Most Interesting Draft Eve, Holmgren Goes Nuts, Smyth Coming Home?
by SumOil on Jun 23, 2011 3:23 PM MDT
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PrintPaul Holmgren is the most interesting man in the world. No seriously. It takes a very special man to take the deepest forward line up in the entire NHL and dismantle it in the span of an hour. In my short span of hockey fandom, I have never seen the top 2 centers of a team traded within minutes of each other. Mike Richards and Jeff Carter - gone. Think about that Flyers fan who bought jerseys of both of them thinking that with them locked in long term deals, one ought to stay for awhile. After the jump lets take a raw look at the trades. I expect Scott to give a detailed analysis later :P
Trade #1: Jeff Carter to the Columbus Blue Jackets for Jakub Voracek, #8 overall and #98 overall
This is a trade that makes sense for both parties. Jeff Carter is a potential #1 center in the league who was not getting all the prime minutes due to the presence of so many skilled forwards on that Philadelphia team. On the other hand Columbus have been rushing their 1st round picks in hope that they will finally be the center for Rick Nash. I cant blame them as they had Malhotra playing there the year they made the playoffs. So this was a match made in heaven. Howson though did part with 2 excellent assets in #8th overall in the upcoming draft and J Voracek who is a very good young winger with a lot of potential.
Trade #2 Mike Richards to the Los Angeles Kings for Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds.
I don’t know what Steve Tambellini did to anger Holmgren, but he went ahead and grabbed both of the young players in the LA system which the Oilers have coveted for some time now. However this is a deal I do not understand. While I am sure Holmgren watched Tim Thomas stop an extraordinary amount of pucks and lead Boston in winning the Stanley cup, I am not sure he really saw the amazing work done by Patrice Bergeron through the 4 rounds of playoffs. Holmgren had a Bergeron, check that, he had someone better than Bergeron in Mike Richards who took on the tough assignments with Darrel Powe and Andreas Nodl as his linemates and ended up outscoring the best of them at ES. He was very good on the PP too. So why oh why did he trade away Richards for magic beans? I get it that Schenn is an amazing prospect, but in 3-4 years time Philly hopes that he becomes as good as Richards. So they essentially traded Richards for a potential Richards. I am dumbfounded.
Dean Lombardi on the other hand has the best 2nd line center in the league and now Terry Murray can let Kopitar create havoc in the offensive zone knowing Richards has their back.
Now the answer:
The whole thing was set up for the Grand Finale:
Ilya Bryzgalov : 9 years 51 million.
You know the very famous Hilter’s take videos on Youtube? We need one for this one. There is nothing else that describes what I feel more than the scene when Hitler takes his glasses off and you can see him shaking. OMFG what the hell did you do, Holmgren? In a market when Jose Theodore and his agent are going door to door asking for alms, the most interesting man in the world went ahead and handed a monster contract to a goalie who might help them win one more game than Sergei Bobrovsky did last season. The difference is that Bobrovksy would have done it for less than $1.5 million next season, but their franchise goalie would do it for around 5.5. I am sure it is front loaded and the cap hit will be higher until age 35. This has to be one of the most ridiculous signings since the Salary Cap was implemented. So one day after Bryzgalov turned 31, he is now sure to be employed until age 40 at a time when goalies are not really worth so much.
Holmgren could have easily kept Richards and maybe signed Tomas Vokoun for around 4 million! But no, one day before the draft Holmgren has put his foot down and said that draft day belongs to him and even if Oilers go ahead and draft Victor Rask first overall, it would not be the biggest story of the off-season.
Final Rumors:
- It has been reported that the Calgary Flames have asked Robyn Regehr to waive his no-movement clause and he looks set to move to Buffallo. Had they done this 20 days ago, they might have been able to hold onto Tim Erixon.
- Ryan Smyth appears to be on his way to Edmonton. Oilers reportedly sending a 4th round pick away.
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Well, the Kings sure don’t want any more salary. Although I’m sure they’d prefer to send Penner back.
Penner and Smyth for Cogliano and Brule. Sold.
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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2011 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I’d have some nice things to say about Mr. Tambellini if he managed to bring back both Smyth and Penner.
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Then he flips Khabibulin for Dwayne Roloson.
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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I would have to check my totem if that happened.
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I am sure it is front loaded and the cap hit will be higher until age 35
Since when does the cap hit change during a contract?
I dont remember the clauses of the new rule, but wasnt it like the cap hit till the age of 35 will be average of the salary made during that time and then after 35 the salary is the cap hit or somthing like that. I could even be misremembering
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
The new rules shouldn’t have an impact on this deal.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions
In any long-term contract that averages more than $5.75 million for the three highest-compensation seasons, the cap charge will be a minimum of $1 million for every season in which the player is 36-39 years of age. That $1 million value will then be used to determine the salary cap hit for the entire contract. If the contract takes the player into his 40s, the previous rule goes into effect.
I dont know the salary breakdown, but we would have to see if he is getting more than 5.75 million average in 3 highest paid years no?
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Reports are he’s getting $10m for 2011-12.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
But there’s no way he’s getting less than $1M in any of the nine seasons. At least, I wouldn’t think so.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2011 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
From McKenzie:
Here’s Bryzgalov’s year by year: $10M, $6.5M, $8M, $6M, $6M,, $5.5M, $5.5M $2.25M, $1.25M.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Would anyone here have done Gagner, Eberle, 31 for Richards?
by melancholyculkin on Jun 23, 2011 4:44 PM MDT reply actions
I’d have stared at it for hours.
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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Gagner’s a 21 year old coming off 3 straight 15g, 40 point seasons. That’s certainly better than Simmonds. The 31 is the best possible 2nd so that replaces that, so it’s basically whether they value Eberle more than Schenn.
The value’s awfully close.
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by George E. Ays on Jun 23, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Simmonds fills an entirely different role than Gagner. Hell, the Oilers would have been better off trading for him.
Gagner’s role on the Flyers is already taken care of by superior players, and now Schenn could end up in that boat as well.
I just don’t see why Holmgren would have any interest.
Flyers were missing a center and a wing after losing Richards and Carter. Eberle+Gagner and Simmonds+Schenn are both a wing and a center. I think Eberle is supposed to be more of an all-situations player than Simmonds, right? Balances with Schenn’s same advantage over Gagner.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2011 1:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Another positive for Columbus and LA in the deals is they do not have to be bound by the no-trade clauses of Carter and Richards:
Part of Section 11.8(a) of the CBA:
If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof.
The same clause applied to Visnovsky’s contract when he came to Edmonton. The Oilers agreed to honor it. I have yet to hear of a situation where the team receiving the player has not honored the NMC or NTC. I think GMs cave way too quick on these matters.
Maybe you know Roke. Cannot the same be said anytime a player waives a NTC or NMC. Does the act of waiving them not make them null and void for the receiving team?
The Oilers agreed to honour the clause.. Why the heck would you do that? I know players aren’t emotionless robots but you give up a lot of flexibility by doing so
I only glanced at the clause to quote it because I remembered it being talked about when Lecavalier was rumoured to be traded to Montreal before the deal fell through and the Habs went out and got Gomez.
Looking at the section on NMC/NTC, it only states that clubs can choose not to be bound if the player is dealt before it goes into effect. Since there is no provision for waiving once = waiving for the term of the contract and, from what I recall from what I’ve read outside the CBA, that would not be the case if a player waives their NTC/NMC after it goes into effect.
Why would you trade for a guy who has a no-trade clause and then tell them that you won’t honor that clause? It’s an act of bad faith – almost as bad faith as trading a guy who signed an 11 year deal before he even started playing under that deal.
Yeah… kind of a dick move to trade for a guy and say “Jeff, we really love you as a player and are looking forward to you being on our team… but we don’t want to honour your no-trade clause. No, it’s not about you… it’s just too risky… please play hard and don’t hate us”.
You might be able to pull it off if you’re a team that somehow doesn’t hand out the clauses “it’s team policy not to have them” or some BS… but since they get handed out like candy I don’t think there’s a team in the league that could actually say that.
Or they’re just trying to make it more expensive for Edmonton
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I just don’t understand how the Flames can afford Smyth. They’ve got $7 million in cap space right now, so Smyth would almost use all of that up.
Even if they move Regehr and add Smyth, that leaves them with $4.81 million to re-sign Tanguay and Morrison with and also sign some Dmen.
I just don’t see it. What’s the source for this rumour?
by melancholyculkin on Jun 23, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Bob McKenzie. Seems like a move to make the Oilers pay more.
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I can’t imagine Smyth waiving his NMC to go to Calgary. He had the opportunity to sign there as a UFA and didn’t because of the slap to the face it would have been to his career long fans, I doubt he does it now.
Rumour is he wants to be closer to his Family in ALB.
If EDM won’t pay, CGY might. Or so the rumour goes.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 23, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions
imo just pressurizing edmonton
Smyth going to calgary if we could have had him would be huge PR disaster
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
I can see Smyth refusing to go to Calgary as a UFA that summer. I can’t see him refusing to go after the Oilers decide that he’s not worth a fourth round pick.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I gotta agree with Sum here. Even if the Flames deal Regehr it would probably cost them Tanguay, and then they’d have to sign a bunch of Dmen for the league minimum in order to fill out the roster. If Calgary wants to challenge Edmonton to see who can allow the most goals next year then sure, go ahead and deal for Smyth…
by melancholyculkin on Jun 23, 2011 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
For what it’s worth: According to the G&M (Duhatschek) the flames are having a hard time signing Tanguay, which, in addition to the reasons given by Smyth for requesting a move, is a plausible reason for the Flames being involved.
As much of a feel good story as it would be to have Smyth back, his contract would totally fuck the Flames for yet another year, so I say, enjoy Calgary Ryan. We’ll see you next summer when you are a free agent.
His contract would fuck them unless they lose Tanguay, in which case they’d be making the best out of a bad situation (and I’d be backing the Brinks truck up in front of Tanguay’s house).
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by Benjamin Massey on Jun 24, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
As much as it would pain me to see Smyth in a Flames jersey, if Calgary overpays for him then they can go ahead and have him. Tambellini should then give Smyth’s $4 Million to Tanguay, because Tanguay might actually be the better player right now.
by melancholyculkin on Jun 24, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I suppose Voracek could be had with a pretty reasonable offer sheet now. Are the Oilers ready for that yet?
by RiversQ on Jun 23, 2011 10:02 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I feel like Lou from major league but, that’s a helluvan idea.
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You could even go for the double with Voracek and Simmonds.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2011 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s now my new favorite dual. Before it was Frolik Brouwer, but this is now the best. They’d be hosed too, there’s nothing they could do, short of dumping Hartnell.
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Sign both of those offer sheets and then after they’re sufficiently fucked swoop in and offer to take Hartnell off their hands? I like it.
by melancholyculkin on Jun 23, 2011 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions
The best part is that you know they’re not attached to Philadelphia.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2011 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Roke brought that up elsewhere and I totally agree.
But it makes even more sense for an established Eastern conference rival with cap space to try than the Oilers. Montreal, Washington and Buffalo would be in great position to try to screw with Philadelphia while they are disorganized, much like what San Jose pulled last summer against their playoff rival Chicago.
by Stephan Cooper on Jun 24, 2011 2:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I love it. I absolutely love it.
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Yeah… I think it’s a brilliant idea and I’ve loved the dual offer sheet framework.
Looking at the Flyers’ cap situation right now, $7 million on the two players puts them in a tough spot very close to the cap where a guy like Oskars Bartulis would be their #6 defenseman.
If they are smart they would have room to maneuver in an though, if they want to manage like emotionless robots. Get rid of Bobrovsky, put Shelley and Leighton in the minors, sign a league-minimum backup, and I assume Laperriere isn’t going to play again and ends up on LTIR.
As long as they don’t do something stupid (like re-sign Leino for more than what Versteeg makes and keep Versteeg) they would be able to match $7 million worth of offer sheets. The screw your neighbour makes it a somewhat attractive gamble for Eastern Conference teams but that’s more of a bonus than a reason to try it.
If the house in Philadelphia isn’t in order, $7 million gets it done. If retaliation concerns you they aren’t exactly in a great position to do that next season either.
Unfortunately, WSH ditched next year’s 2nd as part of the Jason Arnott trade. Sucks to not have draft picks.
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by red army line on Jun 26, 2011 1:39 AM MDT up reply actions
God I hope somebody does it!
Because that will probably screw them up for JVR and Giroux next year!
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by Keith Quinn on Jun 24, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Had they done this 20 days ago, they might have been able to hold onto Tim Erixon.
Nope. Erixon had no interest in signing in Calgary under any circumstances. His agent suggested it was because of Calgary’s reputation for not playing youngsters, but the more likely scenario is, he wanted to play for his dad’s team. Done and done.
(Yes, I had to spend two hours listening to this story in downtown rush hour traffic as opposed to, say, the Stanley Cup Final, which started the next day. I fucking hate sports talk radio.)
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I’m pretty surprised that more players don’t do this. If the team hasn’t given you a contract through your two years, they’ve let you take on all of the risk (of poor performance, injury). If you have a preferred destination, you can use the CBA to try to get there, and if the team tells you to screw off, then you just go back into the draft, and likely don’t lose much.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 24, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
KLowe back as GM? Lol
Over on sportsnet.ca, if you go to the hockey home page (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/) and select ‘Spector on draft’, the preview picture has Lowe, Burke and the new Winnipeg GM Chevy-somthing, with the caption “NHL GMs have to stick to their plans and then hope for the best at the draft”. I thought Tambi was our GM? The puppetmaster is exposed? LOL
No, didn’t you watch the awards? Tambellini’s in charge of the Canucks and won GM of the year.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 24, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
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