Canucks vs. Bruins Scoring Chances - Game 1
by Derek Zona on Jun 1, 2011 10:30 PM MDT
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PrintJohnny Boychuk went from a bottom-line forward and AHL regular for the 29th-best team in the NHL to a top six defenseman on the Prince of Wales Trophy winners. There's a reason he was a bottom-line forward in Colorado - he's not a good defenseman. He was repeatedly exposed by Tampa and he was exposed in a significant way this evening in Vancouver. Bruins coach Claude Julien split Zdeno Chara and Dennis Seidenberg in an attempt to make sure one of them was available to play against the Sedins at all times. The problem with that, of course, is that it also meant Johnny Boychuk was going to play significant minutes against the Sedins. Bobby Orr himself would have trouble keeping his head above water with Boychuk riding on his back.
The Canucks brought their best dirty game tonight - not only was Henrik Sedin caught embellishing worse than any Italian soccer player, Alex Burrows bit Patrice Bergeron's finger in a scrum. There is no place for that in hockey, let alone the Stanley Cup Final. That's something I'd expect to see in a Central League final, not from the best team in the NHL. Brendan Shanahan should use this, his first opportunity to discipline a player, to set a standard and show the players that his behavior will not be tolerated. Burrows should receive at least a four-game suspension and I'd like to see a ten-game suspension. Burrows is a repeat offender when it comes to dirty play Shanahan should make him pay for it.
For those of you new to the concept: a scoring chance is defined as a clear play directed toward the opposing net from a dangerous scoring area - loosely defined as the top of the circle in and inside the faceoff dots, though sometimes slightly more generous than that depending on the amount of immediately-preceding puck movement or screens in front of the net. Blocked shots are generally not included but missed shots are. A player is awarded a scoring chance anytime he is on the ice and someone from either team has a chance to score. He is awarded a "chance for" if someone on his team has a chance to score and a "chance against" if the opposing team has a chance to score. Finally, a big thanks to Vic Ferrari for making the whole damn thing possible with his awesome scripts.
Scoring Chances - Boston at Vancouver, 6.1.2011
NHL Game Number 30411
Team Totals, Boston in Gold
| Period | Totals | EV | PP | 5v3 PP | SH | 5v3 SH | ||||||
| 1 | 5 | 7 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 3 | 4 | 7 | 4 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Totals | 11 | 16 | 7 | 13 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
- 4v4 chances do do not count as even strength time on ice. See here for an explanation.
Scoring Chances by Player - Boston
| # | Player | EV | PP | SH | ||||||
| 11 | Gregory Campbell | 3:56 | 0 | 0 | 0:08 | 0 | 1 | 3:34 | 0 | 0 |
| 12 | Tomas Kaberle | 10:09 | 3 | 2 | 4:03 | 2 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 17 | Milan Lucic | 12:43 | 3 | 5 | 3:27 | 2 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 18 | Nathan Horton | 13:45 | 3 | 3 | 4:15 | 1 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 19 | Tyler Seguin | 5:01 | 0 | 1 | 1:20 | 0 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 20 | Daniel Paille | 2:09 | 0 | 0 | 0:08 | 0 | 1 | 2:58 | 0 | 0 |
| 21 | Andrew Ference | 14:10 | 2 | 5 | 1:55 | 1 | 0 | 5:07 | 0 | 0 |
| 23 | Chris Kelly | 11:33 | 1 | 5 | 0:31 | 0 | 0 | 3:03 | 0 | 0 |
| 28 | Mark Recchi | 11:31 | 3 | 5 | 3:34 | 1 | 0 | 0:13 | 0 | 0 |
| 30 | Tim Thomas | 41:51 | 7 | 13 | 8:06 | 3 | 1 | 9:31 | 0 | 0 |
| 33 | Zdeno Chara | 17:20 | 2 | 6 | 4:32 | 2 | 1 | 6:17 | 0 | 0 |
| 37 | Patrice Bergeron | 12:46 | 2 | 4 | 1:48 | 0 | 0 | 3:22 | 0 | 0 |
| 44 | Dennis Seidenberg | 17:09 | 2 | 4 | 5:02 | 1 | 1 | 5:02 | 0 | 0 |
| 46 | David Krejci | 14:10 | 4 | 3 | 4:17 | 2 | 0 | 0:09 | 0 | 0 |
| 49 | Rich Peverley | 12:44 | 1 | 4 | 0:25 | 0 | 0 | 3:23 | 0 | 0 |
| 54 | Adam McQuaid | 9:46 | 3 | 2 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 55 | Johnny Boychuk | 16:17 | 2 | 7 | 1:38 | 1 | 0 | 2:36 | 0 | 0 |
| 63 | Brad Marchand | 15:35 | 3 | 6 | 0:08 | 0 | 0 | 0:46 | 0 | 0 |
| 73 | Michael Ryder | 10:42 | 1 | 3 | 3:25 | 2 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
Boston - Best and Worst
Top ES Forward: David Krejci +1
Bottom ES Forward: Chris Kelly -4
Top ES Defenseman: Adam McQuaid, Tomas Kaberle +1
Bottom ES Defenseman: Johnny Boychuk -5
Zdeno Chara spent 11 of his 17 even strength minutes matched against the Sedin line and did so with Johnny Boychuk. He held the Sedins scoreless but was outchanced by 4 against them. He deserves an enormous amount of credit though - holding the Sedins scoreless while paired with Johnny Boychuk is like the Wayne Gretzky winning the Brothers Scoring Title with Brent.
Scoring Chances by Player - Vancouver
| # | Player | EV | PP | SH | ||||||
| 1 | Roberto Luongo | 42:08 | 13 | 7 | 9:31 | 1 | 3 | 8:07 | 0 | 0 |
| 2 | Dan Hamhuis | 4:02 | 2 | 1 | 0:00 | 0 | 1 | 4:07 | 0 | 0 |
| 3 | Kevin Bieksa | 16:41 | 9 | 3 | 2:29 | 0 | 2 | 3:33 | 0 | 0 |
| 5 | Christian Ehrhoff | 19:36 | 5 | 1 | 5:48 | 1 | 0 | 1:02 | 0 | 0 |
| 6 | Sami Salo | 9:38 | 2 | 3 | 4:32 | 0 | 1 | 3:15 | 0 | 0 |
| 10 | Jeff Tambellini | 2:30 | 0 | 1 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 13 | Raffi Torres | 12:37 | 6 | 1 | 0:11 | 0 | 0 | 0:04 | 0 | 0 |
| 14 | Alexandre Burrows | 14:57 | 5 | 1 | 2:37 | 0 | 2 | 2:19 | 0 | 0 |
| 17 | Ryan Kesler | 12:21 | 4 | 5 | 7:02 | 1 | 2 | 5:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 20 | Chris Higgins | 11:56 | 2 | 4 | 2:03 | 0 | 0 | 1:50 | 0 | 0 |
| 21 | Mason Raymond | 12:39 | 4 | 4 | 2:14 | 0 | 1 | 1:50 | 0 | 0 |
| 22 | Daniel Sedin | 15:36 | 5 | 1 | 7:17 | 1 | 0 | 0:08 | 0 | 0 |
| 23 | Alexander Edler | 17:10 | 5 | 1 | 4:39 | 1 | 1 | 2:38 | 0 | 0 |
| 29 | Aaron Rome | 17:50 | 3 | 5 | 0:00 | 0 | 1 | 1:39 | 0 | 0 |
| 33 | Henrik Sedin | 14:50 | 4 | 0 | 7:17 | 1 | 0 | 0:15 | 0 | 0 |
| 36 | Jannik Hansen | 13:26 | 6 | 1 | 0:00 | 0 | 1 | 2:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 38 | Victor Oreskovich | 1:54 | 0 | 1 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
| 40 | Maxim Lapierre | 11:47 | 3 | 1 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 1:16 | 0 | 0 |
| 49 | Alexandre Bolduc | 1:39 | 0 | 1 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 | 0:00 | 0 | 0 |
Vancouver - Best and Worst
Top ES Forward: Jannik Hansen, Raffi Torres +5
Bottom ES Forward: Chris Higgins -2
Top ES Defenseman: Kevin Bieksa +6
Bottom ES Defenseman: Aaron Rome -2
The surprise here is the numbers posted by the Hansen, Torres, Lapierre line, but their big wins came against the Kelly line. Julien won't make that mistake again.
Head-to-Head Even Strength Scoring Chances
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Patrice Bergeron got the match against the Sedins, but it didn't matter - the Sedins did a number on him and linemates Marchand and Recchi. Kelly, Seguin and Ryder were beaten pretty badly by the LaPierre line and my guess is that Seguin will find his way back down to the fouth line and Rich Peverley will be on the third line in game two.
Scoring Chances by Period, Time and Game State
| Team | Period | Time | Note | BOS | VAN | State | ||||||||||
| VAN | 1 | 19:41 | Sedin | 28 | 30 | 33 | 37 | 44 | 63 | 1 | 6 | 14 | 22 | 23 | 33 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 1 | 19:08 | Kesler | 17 | 18 | 21 | 30 | 46 | 55 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 17 | 20 | 21 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 1 | 18:55 | Raymond | 17 | 18 | 21 | 30 | 46 | 55 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 17 | 20 | 21 | 5v5 |
| BOS | 1 | 17:00 | Horton | 17 | 18 | 30 | 33 | 44 | 46 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 17 | 20 | 21 | 5v5 |
| BOS | 1 | 13:20 | Horton | 12 | 17 | 30 | 33 | 46 | 73 | 1 | 3 | 14 | 17 | 29 | 5v4 | |
| BOS | 1 | 12:28 | Seidenberg | 12 | 18 | 30 | 33 | 44 | 46 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 14 | 17 | 5v4 | |
| BOS | 1 | 12:04 | Lucic | 17 | 21 | 28 | 30 | 55 | 73 | 1 | 6 | 21 | 23 | 36 | 5v4 | |
| VAN | 1 | 11:51 | Sedin | 17 | 21 | 28 | 30 | 55 | 73 | 1 | 6 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 36 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 1 | 10:46 | Sedin | 11 | 20 | 30 | 33 | 44 | 1 | 5 | 17 | 22 | 23 | 33 | 4v5 | |
| VAN | 1 | 9:32 | Raymond | 21 | 30 | 49 | 55 | 73 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 20 | 21 | 4v4 | ||
| VAN | 1 | 4:23 | Raymond | 23 | 30 | 33 | 44 | 49 | 63 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 13 | 14 | 21 | 5v5 |
| BOS | 1 | 1:40 | Marchand | 21 | 28 | 30 | 37 | 55 | 63 | 1 | 6 | 17 | 20 | 21 | 23 | 5v5 |
| BOS | 2 | 18:24 | Recchi | 17 | 28 | 30 | 33 | 44 | 46 | 1 | 2 | 17 | 23 | 5v3 | ||
| BOS | 2 | 12:51 | Marchand | 12 | 28 | 30 | 37 | 54 | 63 | 1 | 5 | 13 | 29 | 36 | 40 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 2 | 10:02 | Salo | 21 | 30 | 33 | 37 | 1 | 6 | 14 | 17 | 22 | 33 | 3v5 | ||
| VAN | 2 | 5:55 | Sedin | 28 | 30 | 33 | 37 | 44 | 63 | 1 | 3 | 14 | 22 | 23 | 33 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 3 | 19:22 | Burrows | 28 | 30 | 33 | 37 | 55 | 63 | 1 | 3 | 14 | 22 | 29 | 33 | 5v5 |
| BOS | 3 | 18:44 | Lucic | 17 | 18 | 21 | 30 | 46 | 55 | 1 | 3 | 17 | 20 | 21 | 29 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 3 | 17:49 | Lapierre | 12 | 19 | 23 | 30 | 54 | 73 | 1 | 5 | 13 | 23 | 36 | 40 | 5v5 |
| BOS | 3 | 15:57 | Ryder | 12 | 23 | 30 | 49 | 54 | 73 | 1 | 3 | 10 | 29 | 38 | 49 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 3 | 15:00 | Hansen | 12 | 23 | 30 | 49 | 54 | 63 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 13 | 36 | 40 | 5v5 |
| BOS | 3 | 13:24 | Krejci | 12 | 17 | 18 | 30 | 46 | 54 | 1 | 6 | 17 | 20 | 21 | 29 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 3 | 9:26 | Edler | 28 | 30 | 33 | 37 | 44 | 63 | 1 | 5 | 14 | 22 | 23 | 33 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 3 | 8:28 | Lapierre | 17 | 18 | 21 | 30 | 46 | 55 | 1 | 3 | 13 | 29 | 36 | 40 | 5v5 |
| BOS | 3 | 6:42 | Marchand | 28 | 30 | 33 | 44 | 46 | 63 | 1 | 6 | 14 | 17 | 22 | 29 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 3 | 5:36 | Edler | 21 | 23 | 30 | 49 | 55 | 73 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 13 | 17 | 36 | 5v5 |
| VAN | 3 | 0:19 | Goal - Torres | 17 | 23 | 30 | 33 | 49 | 55 | 1 | 3 | 13 | 17 | 29 | 36 | 5v5 |
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4 to 10 games for biting??
How many did Savard get for biting Carcillo?
I think he should get a punishment but 4 to 10 games is just ridiculous
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Savard should’ve received 4-10 games if his history included pulling hair and spearing someone in the testicles with a hockey stick.
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so tell me oh master
what you would do if some guy shoved his fingers into your mouth? Give them a good suck or a kiss?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
It happens multiple times per game in each season in the NHL and every other player figures out a way to deal with it.
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oh I see
fingers IN mouths?
Just to clarify before we go any further, you know the difference between fists hitting faces and fingers going in mouths, right?
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
If we’re going to play rhetorical questions, you know that gloved fingers can’t go in closed mouths, right?
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We're playing rhetorical questions
not stupid questions. Try again.
Everyone talks during scrums. Everyone punches each other and face washes each other in scrums. Everyone talks in scrums. I’ve never seen ANYONE intentionally stick their fingers into someone’s mouth before. So… back to square one.
What would YOU do if someone put their fingers in YOUR mouth during an NHL scrum, since you CLEARLY have LOADS of NHL experience to judge players with.
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notafullcolon CS: Well obviously I meant we were snorting blow off hookers at the time of the goal
What I do if someone stuck their fingers in my mouth? Probably move my head to get the fingers OUT of my mouth. If your first instinct would be to bite down and cause injury, you are probably best placed on a list somewhere, and not allowed near people.
For cripes sake, even kids know not to bite. Enjoy this song, on a show produced by Jack Black:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6UWNA-WQgI
Maybe share it with Burr. He’s going to need something to do during game 2.
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by BReynolds on Jun 1, 2011 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Intentionally? The video doesn’t agree with your description. I’m pretty sure only fans in British Columbia are going to blame Bergeron for that and call that “intentional”.
As for what I, and every other NHL player besides Burrows, would do when a finger was near my mouth — I would move my head to get them away from my mouth.
Burrows snaps his head back violently for no reason at all at least once a game – that should be second nature to him by now.
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Well, to be fair, Jarkko Ruutu would also clamp down like an injured crocodile.
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Ruutu should also serve a lengthy suspension, longer than 10 games, given his history.
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You must be a weak-kneed, "weak-on-crime" liberal, Derek.
Burrows should get half-a-season at least.
by east_van_joe on Jun 1, 2011 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions
While I understand you are being sarcastic, this is something I can get on board with. My suggestion would be to ship him to the ECHL, but that’s just me.
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There was no evidence Savard bit Carcillo. No video. Just Carcillo claiming it. There is direct evidence of a dirty player being malicious in this case.
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It woulda been much better if Burrows had bit Lee Fogolin. Then we would have seen justice meted out.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 2, 2011 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Would you put Kelly out against the fourth line? If Lapierre’s line is eating them up, I’m not seeing things getting better against anyone else. Can Campbell play against Lapierre?
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I think Boston’s only chance is with a Kelly – Peverley – Ryder line. Julien recognized it pretty early, but left Kelly at C which I thought odd at the time.
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Kelly was out to lunch on the winner. So was Boychuk.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 2, 2011 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions
No mention of any of Tim Thomas'
multiple dives? No mention of Seidenberg’s 8 cross checks to the back of Daniel Sedin? The Canucks aren’t more or less dirty than anyone else. And you prove with articles like this that you don’t care about what actually happens on the ice all you care about is finding ways to take shots at the Canucks.
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by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2011 12:45 AM MDT reply actions
Eh, it's Derek, what do you expect?
Just give it a shrug Section, everyone has their stable of hobby horses, and we just have to put up with a bit of crap, guff and envy to get the good stuff (aka. Scoring chance counting). It’s not like sorting through the piles of stupid narratives in the MSM is any better, and at least here it’s an honest, if biased perspective.
Thanks Derek (and Scott) for the great work you have been doing on the chances. For someone without access to a TV signal this stuff is gold.
by rsm on Jun 2, 2011 3:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I would class biting as a more deplorable and suspendable act than diving and cross-checking… Let’s be totally honest here: this is an Oiler’s based blog, the Canucks are our rivals so we are going to be biased against them, and you are a Canucks fan, so you are going to defend your players to the nines and deny a lot of their wrong-doings, just as a lot of fans for any teams would do. However, the sorry fact is that I personally haven’t yet seen any Canucks fan acknowledge than Burrows is a dirty player; everyone else in the entire league can see it, yet there seems to be a perpetual state of denial in BC about it. As rsm says, this scoring chance work is great by the C&B writers, but to mention every single mis-deed carried out by players would be dull and uninspiring to read. The article is not actually biased really considering the recognition of just how good the Sedins are and how bad Boychuk is.
Of course Burrows is a dirty player
he pulls hair and fish hooks people. And bites people. I don’t know many Canuck fans who don’t admit he is dirty. He is a pest and dirty and he is our pest and we love him. Almost every team in the league has a player that is dirty. And Burrows takes way more shit than most dirty players with the exception maybe of Matt Cooke and/or Sean Avery. And Burrows definitely takes more shit from Oilers fans than any other dirty player. At least from what I have read on this site and others maybe I am wrong on that point. It was a penalty, which he got, and maybe a one game suspension. And the author of this article suggested 10 games.
And I just feel that if you are going to continually harp on dirty plays by Canucks players without even an attempt to provide some balance and context by bringing up the other teams dirty play then you are going to open yourself up to some deserved criticism.
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by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
You must never have come across me ranting about Cooke or Avery then. I’m relatively gentle on Burrows.
That said, I of course have hated Cooke since his Vancouver days. :)
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 2, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
You must never have come across me ranting about Cooke or Avery then. I’m relatively gentle on Burrows.
Me on Avery
Me on Cooke
Me on Burrows
See? Relatively gentle.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 2, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I hated Cooke
in Vancouver. Evander Kane is basically my favourite ever player simply for knocking Cooke out.
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
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by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2011 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Good on you. Cooke has been a compleat prick since he entered the league. He doesn’t just hit to hurt, he hits to injure. Malicious bastard.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 2, 2011 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions
And you prove with articles like this that you don’t care about what actually happens on the ice all you care about is finding ways to take shots at the Canucks.
You got me. I watched the game twice, noting with meticulous detail each scoring chance all in an effort to take a shot at the Canucks. Pay no attention to the grown man on the ice biting another grown man.
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Both the Ref and the Linesman
told Bergeron basically to stfu because he shoved his finger so far in his mouth what else was he supposed to do. There is also zero proof that I have seen that Burrows bit down with any force. I haven’t seen a picture that shows Bergeron bleeding. I haven’t seen anything that makes me think this should be anything more than a one game suspension let alone the ludicrous 10 games that you suggested. I get hating another team. I really do. But letting it cloud your judgment that badly? I don’t get that.
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
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by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Do you have any idea how hard you have to bite down on a guy through a hockey glove to get him to bleed?
And really, who cares how hard he bit him… the fact that he fucking bit him is stupid enough. And it’s not like Bergeron intentionally stuck his glove in his mouth, he was doing the exact same thing Burrows was doing… sticking his glove in his face.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
I think he absolutely knew what he was doing
He knew it was Burrows and he knew he was shoving his finger in his mouth. Give credit to Bergeron he got his team a PP and was lobbying pretty hard for a suspension too. He definitely knew what he was doing. Burrows is an idiot for actually biting him but Bergeron knew what he was up to. At most a one game suspension. Never close to 10 games. Never.
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"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
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by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I haven’t seen anything that makes me think this should be anything more than a one game suspension let alone the ludicrous 10 games that you suggested.
Other than the fact that biting another person is despicable and has no place in hockey? Crap like this doesn’t belong in the game. If you really want to change the culture and bring respect back to the game the NHL has to send the message loud and clear that this type of behaviour is unacceptable, one game doesn’t do that.
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I agree it doesn't belong in the game
but on the list of things that happen in the NHL that don’t belong biting a guys glove and not doing any damage is not in my top 5. You can damn near kill someone hitting them from behind and not get 10 games. But biting on a guys glove after he put his finger in your mouth is worth 10? I just don’t see it.
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
Nucks Misconduct's Prodigal Son, Chief Curmudgeon, and Chief Hunk.
by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
The recent suspensions are almost always on the low side, hopefully Shanahan will wipe the slate clean and start fresh with suspensions that serve a purpose.
That said I’m amazed that you keep coming back to he bit him on the glove as if that’s somehow different that if he’d bit a bare finger. The intent was to injure, nothing else. The normal reaction would be to get that out of your mouth not bite down. The intent is the only thing that should be debated here and the intent is crystal clear.
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by ryanbatty on Jun 2, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you talking about the time Thomas went down when Burrows slewfooted him? I crascked up hearing that douchebag Glenn Healy saying “He’s outside the blue paint, he’s fair game.” So “fair game” now includes slewfooting?
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 2, 2011 7:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Glenn Healy was almost enough to make me watch the NBC feed. He’s flat out terrible.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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I can only think of two
reasons someone would actually think that was a slew foot. And it being a slew foot isn’t one of them.
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"Are you out of your fucking mind? You think I'm just going to rape you on the off chance that hopefully you're into that shit?" - Louis CK
Nucks Misconduct's Prodigal Son, Chief Curmudgeon, and Chief Hunk.
by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Is the other reason that they were watching the game through glasses with blue and green lenses?
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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Well you can think that if you want
the people at NM would tell you I am one of the least biased Canuck fans on that site. If you saw my twitter account last night you would have seen me calling out Henrik Sedin for being a diver. Burrows was pushed and his leg grazed Thomas who went down like he was shot in an attempt to get a penalty. And even though he was at least 5 feet out of the crease he bought the call from the far official. At no time was there a slew foot though.
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by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Burrows took Thomas’s leg out from behind, with his foot. That’s a slewfoot. In Burrows’ defence there was not a kicking motion, but he didn’t exactly try to avoid contact, and he got nailed for it.
If you’re gonna complain about reputation penalties, you have to consider what the guy did to gain that reputation in the first place.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 2, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t get it, if Burrows was hit and off-balance, how was he meant to avoid contact?
Calling this a slew-foot is stretching it. If Thomas had wanted to stay on his feet, he would have. That’s diving, and he got the call. Thomas was no doubt aware of Burrows’ reputation, and judged he could use that in his favour. That’s gamesmanship, and it worked to a certain extent. I think it’s a more disgusting dive than Henrik’s because it’s in the middle of play, rather than Henrik’s which came after play was blown dead and in response to a dirty cross-check.
I think the reason that Canucks fans respond to this otherwise impressive site, maybe the best hockey blog out there, is why when the Canucks do it, it’s “dirty” “douchey” etc, whereas when the Canucks’ opponents do it, it’s somehow the Canucks’ fault too.
I agree. I think this was more “hey, look, I’m going towards the goalie, maybe if I bump into him a little…” like what happens all the time with players pushed towards the goalie and doing nothing to avoid him.
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by red army line on Jun 2, 2011 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions
A slew foot would be intentional. That wasn't intentional imo
If you’re gonna complain about reputation penalties, you have to consider what the guy did to gain that reputation in the first place.
I couldn’t disagree more. A penalty is a penalty. Reputation should not enter into the equation.
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by Section 312 on Jun 2, 2011 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I didn’t say that it should. But it does.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 2, 2011 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Then it’s just tripping, much like the non intentional ones that happen all the time during games.
Doesn’t change the fact that it’s a penalty though.
And of course reputation matters, we’re talking about human beings here. We all see what we see in part because of how we think. That’s why some people see a dirty slew foot while others see accidental contact.
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At no point did I say it was a “dirty slewfoot”. That’s the kind that has the kicking motion, where the perpetrator kicks the victim’s skate from behind. The non-dirty version has the perpetrator take out the victim’s skate from behind by carrying on his momentum and not avoiding him. That’s more what happened here. It was “just” a penalty, and I didn’t mind the call.
Of course I’m an ex-goalie, Tim Thomas is one of my favourite players, and Alexandre Burrows is, uh, not. So my view of the play might differ from the one seen through green and blue lenses.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 3, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
So ive been reading on here for a quite a while now, and everytime the Canucks come up, everyone bashes on them, or more so thier fans I suppose. I have a couple buddys who are Nucks fans and ive been trying to figure out why I am supposed to hate them and thier team. Never could figure it out, ive always been a purebred Flames basher, never a problem with the Canucks. But then I start to read some comments left here by Nucks fans and writers and I start to see why everyone hates them so much. Cant we just ban them or something?
Yea i realize this had nothing to do with the game or the article. Just throwin it out there lol.
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Rome got paired with Bieksa for most of the game after Hamhuis went down. His offense still sucks, however
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Actually, Chara didn’t play a lot with Boychuk at all, just 2.6 minutes according to the H2H sheet. He spent most of the night with Seidenberg indeed (13.2 minutes). From your H2H chances chart it looks like Chara-Seidenberg were -3 against Henrik and Chara-Boychuk were -1 against Henrik.
Boychuk played with Ferrence mostly (over 10 minutes) and both came out with the worst Corsi of the night (-13). They played about 8 minutes against Kesler and roughly three each against Sedin and Lapierre. Boychuk was on for just two defensive zone faceoffs (four offensive zone draws).
So, of course, all this doesn’t make Boychuk’s night look better. He didn’t play against toughest competition and certainly not in toughest situations (Chara btw was on for 11 of 15 defensive zone draws), but probably was their worst player indeed.
And all this doesn’t look good at all for the Bruins of course. The sheltered pair of Kaberle-McQuaid didn’t really make a big difference, Chara-Seidenberg were beaten by the Sedins and Boychuk was beaten by almost everyone…
You are 100% correct. In my rush to publish I didn’t mention that Julien abandoned both the Boychuk tactic and the Seguin tactic very early on.
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Boychuck and Chara were on for 2 scoring chance events last night… one 40 seconds into the 3rd period and one with 19 seconds left.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree on this one.
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by dawgbone98 on Jun 2, 2011 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think you are giving the Bruins forwards enough credit for the awful performance last night.
Horton alone turned the puck over at the Canucks line 4 times in the 3rd period. I’ve never seen a team (and I’ve watched a lot of Oiler games the last 2 years), demonstrate such incompetence trying to gain the zone.
Dump ins were being blocked, cross ice passes on the blueline were being intercepted, one on one moves at the line were being stopped. That whole third period saw the Canucks getting the puck at their blueline and going on a counter attack.
The Bruins D has holes, but when you can’t get the puck into the other teams zone it’s going to be very hard for you defencemen to compensate for that. They are going to get exposed if they keep having to play in their own end.
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I thought the Bruins forwards were just awful last night. It seemed like they turned the puck over in the neutral zone more often than they entered the Canucks zone. They have to do a better job of entering the zone or this series is going to be over in a hurry. Chara, Seidenberg, and Thomas can only do so much without a little help.
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Lucic also was absolutely brutal managing the puck. I was cursing him on several different occasions.
Hard to make line changes when the forwards keep turning the puck over in the neutral zone.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 2, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought the Bruins forwards were just awful last night. It seemed like they turned the puck over in the neutral zone more often than they entered the Canucks zone
I saw that so often in the Tampa-Boston series, and was getting a little giddy about it, to be honest
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by Semi_Colon on Jun 2, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t think Shanahan is the one making the decisions on supplemental discipline until next year. He might have input, but it’s Mike Murphy’s call.
Well, shit. I just made a post at CoH putting the ball in Shanny’s court, on the understanding that Campbell had recused himself effective immediately.
Oh well, I’m sure the readers there will (also) set me straight.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 2, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
have a look at the supposed henrik dive again
he’s slashed on the foot by kelly for pete’s sake
he’s not falling because of the push (or at least, not just the push — a slash on the foot will wreck your balance and make it far more likely you’ll have a massive tumble from a shove).
or did that slash not happen in zona land?
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Sorry no, that is a dive. If it’s the slash he’d have gotten in the face of the guy who slashed him when he recovered from that brutal, potentially life threatening, blow.
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by ryanbatty on Jun 2, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
What are the Sedins supposed to do when the Bruins take every opportunity to “cleanly” hit, slash, and cross-check them after every whistle? (Supposedly, that’s how you get the Sedins off their game, because they are Swedish wimps/sissies after all, who don’t deserve to be in SCF.) Just grin and bear it? Take the gloves off?
That Europeans are soft crap is exactly that, crap. And I have no problem with them sticking up for themselves. But that has nothing to do with my comment or that play. Look at the play, Sedin goes down like he got picked off by a sniper in the rafters. It’s a dive plain and simple.
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I agree he dove. That isn’t my point. This was a dive when once-again an opposing player took the end of play as an opportunity to give an extra whack to a Sedin. Notice, this wasn’t a dive when play was on, and where Ference was just doing his job to prevent Henrik from advancing on goal. Not at all. This was after play was blown dead. Henrik Sedin always just skates away when given the opportunity. Instead Ference—like most of the Bruins, and many other teams, we’ve seen it a lot—gives him a shove. Henrik does nothing, and then Ference once again cross checks Henrik Sedin. This isn’t a hockey play, this is just supposedly “playing the body” which is also known as “slowly injuring your opponent.” So, if Ference is going to play dirty, what do you expect from Henrik Sedin? Should he grin and bear it? Should he take the gloves off, and “stick up for himself” as you put it? Why should Henrik Sedin spend 2-5 minutes in the box with a lesser light like Andrew Ference?
Again, I know the Sedins (like many other NHL players) have tried to draw calls when legitimate plays have been made against them during action. This isn’t one of those occasions, and I wouldn’t defend such diving (it’s gotten ridiculous throughout the league). But here, play has been blown dead, and Ference and the other Bruins have clearly been instructed to hit the Sedins as much as possible and are doing so after the play. In that case, I’m glad Henrik is diving. Because there is nothing honourable about what Ference did.
This isn’t a hockey play, this is just supposedly "playing the body" which is also known as "slowly injuring your opponent.
You can’t be serious. Watch any game at any time of the year and you’ll see a shove like that after most whistles. If the Bruins team plan is to wear down the Sedin’s with plays like that then they’re idiots.
And I’m sorry I will never accept diving as justification for anything. Diving is quickly getting out of control in this league and there is no reason for it. Whether it’s during play or after a whistle doesn’t matter either, a dive is a dive just like a high stick is a high stick.
The referee is right there, I’m sure he saw the shove and if he thought it was penalty worthy would have called the penalty. Rather than shake it off, getting in his face, and letting him know that crap isn’t going to rattle him, Sedin drops like a rag doll. There is a lot he can do in that situation to standup for himself that doesn’t involve getting in a fight or embarrassing himself like that.
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Diving is quickly getting out of control in this league and there is no reason for it.
You only think that because you see Vancouver so often. The Bruins / Lightning series was dive free except for one game where Marchand thought he was Burrows.
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Rather than shake it off, getting in his face, and letting him know that crap isn’t going to rattle him, Sedin drops like a rag doll.
I guess we’ll agree to disagree on this one. I guess I’d find it easier to give credence to your moralizing position if, rather than saying, “this happens all the time,” and suggesting that the Sedins aren’t manly enough, or playing by the code enough, you’d actually say, “Ference is being a jerk in smacking a star player well after the whistle.” I agree completely that diving is getting ridiculous, and embarrassing (even Bieksa called out his own teammates at one point). But I don’t begrudge the Sedins on this after the whistle stuff. Henrik is carrying an injury, the Bruins know this, and they want to try and hurt him in a subtle way (i.e., not the Ben Eager way). The first Ference shot was the kind you see all season long. Henrik didn’t react, like you suggested. The second one was simply unnecessary and nasty. And if the refs don’t call it, at least Ference is going to have to worry that next time the dive will be more effective (like Thomas’ dive, which I hope you don’t defend).
Dude, everyone said that was a dive.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 2, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
These are amazing charts, and you should be commended for upping the level of fan commentary with them!
It’s great because it shows so clearly how Bergeron’s line was absolutely eaten alive by the Sedin line. I wonder if that’s why they started scrums against them for no reason (ostensibly because the Sedins were close to the goalie, who wasn’t even touched). You know, because they are clean, honest, hardworking and gentlemanly, and therefore are trying to injure the Sedins within the code of hockey.
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