Carter traded to Columbus
In a blockbuster trade, the Flyers have sent Jeff Carter to Columbus for Jakub Voracek, the 8th overall pick and another 3rd rounder. Now they can sign Ilya Bryzgalov in peace and get comparable goaltending to Bobrovsky for the cost of Carter and 5+ million.
Well more relevent part is that Oilers will now have a tougher time getting another pick in the top 10 as one of the most available picks is now gone.
11 months ago
SumOil
72 comments
0 recs |
Email
PrintComments
I would have done a lot for Carter but not, I think, as much as Columbus did. If we had a #8 I’d have moved it but we don’t, we have a #1 and a #19. I’m not willing to toss the #1 and I don’t think would have sweetened the deal enough to practically move the #19.
The closest I can get is Carter for Gagner, #19, #31, and… what? 2012 1st? I’m not feeling it.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
That said, Tambellini should be phoning everyone he knows in Philadelphia’s front office right now shouting “PAAJARVI, GAGNER, #19 FOR RICHARDS!!!!” at the top of his lungs.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Really? Wow. I am with you on Gagner and 19, but I am struggling with Paajarvi in there. I would rather add another peice, even if it was Hemsky.
That said, I agree that Tambi had better be talking to Snider and Holmgren. Richards has had a prickly relationship with the media in Philly and there has been buzz about Richards also being dealt and he would be perfect for the Oilers and just the right cap hit if he is playing on the top line in place of Horcoff.
Paajarvi is a useful guy but he’s a second-tier prospect. He’s not an NHL All-Star in the making but he’ll get some points. I think that’s worth it for Mike Fucking Richards.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Gagner, 19 and 31 is fair.
8th Voracek and 98 is a bit steep, considerign superstars dont really get you that much back in a trade. both parties were desperate and I think Philly won the trade.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
Possibly fair (though I doubt it, Carter is nails) but definitely not as good as Columbus’s offer. That’s what we have to beat here.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh yeah CBJ offer is kinda rough unless we do gagner and 2012 1st rounder + calgary 3rd rounder
That would be comparable
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
Voracek > Gagner
2011 #8 = 2012 1st-rounder
Columbus 3rd-rounder > Calgary 3rd-rounder
Still not feeling it.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions
probably. Carter is probably a consitent 40+ goal guy playing top line mins with Hemsky and Hall. Plus he improves our faceoffs significantly and adds size up the middle. Nobody knows how good RNH will be, but that is a pretty lofty target. I like Gagner but don’t think he will ever approach Carter totals.
by Oi on Jun 23, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, that sucks. I don’t see anyway the Oilers could have beat that offer without throwing in the 1st overall pick. Clearly 19, plus Gagner and a 3rd would not have done it. Carter would have looked great between Hall and Eberle or with Hemsky and Hartikainen
Its funny that Howson parted with 2 really good assets in order to acquire carter even though the pressure was on Flyers to make the trade.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
the flyers had options and could have dumped any other asset as well (e.g. hartnell). the pressure is on CBJ to make the playoffs at all costs so they want the top end guy. pretty hard to argue that is a bad trade for CBJ when there are not that many guys that are potential 40+ goal men.
by Oi on Jun 23, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess I see your point. Howson was probably more desperate/impatient than Holmgren.
Philly would have survived not signing Bryzgalov, but Howson wouldnt survive another season out of playoffs.
Now if only they go ahead and sign some D. Wisneiwiski should be target#1
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
Simmonds = Eberle (being generous because I love Eberle)
Schenn >>> #19
Sorry.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think that gets it done. Simmonds is already established, and Schenn is a high-end prospect. Eberle is somewhere between those two but probably covers one of the pieces; you’d need something a lot better than 19th OV to beat the LA package though.
The biggest fanana of the Havana Bananas.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Simmonds value is low right now and probably could be had for 19th overall. And again considering the season Eberle had coupled with his past laurels, I am sure opposing GM would consider it.
i would say 19th overall> simmonds and schenn slightly ahead of Eberle.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
LA deal blows that away.
Trading Eberle at all is stupid anyways. The Oilers are clearly trying to form relationships among their young players. I’m sure Hall would be thrilled to have a friend and roommate dealt.
I am also sure he would sulk to play as a linemate of Mike Richards
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
- >> #19 plus #31 even if one consider Vorachek and Gagner even.
- plus a third round plus Vocachek is way better than Gagner, #19, and #31
The Carter trade is awesome for Philly (Voracek, Strome/Zibanejad and 3rd is pretty sweet)
The Richards trade means this is a full re-set and I don’t get that at all. I like Schenn and all but…
Why pair a rebuild with an old goalie?
Exactly….Why the hell is Richards gone?
Sudenly I am not going to be cheering for Philly anymore. Let them get B Richards or whoever they want.
getting rid of Richards was dumb.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
Yeah I get the first trade. It’s a gamble but I get it. The Richards trade though? I’m lost.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
Writer for The Copper & Blue and a frequenter of the time waster that is Twitter.
Supposedly Mike Richards didn’t get along with Pronger and Laviolette.
Clarke and Holmgren didn’t like the fact that he lived downtown, and not in the suburbs, and partied.
Pronger probably fucked his wife and burned his rental furniture.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 7 recs
terrible reason to trade.
And these stories will always be there when a team makes a secind round exit due to stupid management decision witht he goaltenders.
I used to think holmgren is a wise man. I think he just pulled a K-lowe post 2006
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
Yeah, that is an awful reason to move a guy. This whole reset in Philly doesn’t make much sense to me. They’ve acquired some great talent under 23, but now they’re tied into a goalie from 31 to 39, and they’ve got Pronger into his post-prime as well. It just doesn’t really seem well thought through.
The biggest fanana of the Havana Bananas.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2011 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Not quite. Think a bit further up the highway.
The biggest fanana of the Havana Bananas.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh no i get the Oilers reference.
But if they sign Richards, then thier #1 goalie, top shutdown defenseman and best offensive forward all above 30.
At lest ST’s mistake will cost only 2 more years
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
I don’t think they’ve got the space for Richards. Not without another trade.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
Writer for The Copper & Blue and a frequenter of the time waster that is Twitter.
If they send us Hartnell that would give them the space.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
Writer for The Copper & Blue and a frequenter of the time waster that is Twitter.
I will have to see. but cap is now 63.4 mil and they can exceed by 10 percent. So they could sign him and then make necessary deals/ buyouts/ sending players to minors/europe
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=24
It’d be tough to pull off with the RFAs they still need to sign.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
Writer for The Copper & Blue and a frequenter of the time waster that is Twitter.
I’m probably the only one but I think Philly won BOTH trades… they still have some great guns, can now sign Bryzgalov, have some picks, a lot more money (and unlike us, free agents want to sign there) and some pics. Schenn, Voracek and Simmonds (plus Bryzgalov inadvertently) and whoever they pick is a fantastic day for any club. I was shocked to see them trade both guys as well.. but I think they did really good and I hate Philly! Can’t deny they have a great nucleas going into next year though and for the next few. I wonder who they’ll sign and if they are done trading?
I think Philly is a worse team today. Voracek, Schenn and Simmonds aren’t going to provide the play that Carter and Richards did. Bryzgalov is a good goalie but the contract that’s floating around is completely insane and will cripple that franchise.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
I knew you would be happy to see voracek go to Philly!
But yeah as DB said. They are a worse club today and even if they sign Brad Richards, they would still be worse.
Success is not a goal..its a byproduct
I was with the Flyers until they signed Bryz until he’s 50 years old. I am a Simmonds fan and think Schenn could be the real deal. I’ll be curious to see if Voracek fits into Philly… I’m actually skeptical about it… but I am definitely a huge fan of his.
Yeah, whether you liked it or not, at least there looked to be a consistent plan before the Bryzgalov signing. And then it all turned to mush.
The biggest fanana of the Havana Bananas.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Bryzgalov just signed with Philly… 9 years $51 mil. 5.67 cap hit.
Insane I tell you.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
But less crazy than the $51M over 7 years that was originally reported.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
Writer for The Copper & Blue and a frequenter of the time waster that is Twitter.
In the short term… once year 5 hits it’s going to be a mess.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
9 years?
Seriously, has there ever been a goalie contract over 5 years that was worth it? I would never sign a goalie for more than 5….. now I think the Flyers are look a little stupid.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on The Copper & Blue
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
Oilers Schedule
Last 5 Games
@
Vancouver
|
Sat 04/07 | L 0 - 3 |
|
Anaheim
|
Thu 04/05 | OT - L 2 - 3 |
|
@
Los Angeles
|
Mon 04/02 | L 0 - 2 |
|
@
Anaheim
|
Sun 04/01 | W 2 - 1 |
|
Los Angeles
|
Fri 03/30 | L 1 - 4 |
In Association With
Latest Puck Daddy - NHL from Yahoo! Sports
- Trending Topics: In praise of Jeff Carter, Mike Richards; ‘While The Men Watch’ criticism
- The John Tortorella origin story, including ground balls to the face
- NHL investigates Coyotes; Shane Doan explains tense Game 5 handshake with Kings’ Brown
- NHL Playoff Beard Watch: Blood, Sweat and Beards of unsung unshaven heroes
- Devils guarantee they’ll downplay 1994 conference finals for Game 6 vs. Rangers
