Dean Lombardi - Now THAT's how you build a winner
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Paul Holmgren grabbed the spotlight last week, trading away his two most prized showponies while walking down the aisle with a big stupid grin on his face and tying the knot with Ilya Bryzgalov. It was kind of like watching your poor neighbour tear up his garden because his wife didn't like the feng shui of the purple begonias, only to replace them with daffodils. I like daffodils.
But while Hockey Nerds the world over were all acutely aware of Scott Howson's need to land a big kinetic force to save his professional life in acquiring Jeff Carter, the big shock of the day came moments later; and the big winners of the day were the hockey fans of Los Angeles.
Those poor bastards. They haven't seen a good hockey team in a decade and a half. I think there was a playoff series win during the Palffy years, but that was as good as it got. I think their goalie back then was a bright shining star named Felix Potvin, which should tell you everything you really need to know about that dark time.
But Lombardi, oft criticized for being shy on the trigger and being the architect of a perpetual re-build, grew a pair last Thursday, landing Mike Richards and kicking aside the booster seat. The LA Kings were headed to the adults table, and like the Wu Tang Klan they "ain't nothing to f*#k with".
Team building in the modern NHL is fascinating - like watching a National Geographic series on the survival traits of jungle beasts. Some are able to hunt large game, timing an aggressive move that puts them over the top (Burke nets Pronger), while some grunt and growl and beat their chest only to mortgage the future of the franchise for Phil f*#king Kessel. Some do little. Some graze. Some dither. While some are patient and grow strong slowly and steadily.
The Kings were like a gangly teenager unsure of his own identity right after the lockout. In '05-'06 they celebrated one last losing season captained by Luc Robitaille, like a year's homage to the Gretzky years, before Lombardi was brought in to guide them out of their misguided wandering and save them from becoming the NHL equivalent of the Clippers.
Sure Lombardi inherited a team that had Dustin Brown and Anze Kopitar in its prospect pool, but Lombardi acknowledged that the team needed to build around a young core, rather than trying to build a winner before the fruit had ripened on the vine. The LA Kings were more sub-par than they were awful during the early days of Lombardi's tenure and have only Jonathan Bernier and Wayne Simmonds to show for the '06 and '07 drafts, wasting a couple on Trevor Lewis as well as blowing the 4th overall pick in 2007 on Thomas Hickey. Yikes.
LA eventually shed some of the older players destined for Free Agency like Pavol Demitra and Mike Cammalleri in exchange for draft picks, choosing to grow their identity and giving important ice to their young core which now included Jack Johnson, Jonathan Quick, and Simmonds. The "Youth Movement" is a nice spin on "tanking it", and for two more seasons the Kings learned to play the game by losing, and subsequently drafting high and obtaining a franchise D in Drew Doughty and the ultimate bargaining chip in Brayden Schenn in the process.
After finishing near the bottom in '08-'09 however, Lombardi decided that the Kings had grown up enough and it was time to compete again. None of this lavishing in 10th place where only the moss grows - with an asset known as cap space they obtained the Mullet, Mr. Ryan Smyth and adding Rob Scuderi's newly minted Stanley Cup ring and soldiered back into the playoffs the following season. From there they've never looked back.
And this is why I dig what Lombardi is doing - he identified the key parts of the puzzle (Brown, Kopitar, and Doughty), gave them time for their talent and leadership to mature, and then complimented them with young cost-effective players (Clifford, Martinez, Simmonds), and useful vets acquired on the cheap (Williams, Penner). It seems like a very reliable formula for building a perennial playoff team. The big move, of course, was the decision to part with a next generation player like Schenn in order to build an elite team NOW when the core is in place and the main engines are both firing and are all locked in at reasonable dollar contracts.
I would suggest that the Oilers are following a similar trajectory, although likely even more successfully than the Kings. Prior to acknowledging they were re-building the Kings had Brown, Quick, and Kopitar, while the Oilers own Eberle, Gagner, and Paajarvi. While the Kings took a while to reap the real benefits of a re-build, the Oilers took a long sorrowful look in the mirror, an exercise that has netted them generational talents in Hall and Nugent-Hopkins.
Not every decision that Lombardi made during his 5-year tenure was the right one. Drafts were questionable, the trade for Penner was a big swing and a miss. But the focus was consistent - acquire loads and loads of draft picks and prospects, build a team around the best ones and trade the B and C grade prospects for contributors like Williams, Smyth, and Penner, and don't get distracted by a risky move like Kovalchuk.
It took a while to acquire the depth of assets that LA did. They dealt away the productive members of their team and forefeited their stake in the playoffs over a long haul. But in that time they built the strongest pool of prospects in the entire league (on top of the Hockeys Future ranking for years). Not all of those propects will play in the NHL (cough Colten Teubert), nor will they play for the Kings, but their value was exchanged for something productive, and after Lombardi sat patiently in the weeds for the right opportunity to arise, they leveraged their unique asset - prospect depth - to bag a big lion in Richards. So until the Oilers can do likewise and make a run at Lord Stanley, I look forward to watching LA beat up on the Vancouver Canucks over the foreseeable future.
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an exercise that has netted them generational talents in Hall and Nugent-Hopkins.
Either you don’t know what that phrase means or your expectations are out of whack.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
Generational Talents
Indeed you’re right. I guess the GT designation is reserved for Gretzky, Crosby, Lemieux, etc. Hall and Nugent are likely to become really strong if not All-star calibre players. That’s what happens when your kid is wailing late at night and you just submit to getting the thing submitted already.
But I appreciate you nitpicking the one phrase you had a problem with, you excellent critic you. You’re like the Perez Hilton of SB Nation.
by John Chambers on Jun 28, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe a generic talent?
I’ve heard a few minutes of Bobco Stauffer’s Oiler’s Nooner most days over the past couple of months.
Every time someone mentioned how good RNH isn’t Stauffer just changed the subject.
Lah, Lah Lah, Defenseman drafted in the Top 5 crap out, Lah, Lah Lah…..
RNH will be good but they are a bit smitten with “saw him good.” It’s not like the other 5 or so in the top rankings were bad prospects either. I’m glad we had RNH but there really was no discussion whatsoever. They might regret it in a few years.
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by raventalon40 on Jun 28, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
The “saw him good” argument is funny for him because he was good the whole year, they could have watched every game and only had a handful that they would say he didnt play that great.
The more often the scouts saw him good, the further up the rankings he went.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 28, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah. Good article but you are more loose with the term “generational talent” than Kevin Pendergast was.
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to be fair, after watching the likes of mikhnov, ninimaaki, JDD, MAP,
Hall and Rnh would seem like generational talents. oh and Rob Schremp
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
Where did you get to watch Mikhnov and Niinimaki? Was it during my nap?
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 28, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions
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SumOil likely saw both players at the Oil’s Top Prospects Camps. I watched Mikhnov at one of these camps in Leduc (Schremp was also there), and he was unimpressive. While Schremp was putting on a show, Mikhnov skated with an anvil the whole time, looking more like a teenager waiting to get out of church and back home to the Playstation. SumOil, you nailed it!
Lombardi hasn’t won anything anywhere, and likely never will.
The Oilogosphere choose another teams "lose"r GM to fall in love with every summer. One summer it was Daryl Sutter. Another summer it was David Poile (even though he usually drafts defensemen in the first round. Lately its been Mike Gillis, even though Nonis built the team, farm team, and hired the coach and Keenan gifted him Luongo.
Why doesn’t Chiarelli get some love? He signed a 35 year old goalie to a 35+ five year $30 million dollar contract. He signed Lucic to an outrageous contract. He hired a coach fired by two previous organization unceremoniously.
With so many diverse opinions, it’s probably not wise to paint everyone with the same brush.
There’s one commenter fawning over Lombardi, not the whole Oilogosphere. There’s a difference between complimenting a good move and “falling in love”.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
I dunno, I like the way Lombardi has made his team, and I’ve been touting it for at least two years now.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m telling you, Godot = Tambellini.
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by Niesy on Jun 28, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Waiting for Godot…to improve his fucking team.
by Passive Voice on Jun 28, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
When did the Oilogosphere fall in love with Sutter?!
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When they did, I can only assure you of this: it wasn’t unanimous.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 28, 2011 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I’d like one example of anyone falling in love with Sutter, even a Flames writer.
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especially a Flames writer
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 28, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Who was GMing FLA at the time?
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it was Keenan. I was just trying to clarify godot’s point about most of the best Canucks being around when Gillis showed up.
by Passive Voice on Jun 28, 2011 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice article. I concur with commentors that Hall and RNH are likely not “generational talents”. We can hope for Sakic – Toews – Perry level (which is pretty darn good) but it isn’t Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby or likely even Stamkos.
But Tambi needs to be smarter and bolder than Lombardi because his roster and depth chart still lack balance and has some big question marks associated with it (hello goalies), as well he has at least one anchor contract to deal with.
Actually, Stamkos might be the best comparable for Hall, IMO. Similar numbers, similar progression, played in the same league, both mid-sized, offense-first players. Not generational talent, but not that far back, either.
by David Supina on Jun 28, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Except Stamkos is a significantly better goal scorer.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
I bet your going to tell me that Stamkos can pass a boating test. Without even studying…..
by Peacecountry on Jun 28, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Are you arguing that MSL drives shooting percentage?
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess I see many differences — the Oilers are tanking hard for a long time, scooping up more #1 overall picks, and they seemed more concerned with getting top-flight forwards first. The Kings stockpiled as many draft picks as they could over the last 5 years, but didn’t draft that high in the 1st very often — lucked into Doughty at #2, though.
To me there seems to be a philosophical divide, in that Lombardi emphasized rebuilding defense and goaltending first, then centers, and eventually focusing on wings. (Thus the Teubert and Hickey picks — they didn’t work out, but it’s ok because they drafted and developed gobs of D-men). If Lombardi had your #1, he would have gone Larsson.
Lombardi is also a big believer in “bridge players” to help and support the young guys — I don’t see Tambellini putting the same emphasis on that. It seems to me like the Oilers are trying to be Pittsburgh.
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Lombardi has been great at building “bridges to nowhere”.
Tim Thomas == Dwayne Roloson
Zdena Chara == Chris Pronger
Johnny Boychuk == Jason Smith
Andrew Ference == Steve Staios
Andrew McQuaid == Matt Greene
Dennis Seidenberg == Jaro Spacek
Toma Kaberle == Marc-Andre Bergeron
Bergeron == Peca
Krejci == Horcoff
kelly == Stoll
Campbell == Kelly
Lucic == Torres
Marchand == Smyth
Seguin == Samsonov
Paille == Moreau
Horton == Hemsky
Ryder == Pisani
Dvorak == Peverly
Thornton == Laraque
Julien (abuses young players) == MacT (abuses young players)
Was Chiarelli using the “Lowe” model?
by godot10 on Jun 28, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lombardi has been great at building "bridges to nowhere".
Well, that remains to be seen, doesn’t it? They are out of the hoarding prospects phase, and there is a much different ownership situation than in San Jose.
As for your Oilers/Bruins list — that’s a great piece of comedy right there.
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Some are able to hunt large game, timing an aggressive move that puts them over the top (Burke nets Pronger), while some grunt and growl and beat their chest only to mortgage the future of the franchise for Phil f*#king Kessel.
What I love about Canadian teams (and their blogs) is the vitriol we send towards each other. It just seems wittier and tastes better this side of the 49th, must be the maple trees. At best you get mocking sympathy (only when your team sucks, and only from the guys on the other side of the country), at worst… well, you know.
I would suggest that the Oilers are following a similar trajectory, although likely even more successfully than the Kings.
LOL
That is awfully hopeful. Dean Lombardi may not be the best GM out there, but he’s a pretty solid one, I think.
Steve Tambellini? Not so much.
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the Oilers took a long sorrowful look in the mirror, an exercise that has netted them generational talents in Hall and Nugent-Hopkins.
The Oilers spent to the cap, signed Khabby, tried to trade for Heatley, and hired Pat Quinn the year the finished 30th and netted Taylor Hall.
That’s the 25th time I’ve read that they tanked on purpose to get Hall.
They spent as much as they could, trying as hard as they could, and finished 30th and got Hall..
by Woodguy on Jun 28, 2011 4:33 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
There was no master plan to get to where they are. It was pure incompetence.
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