The Greatest Hair in the League Returns for 2 More Years
by Lisa McRitchie on May 29, 2011 6:20 PM MDT
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The man with the flow, Ryan Jones has signed on for another two years with the Edmonton Oilers. The Oilers have not released contract dollars, but word in twitterland and now TSN confirms is $3 million over the two years. This is another deal that may polarize fans. I feel this is a good signing, Jones had 18 goals and 7 assists last season, in his personal best year. It's not too long, and this is for a player that is good for Edmonton on and off of the ice. Jones jokingly tweeted that people should run out and get their #28 jerseys before they run out. I'm sure it was a surprise to Jones when the Sports Closet in Sherwood park said they will give any Jones followers 20% off a Jones jersey.
Jones is not the next Wayne Gretzky, he is not going to single handedly push the Oilers into the playoffs, but he will entertain fans and he will play a physical game. The first Oilers fight of the 2010 season was fought by Jones.
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I actually got a response from him.
I said that I was waiting for Teddy to sign to get my Oiler Jersey but then said Screw it, I’ll get 2 and then asked he if he preferred home or away. He responded with retro !!! I better get some OT at work soon. I will be committed to 2 Oiler jerseys once “Teddy” (or 49cent as Taylor Hall refers to him as LOL) gets signed.
I’d buy a Peckman jersey too. Jones is great with fans, he’s answered me too when I asked what kind of yoga he is doing.
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by Lisa McRitchie on May 29, 2011 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I always go for the unheralded and physical players for my jerseys. It started with Peter Klima, Mike Grier was next and Jason Smith is where I Stand now. I just don’t wanna be one of the thousands that wear a Hall jersey(nothing against him at all). The other guys need some love too :)
Did I miss something?
How the hell did Petr Klima end up on the same list as Mike Grier and Jason Smith?
This is shockingly reasonable, consider we were all fearing something much higher.
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I didn’t understand why so many people were so worked up that it would be a lot higher, and am glad that the deal is done.
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by Lisa McRitchie on May 30, 2011 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Sure, the Oiler’s management has no recent record of giving players too many years or too much cash. I have no idea why people don’t relax and trust Tambellini. After all, he netted us our MVP… ;)
HAHA! Fair enough, but does worrying do anything but give you ulcers and make your hair fall out? It’s nearly summer, have an iced adult beverage and hope for the best. That’s all we can do.
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by Lisa McRitchie on May 30, 2011 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I didn’t understand why so many people were so worked up that it would be a lot higher
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
Yes, I think that it was an overpayment after one good year and Tambellini didn’t sign that one. I wasn’t about to run around saying the sky is falling without seeing any numbers this time around.
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by Lisa McRitchie on May 30, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=21
http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=265
http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=28
You have to be pollyanna or have complete amnesia to think the Oilers weren’t going to overpay him. And while it’s not a terrible overpayment, they’re still giving him 300-500k too much.
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I say 250k too much, and that’s just a maybe; the guy would have been a UFA, so it’s debatable. Jones is a walking talking billboard for Edmonton and the Oilers, the team needs that. Say that’s where he’s earning the extra money if you need to.
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by Lisa McRitchie on May 30, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
After missing the boat on Glencross I figured they’re make up for that mistake by overpaying here. Two wrongs make a right is the motto of Edmonton management.
I can live with $1.5M. I can’t see him matching his numbers from this season so it will be an overpayment but the term shouldn’t be enough to cause them actual pain.
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I can live with $1.5M. I can’t see him matching his numbers from this season so it will be an overpayment but the term shouldn’t be enough to cause them actual pain.
There is still concern that they can’t make moves, especially value moves, to save their lives
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That’s a constant concern
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How the hell did that happen?
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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they say even a blind squirrel will find a nut eventually
by TakeoutArtist on May 30, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s a small market, with bad weather, and the perception that there is a lack of culture (re: things to do) in the City.
It involves a massive amount of travel compared to almost any other team.
The team placed 30th 2 years in a row.
We just signed a player that:
Scores goals
Works hard
Is young enough to improve defensively
contract runs out before we need to resign the quality rookies we started developing
and most importantly:
seems to genuinely want to play here.
I get it, he’s a liability, makes people around him worse. We should have replaced him via free agency, but only if you actually believe we can sign players via free agency.
Of course we overpaid, we have to overpay. Most players would want less money to both play in and live in Vancouver than Edmonton. It’s not the recreation of the Khabibulin contract, so lets all move on with our lives.
Of course we overpaid, we have to overpay.
For higher end players I can see where you’re coming from but for a glorified fourth liner with a lot of holes in his game and one good season to his credit that he almost certainly won’t be able to repeat?
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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yes.
Unless we replace him with a rookie we have locked in, then yes.
by Ca$h-Money! on May 30, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
If the only choices are fill all needs through the draft or overpay then I think we’re screwed.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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I realize you are an Oilers fan, I am too, but think about the following scenario:
A player is offered:
1) 1.5 million/year to play for Edmonton, or
2) 1.5 million/year to play in Florida (great location, awful team)
3) 1.5 million/year to play in Detroit (awful location, great team)
4) 1.1 million/year to play in Vancouver (good location, great team)
What are the odds that they pick Edmonton? It is the worst location AND the worst team. The only way we get a “value” contract is if no one else is at all interested, and we won’t know that until september, which means we might end up with nothing.
by Ca$h-Money! on May 30, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Really you’d take three-quarters of the salary to play in specific city for somewhere between 6 and 8 months of the year? I think you might be in the minority there.
Players aren’t lining up to sign in Edmonton now because this team is terrible. Build a good team and it gets infinitely easier to recruit players – see Detroit. The problem is you don’t get better by overpaying guys on you 4th line.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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It’s not the recreation of the Khabibulin contract,
Name the value contracts the Oilers have signed since the lockout.
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I can’t, which means:
1) I can’t think of any and someone will prove me wrong, OR
2) The oilers management have no idea what good value is, OR
3) No one wants to play here without being paid a premium for it
by Ca$h-Money! on May 30, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I’ll take what’s behind door number 2.
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you’re fooling yourself if you think that’s all there is too it.
by Ca$h-Money! on May 30, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
And I think you’re giving management t a pass for not finding values by falling back on the nobody wants to play here line. Use that to explain Glencross, Brodziak, or Reasoner. The Oilers wouldn’t know value if it bit them on the ass.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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I’m not giving them a pass, I’m saying it’s complicated. You’ve got to think about it in sunk-cost terms: given that you can’t go back in time and sign reasoner, brodziak, and glencross, you have to deal with the situation we find ourselves in today.
Does this mean I’m happy that we are in this position, or that I don’t think it’s tambellini’s fault? Of course not, it’s clearly his fault. That, however, doesn’t change the fact that we can’t get other free agents to come here and fill Jones’ position.
That, however, doesn’t change the fact that we can’t get other free agents to come here and fill Jones’ position.
Do we really know that though? We know we’ve gone after big fish and gotten turned down, understandably so, but has management been going after these players only to be turned down year after year? I’m not so sure.
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It’s simple logic, I posted about it above. While you might have been right in your reply that lots of players probably wouldn’t take a 25% pay cut to play in Vancouver, some would (guys who have been in the NHL a while, made some money, and now want to win a cup).
Other than that, players would like to play in a better location (until Winnepeg gets here we are, without question, the worst location for anyone who isn’t born and raised in Alberta, and even for lots of them) or for a better team (again, all teams are better).
So to recap: EVERY market is more desirable in terms of quality of life (weather, travel time, culture) and EVERY market is more desirable in terms of being on a good team. If that doesn’t make it hard to sign value contracts, I don’t know what does.
The only way we do sign value contracts is to do it last minute, like what the Flames did with Morrison this year. Problem with that is that you have no idea who will be available in late September.
You may be right that our markets makes overpaying a requirement – I highly doubt that though – but it doesn’t really matter because the Oilers don’t seem to understand value. I see no evidence that they’ve been banging down door only to be turned away. They haven’t even gone looking.
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Were you upset that Glencross wasn’t signed?
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by Lisa McRitchie on May 30, 2011 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I wasn’t thrilled with it
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So you would have rather Jones walk over $100k? That would have been Ryan Smyth all over again.
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by Lisa McRitchie on May 30, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Circa 30 comments ago I said I could live with $1.5M. It is an overpayment and I’m fine with that.
I don’t believe that the Oilers have to overpay in all situations and I don’t think they’re very good at identifying or acquiring value contracts based on the recent history. That was true before Jones got here.
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I guess I’m still shocked that you call this an over payment. You can’t pay all 3rd and 4th liners $500k and call it a day.
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by Lisa McRitchie on May 30, 2011 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m fine with paying players what they’re worth but this is probably an overpayment in the neighborhood of 25%. And it bumps up the bar for the other 3rd and 4th liners on the team. It’s not a great contract but it’s not the end of the world either.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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No, but you can pay them 750 – 900 and call it a day. Jones gives up significantly more than he creates. This is an overpayment by about about one-third.
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
So you would have rather Jones walk over $100k? That would have been Ryan Smyth all over again.
That’s one of the most ludicrous comparisons I’ve ever heard.
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It would have been JUST like the Ryan Smyth ordeal, except that as a percentage of total salary it would be nothing like the Ryan Smyth ordeal and that as far as the player’s importance to the team is it would be nothing like the Ryan Smyth ordeal.
So yeah, other than those two factors? EXACT same thing.
I don't like jail, they got the wrong kind of bars in there
C’mon Ryan. No fan can say with any degree of certainty that “They haven’t even gone looking”. You’d have to be a mole inside the organization to get away with that one. And you wouldn’t be with said organization the minute you made it public.
Of course I don’t know for sure but looking at the acquisitions made in the Tambellini era I’d lean towards not even trying before I’d buy 100% unsuccessful.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
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The most improtant thing
So what if we slightly over paid. The Contract is only 2 years and will not interfere in our ability to re-sign the kids in 2 more years. Coincidence? I think not
And seriously...
Seems like an awful amount of energy devoted to what ‘may’ be an overpay of a few hundred thousand. Must be a slow news week.
As a hockey player, I don’t think Jones is any good. He’s not a better player than, say, Ryan Stone, and I can pretty well guarantee that guy’s available for the minimum. In that sense, this deal is an overpayment of $1M for the next two years. Jones seems to be a popular guy with both fans and teammates, but I don’t think that’s worth $1M and a roster spot for each of the next two years.
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I don’t think Jones is any good. He’s not a better player than, say, Ryan Stone
Hmmm….
Ryan Jones, 26 years old, 176 NHL GP, 33 goals
vs.
Ryan Stone, 26 years old, 35 NHL GP, 0 goals
2010-11 stats:
Jones 81 GP, 18 G
Stone 0 GP, 0 G
Stone did, however, muster all of 11 goals with Abbotsford Heat this year, while posting a worse plus/minus there then Jones did in a full season with the DFL Oilers.
So yeah, Stone is clearly at least as good.
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