Goal Differential in the Post-Season
One thing that recent Stanley Cup winners have in common is dominance on the scoreboard both in the regular season and in the playoffs. With a +77 goal differential, and the best record in games decided by two or more (excluding empty netters) in the regular season, the Vancouver Canucks have the regular season part down cold. The playoffs, however, are a different story. Just one win away from a Stanley Cup victory, the Canucks have a -4 goal differential and a rather poor 3-4 record in games decided by at least two goals (excluding empty netters). Is this kind of thing common?
No sir. The chart below shows the goal differential for each Cup winner since the league went to the four best-of-seven series format for the 1986-87 season, as well as the goal differential for this year's Canucks and Bruins:If the Bruins come back to win the series, they'll be solidly in the middle of the pack, but the Canucks are a real outlier, currently sitting 17 goals behind the next closest team, and the only club in the table with a negative goal differential. It's just... odd. But also kind of great because now we know that even if the Canucks manage to pull out a victory tomorrow night, we can sleep easy knowing that they'll be one of the the worst Cup champions ever along with that deplorable Carolina squad from 2005-06, the Pronger Ducks, and Patrick Roy's miracle Canadiens.
More seriously, just look at all of those post-lockout teams near the bottom. One of the things the league was hoping to accomplish with the lockout was greater parity, and these numbers seem to suggest that that has been accomplished. If the Canucks do go on to win, six of the seven post-lockout seasons will take six of the bottom seven spots with the 2007-08 Red Wings being the lone club to buck the trend.
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A lot of that negative GD is due to four games where they got bludgeoned (7-1, 5-0 vs. CHI; 8-1, 4-0 vs. BOS). That’s -22 on its own. Take them out, and they’re +18 and right back in the pack.
Sure, four outlier games is a hell of a lot, but I don’t think it means a ton in the grand scheme of things, especially considering that the rest of the 100-game sample shows the Canucks having a solid GD, SD, etc.
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Firstly, the Canucks piece is both somewhat in jest (they’re obviously a good team), but also just really bizarre. As for chucking losses, I don’t see why we should do that given we’re already talking about teams that aren’t going to have many losses, but I really don’t see why we should do it for just one team. If you do it for everyone’s four worst losses, they’re back at the very bottom, but by a less significant margin. The Hurricanes and Ducks, for instance, jump to +27 and +24 respectively.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 12, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Those four games are nearly 20% of the total, so it’s not like they are insignificant.
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I guess I just find it very striking that four (now five) games can completely skew the numbers that severely.
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Make it six games
and you won’t even have to worry anymore about VAN being on the list.
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by ChicagoNativeSon on Jun 14, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t care that much; the Canucks are my GF’s team. The statistical anomaly is just so bloody striking and bizarre. I mean, 8 GF-19 GA, and the series is tied? What the shit?
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Well yes
but has any team in the history of the Stanley Cup finals been screwed over by the refs as consistently as the Canucks have this post-season???
I think not!
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It’s a conspiracy!
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 12, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Puh-leeeeeeze
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 12, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
what you just wrote makes zero sense.
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by exsanguinator on Jun 12, 2011 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Temujin’s sarcasm may have been missed a little.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 12, 2011 6:50 PM MDT up reply actions
No I got it, was just fighting fire with fire.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 14, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say it’s been consistent, there was that game against SJ with the back to back to back 5 on 3
by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Jun 12, 2011 10:49 AM MDT reply actions
After the Canucks fluked past Chicago I inquired on Twitter if anybody knew of a series where the winning team had been outscored by six (6) goals before. Nobody knew fgor sure, but I think it’s safe to say it is an extremely rare “accomplishment”.
Now those same Canucks are somehow leading the SCF despite being outscored by EIGHT (8 !) goals.
Obviously, clutch exists, and it lives exclusively in VanCity.
Alternately, the Canucks are the luckiest sons-of-bitches to ever skate on this planet. You decide. (And Temujin doesn’t have a vote.)
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i call shenanigans.
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Given how they won game 5 against the Sharks, yeah I’ll agree they are lucky as hell.
Such is life tho, you can either accept the luck of others or be bitter. :)
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Actually what’s happening to Vancouver seems to be the reverse of “clutch”… the occasional “meltdown” game where they give up a truckload of negative goal-differential.
Boston’s case is equally interesting, they seem to have run into a couple goaltending meltdowns of their opponents (Philly mostly, but Tampa as well) and collected the entirety of their high GD based on the Philly series and games 3-4 of the SCF… and otherwise managed to win two series they were outscored in.
Just very weird.
I understand that you don’t like the Bruins, but they haven’t yet been outscored in any of their series. Unless I’m mistaken, they were even against the Canadiens, +13 against the Flyers, even against the Lightning, and +8 so far against the Canucks.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 12, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I certainly would not called VAN fluked by CHI. In fact, I think CHI was extremely lucky to have made it past 6 games.
I think a lot has to do with the toughness of competition. By my eyes, in the 4 rounds, VAN had to face the 3 best teams in the entire playoffs. The only so-called weakling is a NSH which is a top defensive team that features arguably the best defensive pairing in the league, a Vezina candiate, and a mindset that is determined to play it tight for the sake of survival. VAN never had a breather against weak goaltending (i.e. like BOS vs PHI). In fact, they’ve had to face 2 of the 3 Vezina candidates, 2 of the 3 Norris candidates – that’s not a recipe for running up the score.
I think VAN probably had one of the toughest route to the Cup in recent memory. And if you compare the aggregate team GD faced by the recent cup winners since the lockout, that seems to support this observation:
2011 VAN 144
2010 CHI 110
2009 PIT 117
2008 DET 79 <— no wonder these guys are at the top…
2007 ANA 186
2006 CAR 56
by choppystride on Jun 12, 2011 4:31 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
To clarify, those GDs are the sum of the regular season GD of the 4 teams that the cup winner faced.
e.g. for CHI in 2009-2010:
round 1: NSH 0
round 2: VAN +50
round 3: SJS +49
round 4: PHI +11
Therefore, total for CHI is 110
by choppystride on Jun 12, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
This is really good idea choppystride, and I think you’re probably right that quality of competition is playing a huge factor here. Chicago was a very difficult opponent for a top seed in the first round, and that’ll have an impact for sure.
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by Scott Reynolds on Jun 13, 2011 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Sample Size Curiosity?
Anyone have the data over the last couple of seasons for how many stretches of 20 games where a team went -4 GD and still won 15 games? Are the playoffs so ‘unique’ that you can’t simply use regular season numbers to get a proper comparison?
Also, to what extent is everyone anomaly hunting in the data at this point? With better and better statistical tools and more data, do we actually have enough data historically to say much one way or the other in some of these cases? I think we can all take it for pretty much given that 90% of the MSM stat crap is anomaly hunting and small sample sizes, which all make for great (and weak) narrative. At the same time, while I’m pretty comfortable with possession statistics and chance counting, historical data mining does give me a fair bit of pause, in particular because it’s often used to change or remove context, or otherwise justify a narrative for the author.
My problem is that, as someone with a rooting interest, I constantly have to check my narratives at the door when reading posts like this, and it becomes increasingly difficult to harmonize disparate narratives that seem to conflict.
Anyone have the data over the last couple of seasons for how many stretches of 20 games where a team went -4 GD and still won 15 games?
That’s a really interesting question.
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That’s going to be tough because before the lockout you had ties, whereas this playoff run has OT until there is a winner.
You might have been able to stumble across one who had maybe 10 or 11 wins and a handful of ties but that will be my best guess.
Good teams generally don’t get blown out by 5+ goals 3 times in a season, never mind in a 20 game stretch.
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