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Oilers Scoring Chances By Line Combinations

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We've been through segments and WOWYs, the power play and the penalty kill, and learned a lot and uncovered some interesting nuggets of information.  To explore the scoring chances a bit further, I'm lifting a concept from Neil at Russian Machine Never Breaks:  scoring chances by line combination.

As always, thanks to Dennis King at MC79hockey for recording all of this information.

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TCF = season total even strength chances for; TCA = season total even strength chances against; CH% = scoring chance percentage

*Table is sortable by column, simply click on the column header.  Initial sort is on CH%

LW C RW
TCF TCA CH%
Hall Horcoff Penner
23 7 0.767
Penner Gagner Hemsky
47 31 0.603
Paajarvi Reddox Omark
15 10 0.600
Penner Hall Hemsky
26 18 0.591
Hall Horcoff Eberle
78 57 0.578
Jacques Fraser Stortini
19 14 0.576
Hall Gagner Hemsky
20 16 0.556
Hall Cogliano Eberle
71 68 0.511
Paajarvi Cogliano Penner
21 21 0.500
Hall Gagner Eberle
63 63 0.500
Reddox Cogliano Jones
26 27 0.491
Paajarvi Gagner Jones
23 25 0.479
Penner Cogliano Brule
39 43 0.476
Paajarvi Gagner Omark
51 65 0.440
Penner Horcoff Hemsky
34 45 0.430
Paajarvi Gagner Hemsky
14 24 0.368
Jones Fraser Stortini
10 21 0.323
Jacques Fraser Jones
3 16 0.158

 

  • In 2009-2010, Dustin Penner, Sam Gagner and Ales Hemsky posted a CH% of 56.1% after the failed J.F. Jacques experiment and before Hemsky's injuries ended his season in November.  This year as Tom Renney struggled to find consistent lines, Penner-Gagner-Hemsky posted a chance percentage of 60.3%, marking them as the most successful line by the chances metric.
  • Injuries doomed the team's second-most successful regular line, Taylor Hall, Shawn Horcoff and Jordan Eberle. When they were together, they posted 57.6%, meaning the top two lines were solid when healthy and together.
  • My favorite line combination is J.F. Jacques, Colin Fraser, and Zack Stortini.  Even though it was extremely limited viewing, the line posted 57.6%, or 34 percentage points higher than Ryan Jones, Fraser and Stortini and 42 percentage points higher than Jacques, Fraser and Jones.  It's interesting that after all of these years, it's not their own play that sent away Jacques and Stortini - it's that of Ryan Jones.  Stortini has to be extremely frustrated by this.
  • Sort the table by "C".  Note Gagner's percentages when he's on the ice with a pair of competent linemates.  He might not be able to carry a line on his own, but he's certainly not holding back better players.  His chance percentage when on the ice with Penner/Hall and Hemsky is better than that of Henrik Sedin's percentage against the Oilers over the last two seasons.  His chance percentage with competent players is better than that of the league MVP against the worst team in the league.  There's a real player there, he's just not capable of carrying a line on his own.  Yet.  He's only 22, give it time.
  • Keep the sort on the "C" because there's another revelation in here.  Andrew Cogliano's percentages with consistent linemates isn't terrible, and at times looks okay.  He was saddled with Ethan Moreau for two years and was saddled with a number of randoms last season.  I still believe the organization needs to accept that he's never going to be a center and come to an agreement to move him to wing, but there is a glimmer of hope in these numbers.
  • Now sort the table by "RW" and look at the three Jordan Eberle rows.  We saw Eberle's without Hall numbers and given the above information, there is no way that Tom Renney should separate the two next season.  Hall had success no matter the linemates, but Eberle was somewhat dependent on Hall.
  • Although the horse has already left the barn, to Sweden in fact, Liam Reddox did just fine against lower competition with talented players.  He's going to find his way back into the NHL at some point.
  • Three of the top four combos have a common player, Dustin Penner.  Five of the top eight combos have a common player - Taylor Hall.  The Oilers had actualy NHL depth at LW, at least at the top of the roster last season. 

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I think the most disappointing has to be the Paajarvi-Gagner-Omark line.

No metric on Paajarvi-Gagner-Hemsky? I thought they played some time together last season? that would be interesting to see due to Hemksy/Omark effectively battling for that 2nd line RW spot.

by NZoilerfan on Jun 20, 2011 7:07 AM MDT reply actions  

According to Dobberhockey 91 played 5.37% of his time with 89 and 83, and recorded 8.82% (3pts) of his EV points with them.

I agree that they should show up somewhere, but I’m not sure what Derek used as the cut off for scoring chances to be included.

Derek, would like to see that line too.

Also,

Interesting that Horpensky looks so bad. Last year they were the best and it wasn’t close.

by Woodguy on Jun 20, 2011 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorting by TCF, Hall and Eberle carried this team regardless who they were with. But at the same time, sort by TCA and they were right up there regardless who they were with. Obiously they did thier best work with Horcoff, so hopefully Renny keeps the 3 of them together for as much as possible next season.

Insert Witty Comment Here

by VanillaAcid on Jun 20, 2011 7:29 AM MDT reply actions  

No surprise to see Penner’s name on a lot of top combos. Big loss to the team.

More of a surprise to see how poorly Horpensky did this year. What the heck was wrong with them? They seemed out of sync. Seems to me that after his big scoring 2009-10 year, Penner was better used in role as playmaker with the puck, and he might been out of sync having to be the crash-the-net guy with Horcoff and Hemsky, his old role.

We can also see here just how much Jones was weighed down by linemates Fraser and Jacques, who were AHLers, at best, last year.

P.S. BTW, A very sensible way to look at this information, as it is a measure of how the team did with certain players on the ice, a measure of five players’ efforts (and not so much the efforts of any one player).

I’d even be more curious to see how various units of four or five players did by this.

by David Staples @ The Cult of Hockey on Jun 20, 2011 9:00 AM MDT reply actions  

BTW, A very sensible way to look at this information, as it is a measure of how the team did with certain players on the ice, a measure of five players’ efforts (and not so much the efforts of any one player).

It was definitely helpful for the Caps season this year, especially with Boudreau trying so many different line combos – most notably when Chimera had his stint on the top line.

"Shots aren't the important thing. Scoring chances are way more important than shots." - Bruce Boudreau

See my work on WaPo's Capitals Insider, ESPN Insider and Russian Machine Never Breaks (RMNB) Insider. I also log the Caps scoring chances. The 2010-11 summary spreadsheet is posted on Google Docs.

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by NGreenberg on Jun 20, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

We can also see here just how much Jones was weighed down by linemates Fraser and Jacques,

Say who in the what now?

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jun 20, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

We can also see here just how much Jones was weighed down by linemates Fraser and Jacques, who were AHLers, at best, last year.

David are you on glue?

JFJ-Fraser-Jones 0.158
Jones-Fraser-Stortini 0.323
JFJ -Fraser-Strortini 0.576

Look at that and explain how everyone else other than Jones is the problem.
Massive increase when replacing Jones with JFJ of all people.

by Woodguy on Jun 20, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

May I suggest it was sarcasm? Oh lord, please be sarcasm.

by Yeti# on Jun 20, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

We can also see here just how much Jones was weighed down by linemates Fraser and Jacques, who were AHLers, at best, last year.

One of Edmonton’s most popular professional sportswriters, ladies and gentlemen!

by Adam Dyck on Jun 21, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also interesting to see Omark did so much better with Reddox than Gagner.

We know Omark is a player who dominates puck, who is the playmaker, so it’s redundant perhaps to have Gagner on line with him. He works best with players like Horcoff, Hartikainen, Vande Velde, Paajarvi, net-crashing types.

Again, thanks for this info. Great stuff and much to be learned from it.

by David Staples @ The Cult of Hockey on Jun 20, 2011 9:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Great article. I am wondering though, what was the cutoff?

It is hard to see if Eberle was dependent on Hall as there is no comparison rows with Paajarvi or Penner. While my eyes showed this to be true, it isn’t shown in this data.

Similarly, there is only one line comparison for Gagner vs Cogliano. In that one case Cogs performed better, so it would be interesting to see the other line comparisons that make you so much more math-keen on Gagner than him.

by till_horcoff_is_coach on Jun 20, 2011 11:05 AM MDT reply actions  

Just can’t see blaming Ryan Jones for all the scoring chances he was out on the ice for, as he was just one of five players out there and, as the net-crasher in the group, would often be the last man back with the least amount of defensive responsibility.

Then there’s the fact that on most of those chances against, he’s playing with Foster, Fraser, JFJ, Strudwick, Vandermeer, Gagner, all of them leaking chances left, right and centre.

So it makes me uncomfortable to blame him for their mistakes.

by David Staples @ The Cult of Hockey on Jun 20, 2011 11:55 AM MDT reply actions  

David,

So how to you explain everyone’s numbers increasing substantially away from Jones?

Your defense of him in the face of the SC data is strange. His “AHL caliber” team mates are all much better in terms in SC when they are away from him.

by Woodguy on Jun 20, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Except you neglected to note the wowy that Zona linked to earlier: http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/5/6/2157593/ryan-jones-scoring-chances-2010-2011

Note that JFJ also plays with those other players you listed and does noticeably better.

by till_horcoff_is_coach on Jun 20, 2011 12:32 PM MDT reply actions  

It goes without saying..

because I logged the chances; but I will say it anyway:)

That 91-89-23 line could be nightmarish.

Nice comment up top about how 89 is good enough to keep up with the vets but he can’t carry the humdrums.

Nice to see 4 and 14 come out well and more evidence to the fact those guys are Real players already. Now we need to find our who mixes well with 91. Maybe it’s 23 who takes a big leap after his first season.

by DennisK on Jun 20, 2011 12:43 PM MDT reply actions  

first great work, again. How should the Oilers start based on the findings of last season? Of these, the possibility of trades in the off-season is to be seen. What we need? A 2nd line Leftwing for 89 – 83, and a 3rd line center for 91 – x – 23? Based on the work developed here should allow these players are.

by Screaming69 on Jun 21, 2011 1:15 AM MDT reply actions  

Great minds and all, I guess, but check back tomorrow morning :)

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jun 21, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

One of the thinks to remember about Eberle without Hall was the fact that the roster was completely decimated at the end of the year.

When Eberle was hurt, the Oilers still had Hemsky, Horcoff, Penner, etc.. in the lineup. When Hall was out, none of those 3 players were in the lineup anymore.

It’s not just who you play with, but who you can play behind as well. I’d love to see an analysis of Eberle’s qualcomp/qualteam after the Hall injury.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Jun 21, 2011 1:08 PM MDT reply actions  

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