can really say it is over.
Their forwards are ok, but that D is terrible

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

they lost Budaj, too (Montreal)

by Screaming69 on Jul 1, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that is a good thing. I am surprised at Budaj’s ability to keep getting signed.
He should give his agent a huge hug

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why not just offer sheet Varly? That way you both know he’s not going to the K and you presumably would get him in the 2nd round pick compensation band.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 12:23 PM MDT reply actions  

In a day full of crazy shit, the Varlamov trade is the craziest. It’s batshit.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 1, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

varlamov

2 yrs, 5.5 million total.

Good lord.

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

i wonder if Schieder was available and I wonder for how much

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

if varlamov is worth a 1st and 2nd round round pick

I wonder what cory schneider is worth.

I didnt think he’d be on the table today, but wow.

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

NO I am talkign reality here :P
Not the kinda shit Colorado just did. That was highly stupid and makes Tallon look like a genius

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Gillis had that on the table and didn’t take it, he’s not as bright as I thought.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

no shit

a potential lottery pick next draft for the Canucks. #ohgodyes

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

But then your RFAs would be subjected to offer sheets and we all know that NHL GMs make all their decisions out of spite.

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by ryanbatty on Jul 1, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Colorado should have double offer sheeted Alzner and Varlamov. Washington is too close to a Cup to make suboptimal decisions out of spite.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m really in love with double offer sheets. Why don’t GMs read this site?

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by ryanbatty on Jul 1, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

they are a bunch of pussies.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

great sgning by Philly on Talbot

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:35 PM MDT reply actions  

5 years? Too long for me.

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by ryanbatty on Jul 1, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

why how old is Talbot?

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

he is 27
So years 27 to 32 is a great time for a forward. At 1.8 million he is a good defensive forward.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’d go three years for a guy like him. Five is just too much. Flyers are all over the cap though so they probably had to go five to get the dollar down a little.

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by ryanbatty on Jul 1, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still dont get the reason why 5 is too much. but i guess we all have out preferences

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

BAHAHAHAHAHA
Pierre McGuire is criticizing the Varlamov signing. We are on the same page

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:37 PM MDT reply actions  

From Oilers version of eklund:

treenasOil: Oilers are looking at goaltenders. PLease let this be true

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:40 PM MDT reply actions  

where did Fiddler sign?

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:45 PM MDT reply actions  

Not a bad signing at all.
Better to have Fiddler at 1.8 than Jones at 1.5

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, not bad. I’d bet the Oilers were only offering 2 years, but 4.5/2 or something like that would have presumably got it done. Ah well. No point worrying about it, at least not until the other good centre options are gone and we get to shred Tambo for not filling holes for another offseason.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah good to know he is after belanger

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Steve Tambellini should offer sheet Wayne Simmonds right now. Don’t stop. Do not pass go. Send and offer sheet to Simmonds.

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by ryanbatty on Jul 1, 2011 1:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Steve Yzerman has two ex-Edmonton goaltenders who are both better than the two current Edmonton goaltenders.

^^

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:09 PM MDT reply actions  

oh my

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Worst signing of the off season: James Wisniewiski
Worst trade of the off season: Semyon Varlamov

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Jovo 4 years at 4 mill per?

a close second to Wis, I’d say. Maybe even slightly ahead

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nah, the length of that Wis deal is killer.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

But i have a feeling that Richard signing is going to trump them all!

Anything other than Hossa style contract will be a bad one

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m excited to see how ridiculous the Richards deal ends up being.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Leafs and Rangers ina bidding war! His agent must be salivating

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well Fla needed to shell money out to get to the floor.
But CBJ are looking to compete now and that 5.5 million cap his is hurtful going forward.
Remember this is the same team that did not resign Ron hainsey who wanted too much money after a good season

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oiler’s eklund says that Oilers is close to signing to Belanger

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Steve sullivan to Pitsburgh. I like this one

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, it looks like a nice fit.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is a whole lot of money and term for Joel Ward.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 1:25 PM MDT reply actions  

this

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s a year longer than I thought he’d get, but the money is about what I expected. Teams love guys who are coming off a strong playoffs, and this time, the guy’s actually a pretty good player.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bergenhiem remains unsigned no?

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Marty to NYI is sad

by Screaming69 on Jul 1, 2011 1:29 PM MDT reply actions  

not if we sign Belanger!

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

lets hope for the best

by Screaming69 on Jul 1, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

yup!

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Roman Hamrlik to Washington 2 yr 7 mil

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:30 PM MDT reply actions  

decent pick up by Caps

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Richards to TB doesnt make sense to me.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:30 PM MDT reply actions  

WOW Eric Cole overpaid!

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Cam BArker and Hordichuk Oilers now?

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:34 PM MDT reply actions  

i dont know anyting about Hordichuk
But I kinda like the fact we signed Barker. Hopefully 1 year

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

ok 2.25 million is a lot of money.
For a guy just go bought out, i am sure coud have been had for 1 mil

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

ST is having some kinda bipolar day

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only one year though, so it’s not a huge deal. As long as that doesn’t mean the defense is done, I’m okay with it. Lots of space.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

a guy who was just bought out could be had for cheap.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t mind Barker as a reclamation project as long as he’s pretty cheap. Hordichuk sucks though.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

That said, Eager and Hordichuk > JFJ and SMac by a pretty giant margin.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hordichuk

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 1:42 PM MDT reply actions  

lol

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I got nothing else :D

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Barker will still be an RFA after this deal, no?

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 1:47 PM MDT reply actions  

i doubt it…he wasnt qualified

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sure, but look at a guy like MacArthur, where they walked away from his arbitration in Atlanta, but he’s still an RFA this year. Barker didn’t play at 18 or anything, so he won’t have 7 years. I’m not sure under what category he could be a UFA.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Scott Help!

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’ll be a restricted free agent.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

but dont guys need to get a Q/O?
Oh well.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right, so he became an unrestricted free agent for this year, but next year, he still won’t have enough years of service, and so if he gets qualified by the Oilers, will once again be a restricted free agent.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Aaaaah I see

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Andy Sutton an Oiler?
This years’ Vandermeer?

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Barker

Kudos to whoever posted the quote saying he is EXACTLY what we don’t need only to have the Oil sign him 24 hours later… that was prophetic.

Happy to see Jiri Tlusty still has an NHL job… and shocked too. Washington is also having a very good day.

by Czechboy on Jul 1, 2011 1:52 PM MDT reply actions  

I like the player not the money

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tallon gets versteeg. He loves his ex players

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Oilers deal Kurtis Foster to Ducks for Andy Sutton.

by TakeoutArtist on Jul 1, 2011 2:10 PM MDT reply actions  

i dont know if Sutton is still a top 4 d.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

also doesnt make sense from ANA perspective

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

i dont know if Sutton is better than Vandermeer

by Bananahammer on Jul 1, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

hmmm

need the Gabe Desjardin’s player card!!

cue to Derek

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Andy Sutton
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by Screaming69 on Jul 1, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh no the micro stats!lol
apparently deal not fully done yet

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sutton can hit, Foster not

by Screaming69 on Jul 1, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh Sutton>> Foster

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am liking this potential trade

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

You mean you don’t have it bookmarked?

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by red army line on Jul 1, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ville Leino gets 4.5 mill a year

for 6 years. from Buffalo.

the hits just keep on coming.

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 2:17 PM MDT reply actions  

OVERPAYMENT.

this is like the time when Oilers got Katz and all they wanted to do was spend money and more money.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Straight up Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

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by OilLeak on Jul 1, 2011 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

and now the Canucks

sign Marco Sturm. One ears 2.25 mill.

Not sure what this is all about. That’s a lot to pay for a guy who wont see top 6 time imo

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

true that. His play has gone down

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

and we couldnt have kept Torres

for the same dough?

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I used to really like Sturm. Injuries have taken some of his speed, but I don’t mind that for the Canucks really.

by MattM on Jul 1, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I had forgotten

that Mason Raymond will be out for the first month or two of the season due to injury. So I suppose this is a decent fill-in, if nothing else.

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Canucks using LTIR to create extra cap space from the get-go yet again (cheaters), and it’s just a one-year deal so a small overpay isn’t a big deal. He wasn’t very good last year after coming back from injury, but maybe he’ll be stronger with a full off-season of training.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sturm is still a good hockey player. I would’ve taken him on that deal. He’s been banged up, but he looked alright in DC and was strong by underlying numbers (just “snakebitten”).

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by red army line on Jul 1, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow.

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

the Dallas Canadiens are looking… well… better? ish?

by Bananahammer on Jul 1, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jovanovski

has the retirement clause in his contract, like Khabibulin. If he retires, the Coyotes are still on the hook to pay him,

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by Temujin on Jul 1, 2011 2:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Vandemeer now a Shark. Good luck to them.

by TakeoutArtist on Jul 1, 2011 2:40 PM MDT reply actions  

i laugh every time i hear Bryan Murray on TSN… does that make me a bad person?

by Bananahammer on Jul 1, 2011 2:56 PM MDT reply actions  

nope…
Bryan Murray took a great Ottawa team and made into crappy piece of shit

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

awefully quiete out here

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 3:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Belanger signs!!
Beauty

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 3:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Great signing for you guys. I had hoped the Flyers would make him their #1 priority.

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 1, 2011 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

You need to change your sig…Time to mourn Richards!

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

ouch. I’m still at the disbelief stage.

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 1, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man that was so bad. Richards was one of my fav players in the league.
I was so shocked when he was traded.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t even want to think about it right now to be honest. Signing a third line centre to play tough minutes would have gone a long way, but the Flyers ended up with Jagr and Talbot.

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 1, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Talbot played as a 3rd line center this year for more than 40 games. plus he will be in his prime years.

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

He got easy starts against second/third line opponents and isn’t great at faceoffs. I’m not that impressed.

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by ToddtheFox on Jul 1, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

$1.75m per for three years for 33-year-old Eric Belanger. That’s not nothing, but it could be a lot worse. I don’t think he’ll cover the bet, necessarily, but I can’t really object to the signing. God knows we need him.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 1, 2011 3:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Look for Ben to not be enthusiastic…boooooooo

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by SumOil on Jul 1, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

really? really? A legit 3C? I think I just pooped a little…

by Stephen Sheps on Jul 1, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

How are role-players an overpay at a little over a million when the cap is at sixty million? I think that’s an appropriate percentage. Gotta adjust the economics.

No, I like the Eager and Hordichuk signings. Right dollar range for bottom of the roster players who can play more hockey than a MacIntyre.

by David Supina on Jul 1, 2011 4:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Stortini >>>> Hordichuk

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 1, 2011 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree wholeheartedly, and the Hordichuk deal pisses me off because of it.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe. But I think Hordichuk isn’t taking Stortini’s spot. I think he’s taking Jacques. Jones is going to start the year on the fourth line right wing.

by David Supina on Jul 1, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thing is, he’s not taking Jacques’ spot either. The Oilers have a lot of men on LW now: Hall, Smyth, Paajarvi, Eager seem likely as the starters, and they had Hartikainen and Petrell behind them. The point being, I don’t think they grabbed Hordichuk because he’s a LW.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

So… a goon, plus several players who might actually be capable of playing a role at the NHL level, including some that have to play at the AHL level because of the number of players at the same position who can play?

Isn’t that, like, what a lot of good teams do?

I think too much has been made of the goon position on a team. They have little impact because they don’t actually play very many minutes. When they are asked to play, they usually play against the bottom of the barrel guys from other teams. They may or may not have a real psychological impact on a team. If you don’t have a goon, your fourth line will consist of players that are, at best, marginal, because if they were better than that, they’d be playing further up the line-up.

As much as I’ve seen copper and blue try to show how useless enforcers are, it’s still minimal negative impact on-ice, due to limited minutes, versus impossible-to-quantify psychological impact. Maybe they give up a few goals off the mistakes of Hordichuk this season, but does Hall play with more confidence, somehow, knowing he’s got someone who will jump any guy who takes a cheap shot at him? Maybe.

Actually, I think Copper and Blue’s writers, as a whole, are just frustrated that they’re not running the team, since every last one of you is convinced that you’d make a better GM than Tambellini. But this angst is disproportionate considering that the moves, as a whole, make a whole lot of sense today. And all of them are either on short-term contracts, or at cap hits that will make them easy to move in a year or two if a prospect comes in and steals their spot.

by David Supina on Jul 1, 2011 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that, like, what a lot of good teams do?

Absolutely, and I wasn’t saying that the depth on LW is a bad thing, just that Hordichuk’s being a LW isn’t one of the reasons he was signed (since the Oilers have an abundance), and that being the case, the Oilers would have been better off staying with the better player (Stortini) who also happens to be great in the community.

Does Hall play with more confidence, somehow, knowing he’s got someone who will jump any guy who takes a cheap shot at him? Maybe.

Right, maybe. And that’s one reason a guy like Eager is so valuable. He gives you the maybe and he can play. So if you have him, why do you need Hordichuk? Further, it seems likely to me that most top players would prefer having a fourth line that can be trusted in the defensive zone so that they themselves get more opportunities on offense. The benefit there is pretty quantifiable!

I think Copper and Blue’s writers, as a whole, are just frustrated that they’re not running the team, since every last one of you is convinced that you’d make a better GM than Tambellini.

I don’t really understand the point of these kinds of comments, but let me assure you that I’m not frustrated at not being the general manager of the Edmonton Oilers, and am happy to admit that I’m woefully under-qualified for that job. You’re right that I don’t think much of Tambellini, but I agree that some of his moves today were quite good (Eager, Barker, and Bélanger).

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 1, 2011 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wait, how the shit is Hordichuk going to “protect” Hall when he’s never on the same sheet as him, outside warm-up and practice?

That’s the real reason enforcers are useless. They can’t actually enforce in a timely fashion. Part of the basic psychology of punishment is that the more you delay the punishment, the less likely it is to be associated with the behaviour you wish to curb. Having Hordichuk hop over the boards in the third to pound on Goon B for something done in the first period is fucking pointless. He can’t come off the bench straight away, Hammer Schultz style, and he can’t stay on a line with Hall, like a Ferguson or even at times Semenko. So what’s the point?

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by Doogie2K on Jul 1, 2011 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

It’s the illusion of security…. Example: what are a bunch of rent-a-cops going to do at the airport if terrorists rush the place guns a blazing? Wouldn’t it make more sense to have military there, or maybe hire a capable milita to act as a guard instead of some high school washout sitting at a kiosk?

now that we have more than one enforcer, ‘they’ (Edm. media, know nothing fans, etc) can’t cry that we don’t.

by Bananahammer on Jul 2, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh really?

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by Scott Reynolds on Jul 2, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

THEY GRABBED HIM BECAUSE HE’S TOUGH!

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by Derek Zona on Jul 1, 2011 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hordichuk should formally be listed as a G.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 2, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s not even close. I don’t understand this at all.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 1, 2011 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hordichuk isn’t a role player. He’s a not-a-player. He’s a negative player who cannot help you win hockey games. His value is zero dollars and you can multiply that by as much as you want: it doesn’t change the number.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 1, 2011 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Hordichuk signing isn’t great, wasn’t he almost bounced out of the league last year or the year before because no one wanted him?

Still 1 year at $825K, meh. I don’t really care and I’m not concerned over this. If he puts Burrows in the hospital this season or even plows the guy’s head into the boards I’m down.

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by OilLeak on Jul 1, 2011 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah! Let’s waste money on something that might happen, but it’s way more likely that it will never happen!

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by Derek Zona on Jul 1, 2011 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

For the record I will count it $825,000 well spent if Hordichuk paralyzes Alex Burrows.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jul 2, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Bergenheim got 11 million over 4 years from FLA?!! FFS, Tallon has gone beyond crazy and is dropping tabs of LSD. Does he think he’s playing with Monopoly money? No wonder CHI got rid of this guy. He’s the NHL’s version of Santa Clause, giving all the little boys and girls exactly what they ask for.

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by OilLeak on Jul 1, 2011 9:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Gents, I think with all the rumours flying about that ST had been abducted and replaced by an imposter, or perhaps morphed by body snatchers, the Hordichuck signing was a sign to his followers that in fact, the St we see is the real ST.

Plus he got to one up the Canucks – boy they’ll be pissed we signed him after they let him get away!

by FastOil on Jul 2, 2011 9:31 AM MDT reply actions  

of course, because that is what the Canucks will be brooding angrily about all summer… Losing Hordichuck to the Oilers….

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