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Dispelling Ryan Smyth Trade Myths

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Edmonton's mainstream media has fallen into a curiously simultaneous lockstep view on the possibility of a Ryan Smyth trade.  As Smyth waits on a response from the Oilers and refuses to waive his no-trade clause to go to Calgary, the rhetoric intensifies.  Since the MSM writers are all pushing a similar viewpoint on Twitter, I thought it might behoove a non-mainstream writer to address some of their arguments and bring some accuracy to the debate.  After the jump, a breakdown of the arguments set forth thus far.

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  • "Ryan Smyth is a 3rd line wing" - He might be a third line left wing on the Montreal Canadiens of the 1970's, but on the Edmonton Oilers, he'd be the only proven tough-minutes left wing.  A check of his player card on Behind The Net shows a player taking on toughs and second-toughs and coming out ahead.  Taylor Hall is the power-versus-power wing in waiting, but last year he took on second-tough minutes and gave up a ton of scoring chances against, second-worst among the Oilers' forwards.  He could benefit from one more year against softer minutes while his complete game develops.  Ryan Smyth could step into the first line, tough minutes role with Sam Gagner and Ales Hemsky and the Oilers would be a much better team for it.
  • "He'll take ice time away from the Hall and Magnus Paajarvi" - With 60 minutes in every game there will be plenty of time to spread out between Hall, Smyth, and Paajarvi. What the addition of Smyth would do is take ice time away from Ryan Jones. Based on Jones' scoring chance data from last season that would be a good thing for the Oilers.
  • "The Oilers can't afford $6.25 million" - Smyth's actual salary is $4.5 million for 2011-2012.
  • "The Oilers can't afford $6.25 million cap hit" - The Oilers are currently below the cap floor and have $27 million in cap space.  There are no issues with cap space.
  • "The Oilers can't afford to let go of the draft pick." - In tearing apart the roster to finish last twice in a row, the Oilers have managed to convince the media and fans of an inflated value of draft choices.  The rumored price for Ryan Smyth is a 3rd round pick.  The odds that a 3rd round pick turns into a top player are something around 7.4%, or in other words, a longshot.
  • "Fans would be livid if the Oilers traded a 3rd round pick for an expensive 35 year-old forward not named Smyth" - If the Oilers sent away a 3rd round pick for a tough minutes forward of similar salary for a single year, Oiler fans would be extremely happy.  Daniel Alfredsson, Patrik Elias, Martin St. Louis, Teemu Selanne are all old forwards who can still play top minutes and all would make Oiler fans extremely happy in exchange for a 3rd round pick.
  • "This is all nostalgia" - The Oilers have three major needs going into the off-season.  If they can fill those needs they become a competitive team again.  They need a tough-minutes defender, a platoon goaltender and a top line left wing to play with Gagner and Hemsky.  

Keep in mind that should Tambellini decide to step in and make a deal, even for a third round pick, the MSM will do an about face on the issue and applaud the Oilers' decision-making, call Smyth an "ideal mentor" for a developing team, and call Steve Tambellini a sly fox for getting such value for such a low price.

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It is Ryan Nugent Hopkin’s Day.

This Smyth business should be left till tomorrow. It is disgusting that the Smyth gang is raining on RNH’s Day.

by godot10 on Jun 24, 2011 3:03 PM MDT reply actions  

This doesn’t make any sense at all. What interest does Smyth have in being moved today? If anyone is pushing for it to get done now, it’s overwhelmingly likely that it’s the L.A. Kings since they probably want to both get a pick from this year’s draft and move on to other things with knowledge that the Smyth thing is resolved.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 24, 2011 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not exactly Smyth’s decision to drag this into today. If Tambo had jumped on it, this could’ve been done yesterday under the cover of WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT FLYERS Day.

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by Doogie2K on Jun 24, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Allies could’ve invaded Normandy without a single casualty under the cover of “WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT FLYERS Day.”

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by Derek Zona on Jun 24, 2011 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Also, RNH Day? What is this, a fucking stat holiday or something? Is this Edmonton’s version of MLK Day? Should I be buying Red Deer Rebels jerseys in honour of The Great RNH?

And here I thought it was just another Entry Draft, where loads of trades are made in addition to the 30 selections. Fuck, was I ever wrong. To The Ryan! salutes

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by Doogie2K on Jun 24, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Is that like “To the pain”?

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by Derek Zona on Jun 24, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh gosh derek are u a closet “Andre the Giant” fan too?

by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Jun 24, 2011 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

What today should be is “Try Not To Be Completely Fucking Incompetent Day”. For Tambellini though that should be the goal everyday.

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by ryanbatty on Jun 24, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I do not believe any player available in the draft is that much of a childish dick.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 24, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Saint-Jean-Bapstiste day today. Maybe the Oilers should draft him with their first pick.

by Roke on Jun 24, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is a really weird thing for an adult to say. It sounds like either a mother on her small child’s birthday or a mother of the bride on her daughter’s wedding day. Until I figure it out, you get a

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by Derek Zona on Jun 24, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m saving this for when he’s top five in faceoffs and gets 60 assists 3-4 years from now.

by jeanshorts on Jun 24, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m still saving a similar comment asking why we’re so glad to have Jesse Niinimaki.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 24, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

The way you're on about this godot10

You’d think that you were the mother of the bride and that your other daughter just banged the groom on the headtable while everyone at the wedding watched.

You worship those in authority. We get it.

by Tyler Dellow on Jun 24, 2011 3:10 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

When you don’t have an argument, attack the person.

by godot10 on Jun 24, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s impossible to counter the peerless, unrelenting logic of “THIS IS RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS’S DAY!!!!!!”.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 24, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wait…. that comment WASN’T tongue-in-cheek?

Oh my.

by DarrenV on Jun 24, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think so

He’s been repeating it all over the internet. Most internet traffic today is “It is Ryan Nugent Hopkin’s Day.” from godot10. Second most is…porn.

by Tyler Dellow on Jun 24, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

John-Michael Liles pisses all over Ryan Nugent-Hopkins :( How dare he get traded on Nugent-Hopkins’ Day! (capitalization required)

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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 24, 2011 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Some of you guys, just don’t know how to call a bluff.

I see LA and Calgary pulled back their threatened all-in this afternoon.. Yeah, sure the Calgary ownership has to approve. It’s not all-in unless you take your hands off the chips. We were just joking that we had a deal done.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

by godot10 on Jun 24, 2011 3:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh, so you think the Oilers are going to trade for Smyth then because Tambellini was calling Calgary’s bluff? Is that what you’re saying? Please make it explicit if so.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 24, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I stated my qualified support for the return of Smyth in another thread.

I have been calling the Lombardi and Meehan leaks and theatrics a bluff to extract a greater toll for several days now.

But if this is how Meehan is going to behave next summer…

by godot10 on Jun 24, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t asking what you supported, I was asking for a prediction.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 24, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have also argued that the Oilers won’t do the deal today, on Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Day.

if the Oilers don’t have a deal with New Jersey for #4 and 2 bad contracts, then I think the deal gets done tomorrow.

by godot10 on Jun 24, 2011 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

So that is a prediction that the Oilers will trade for Ryan Smyth (I don’t really care what day it is). Okay. Thank you.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 24, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

So, everyone after Colorado’s pick then?

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by George E. Ays on Jun 24, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Spec is tossing around info that the Oilers are low balling the Kings in an offer for Smyth.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Jun 24, 2011 3:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Burke was praised by the oilogosphere for lowballing Lowe on Pronger.

by godot10 on Jun 24, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

And if he makes this trade for what is rumoured he’ll get praised here.

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by dawgbone98 on Jun 24, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep. If Tambellini grabs Smyth for a third or a fourth because Calgary was bluffing the whole time or they didn’t wind up having the cash, I will be pleased with Tambellini.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 24, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is what is being proposed, though; all the sources say it. It’s not like Lombardi is asking unreasonable things and has to have the price driven down.

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by Niesy on Jun 24, 2011 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, it all depends on how legit Calgary’s interest is. Are they hedging against the probability of losing Tanguay or are they dicking Edmonton around? In short, is this actually a bidding war?

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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 24, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have no idea. But I the rumored return for the Calgary trade is similar. I don’t think it’s a heated fight.

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by Niesy on Jun 24, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t trust rumoured returns as a rule. Remember when we were getting Niedermayer back for Pronger?

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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 24, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see your point. But when I read this interview with DL, and I truly believe he wants to do the right thing for Smyth. That is a difficult situation.

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by Niesy on Jun 24, 2011 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope Smyth accepts a trade to the Flames then, because moving him does not seem like it was in Lombardi’s plans.

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by Niesy on Jun 24, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think I like it better without the apostrophe, as in “Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Day”. Because then it’s not “his” day, it’s a day that he’s deigned to share with us.

by Passive Voice on Jun 24, 2011 4:02 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

“Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Day” sounds like the son of a British peer that murders three women on his boat.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 24, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

In tearing apart the roster to finish last twice in a row, the Oilers have managed to convince the media and fans of an inflated value of draft choices.

This is the narrative I’m getting the most sick of. Someone (Brownlee I think?) threw out the idea of the Oilers trading the 1st rounder for next year if it was part of a package for a legit player that fills a role they actually need. And everyone LOST THEIR MINDS at the mere suggestion of this. Like, how dare this team try to get better as soon as possible. There’s some 16 year old Russian kid who had a REALLY GOOD first season in North America! We’re only gonna be good if we finish 30th for a third season in a row and draft him!!!! That’s exactly what will turn this team around!

Also, something about Ryan Nugent-Smyth Day.

by jeanshorts on Jun 24, 2011 4:09 PM MDT reply actions  

The media cannot do an about face on that without criticism. It’s been their story for so long now.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 24, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Without another 1st overall pick how the hell do you ever expect the Oilers to be any good. It’s common knowledge that the team with the most #1s automatically wins the Stanley Cup every year.

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by ryanbatty on Jun 24, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you guys know if there’s any way the Oilers can sign the 2013 1st round draft pick to a 13 year, 50 million dollar deal? (The actual pick, not the player selected).

by jeanshorts on Jun 24, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would be excited if they traded next year’s first just because it would signal that they’re trying to win hockey games.

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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 24, 2011 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tensions run high here today it seems.

Get Smyth, heal an old wound and give Hall half a chance to enjoy his first few years in the league.

Smyth can teach Eberle and Gagner and Hemsky how to play the boards, win a battle and not get killed.

by FastOil on Jun 24, 2011 4:59 PM MDT reply actions  

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