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Number That May Interest Only Me: 1,788

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It's been 1,788 days since the Edmonton Oilers appeared in a playoff game.  By the time the 2012 playoffs begin, that number will stretch to 2,125 days, give or take a day.  It will be the longest streak in franchise history by about 470 days.

Steve Tambellini is ardent, well as ardent as Tambellini can be, that the Oilers are going to stay the course and execute Kevin Lowe's six year plan to compete.  That plan does not lend itself to a playoff appearance in 2011-12.  Ben laid out the reasons why the Oilers just need to make the playoffs and worry about winning the Stanley Cup when they get there and Ryan Whitney and Shawn Horcoff are subtly begging management for more veterans to give the kids and the Oilers a fighting chance to win.  

So what happens if Tambellini doesn't add the free agent center and defenseman the Oilers so desperately need?  What happens if the Oilers don't make the playoffs in 2012?  Will Edmonton's management team be able to keep the fans at bay with more lottery picks, even if the gap between playoff appearances stretches to a minimum of 2,490 days?

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A number that had better start interesting people: 2,490

I realize I’m repeating a point, but it isn’t realistic to expect a playoff appearance next year. Chicago barely made the playoffs this year, so to say this team next year will be as good as Chicago was this year is pretty crazy.

1) They have to get 50% better to come in 10th place (93 points), let alone 8th.
2) We have lots of young talent who should be better next season. So does Colorado. So does St. Louis. So do the guys at the bottom of the western playoff pool (LA, Chicago, Nashville). Of those 5th-8th teams, the only one I expect to be worse next year is Phoenix.
3) We will se Khabibulin in net for at least 30 games.
4) We have a lot of young talent, but a lot of it is of the same type. Guys like Cogliano, Gagner, Omark, and Brule all probably deserve to play in the NHL, but they shouldn’t all play on the same team, especially when Hemsky/Hall/Eberle are pretty small in their own right.
5)We only have 1 top pairing defender, and he probably will only play 50 games.
6) It doesn’t matter who we draft this year; they will be good, but they won’t have much impact next season (if any impact).

So I get it, it’s been a long time. I get it, we’ve been rebuilding for a long time. The question you should be asking is:

SO WHAT?

Does it really matter? Will complaining about it fix anything? We’ve got the plans in place to be good eventually, it’s really too bad that the first four years of the rebuild were a giant waste of time. Get used to thinking about next year as year 2 (or 3) of the rebuild instead of year 5 (or 6), because it is what it is.

by Ca$h-Money! on May 12, 2011 11:08 AM MDT reply actions  

But that isn’t what it is.

This team wasn’t rebuilding, management was just failing. Now that same management is going to magically gain the ability to succeed where it failed horribly the last time?

Why should people sit quietly and accept this?

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on May 12, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

If they weren’t fired when they were in the “failing horribly” period they won’t be fired now for the mistakes of 3 years ago. Ownership has bought into the rebuild, and it is going forward fairly nicely considering the talent we have coming in. If changes were going to happen they would have already.

by Ca$h-Money! on May 12, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s not going forward at all, it’s staying in the same place.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on May 12, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

We won’t know until next season if the rebuild is working or not. If this team doesn’t starting making some real progress next season, Houston, we have a problem. But if they hit 80 points or more next season, then I would agree with Ca$h-Money! that it is going forward nicely.

The big tell for me is what Tambi does this summer. If he is smart about bringing in some quality 3rd and 4th line players and a gritty d-man, then he gets it. And if he does nothing, then he is not doing his job and should be fired. Ray Shero said the most important thing he did when he came to Pittsburg was bring in those gritty, hard working players that competed every night to make the team competitive and show the kids how hard they have to work if they want to win in the NHL. The Oilers need those players. Now if the time to get them before the kids become acustomed to losing. Wrote about it in my blog entry on this site called “Time to Stop the Bleeding”. Check it out.

by gcw_rocks on May 13, 2011 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

SO WHAT?

Does it really matter?

By the time they are ready to compete on their timeline, Hall, Omark, Paajarvi, Petry, and Eberle will all need new contracts. Their ELCs will have been wasted.

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by Derek Zona on May 12, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

By the time they are ready to compete on their timeline, Hall, Omark, Paajarvi, Petry, and Eberle will all need new contracts. Their ELCs will have been wasted.

but if the team sucks, they’ll get a discount on these contracts.

by Triumph44 on May 12, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seems like the best strategy is to lose forever.

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by Derek Zona on May 12, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s the model we’re following right now

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by ryanbatty on May 12, 2011 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

no, that’s not what i meant. first, you’re not taking into account that some players are going to be on ELCs on a potentially playoff oiler team (the 1st overall pick this year, for instance, and if the oilers finish terrible next season, next year’s top 10 pick). second, nothing drives up contracts like winning.

i agree that if oiler management had planned things better, they could probably have a much better team next year and especially the year after.

by Triumph44 on May 12, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you know what else drives up salaries?

Goals and Points.

If Hall, Eberle and Co are hitting 30+ goals and 70+ points it’s going to drive their next contract price up.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on May 12, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

right, but it’s tough to do that and lose. the oilers very well may do that, but i think there’s far too much hand-wringing about window-missing around here.

by Triumph44 on May 12, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay so Hall and Eberle don’t record a a bunch of 70 point seasons playing on terrible teams and that keeps their contracts cheaper. Why would they stay here for a minute past year seven? Also how do we ever improve? You can’t keep drafting and then one year just snap your fingers and go from chumps to champs.

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by ryanbatty on May 12, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Hope is scoring 50+ points in the same season. i am pretty confident that oilers will make the playoffs

Success is not a goal..its a byproduct

by SumOil on May 12, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

it keeps their 2nd contract cheaper. the oilers would then spend aggressively and get better during these players’ second contracts.

it’s hard to imagine a scenario where the oilers are forced to pay a ton on these players’ 2nd deals and they’re not at least contending for the playoffs.

by Triumph44 on May 12, 2011 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are absolutely right. Those contracts are all wasted. ELCs were why Chicago could carry Hossa and Campbell and still ice a deep team for there Cup run.

Sadly, that ship as sailed. Does that then, mean the smart move for the Oilers is NOT to put Larsson or RNH on the roster this season, so they defer thier ELC? Probably, otherwise they are compounding thier mistake. And since this years draft class at the top all have some flaws, if you ever wanted to send a 1st overall pick down, this would be the year to do it. Let’s see if the Oilers are that smart….

Still, if we can’t sign overpriced free agents anyway, it may not matter as much!

by gcw_rocks on May 13, 2011 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Being an outsider looking in, it looks like your rebuild is pretty close to complete. Especially if you add Larsson to the mix. Then you have to wait for your youngsters to get better and then shift out of the rebuild by going after a few key vets to plug the holes. Being an Avs fan, I have to admit that I’m a little jealous of where you guys are at with the rebuild. We probably still have a ways to go. I’m willing to bet that next year, you won’t be at the bottom, and the year after that, you might just make the playoffs. If your team can keep your core together, look out. Then I have to start hating the Oilers, cause you’ll be spoiling our chances. Until then though, I think it’s fun to see how your team is coming together.

by mcarson01 on May 13, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Will Edmonton’s management team be able to keep the fans at bay with more lottery picks, even if the gap between playoff appearances stretches to a minimum of 2,490 days?

Management has done such an amazing job of lower expectations that most fans don’t even want to make the playoffs next year but if we’re looking at lottery picks again next summer I would hope that management is shown the door. Finishing 30, 30th, and no better than 26th is not a good record for any management team rebuild or not. But if the Oilers are a better team on the ice next season that still finishes between 20th and 25th overall they will keep their jobs.

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by ryanbatty on May 12, 2011 11:44 AM MDT reply actions  

25th would be mighty disappointing but I think you are right about them keeping their jobs. IMO anything below 20th is failing and they sure aren’t going to make 20th without at least one significant improvement. Time to see if there is anything beyond smoke and mirrors here.

by till_horcoff_is_coach on May 12, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

20th place has averaged 88 points in the six season post lockout. Can we really expect 26 more points with our lineup? As fans we should be demanding 20th place at a minimum but Tambellini et al. have a different plan.

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by ryanbatty on May 12, 2011 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Long term rebuild is a fallacy, an excuse to fail.

We will have all the necessary elite forwards a team can afford after this draft.

The next step is to fill out the roster with the depth up front and top D, all of which are available UFA and via trade.

All teams that have rebuilt well recently drafted the basic core and signed the rest and all that was left was playoff experience and some maturation.

Chicago got their elite D before the forwards so they had time to develop before the forwards came. We have the forwards first so acquire the D.

Dubnyk is good enough for now and may be the guy anyway in a few years.

I also don’t think you can plan 6 years down the road in pro sports anyway. There will be a new CBA, there are injuries, the league could change rules or stop calling obstruction and the face of the game changes, along with the type of player that succeeds, etc etc.

Once you have enough core in place it’s time to go for it and start trying to win, and deal with what happens as you go along, as all the contending teams do. Find players and make deals to fix what keeps changing and going wrong. Rosters rarely remain static outside of the core these days, so trying to build one for 6 years later is likely a fool’s gambit.

by FastOil on May 12, 2011 1:20 PM MDT reply actions  

so trying to build one for 6 years later is likely a fool’s gambit.

Not if you are attempting to sell an arena along the same timeline.

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by Derek Zona on May 12, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Doesn't have to take 6 years

I like the way FastOil said it. I honestly think that management in organizations should keep their mouths shut about how long rebuilds are going to take. The sum total of the talent of any team is not all that a team is. It’s so much more than that, and so much depends on the ability of players to believe in themselves and in the team.

We call that self-confidence. I call it managing our beliefs. When I play racquetball as soon as I think I can’t do it, I can’t. When I’m on a roll and think I’m invincible even against a far superior player, I am invincible. I’m a B player who regularly beats A players who are faster than me and hit the ball harder. I am invincible until something happens and I make that mean that I can’t do it. It’s all about beliefs, so why feed negative ones to people that we need to lose for six years?

Last year the Senators won alot of games with a collection of AHL players who believed in themselves. I say that the Oil have enough talent that a few additions along with the right attitude could propel them way ahead of the doom and gloom “Six Year Plan”.

by Marvellous on May 13, 2011 6:41 AM MDT reply actions  

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