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CHL Update - NHL Draft Prospects Stat Breakdowns

Its official. After months of speculation and predictions, the Edmonton Oilers have secured the 1st overall selection in the 2011 NHL draft. It wasn't easy mind you as Ryan Whitney, Taylor Hall, Ales Hemsky and Dustin Penner threatened to prevent the Oilers from getting into this position. However, a combination of stellar goaltending from the team MVP and Steve Tambellini's lucky tie saw them through. We all know there are some perks for finishing last in the league and one of them is losing the lottery and remaining in first place. The highlight of lottery night was TSN's mini-interview of Steve Tambellini when James Duthie remarked that the Oilers would be hoping to avoid this next time around. However knowing Steve Tambellini and his 5-year plan, I am not so sure. To counter that plan, the good thing is that Oilers have 3 picks in top 31 selections and Stu MacGregor's track record instills confidence in every fan.

After the jump I'll take a detailed look at the top prospects in 2011 and some interesting prospects from 2010.

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In the table below, I've broken out a number of stats including percentage contribution to offense, even strength points per game and goals per game. The players are grouped by league and sorted w.r.t. to ESP/G. The situational scoring breakdown will be posted as a FanPost in the coming days.

Legend: %cont = individual points divided team goals; G/G = goals per game; A/G = assists per game; ESP/G = even strength points per game; PPP/G = power play points per game; P/G = points per game

Player League Team Pos GP Points Team G %cont G/G A/G ESP/G PPP/G P/G
Jonathan Huberdeau QMJHL Saint John C 67 105 316 0.33 0.60 0.93 1.03 0.45 1.57
Zach Phillips QMJHL Saint John RW 67 95 314 0.30 0.55 0.85 0.94 0.46 1.42
Sean Couturier QMJHL Drummondville C 58 96 214 0.45 0.55 1.03 0.91 0.60 1.66
Thomas Jurco QMJHL Saint John F 60 56 285 0.20 0.52 0.42 0.63 0.30 0.93
Jeremie Blain QMJHL Acadie-Bathrust D 40 37 162 0.23 0.05 0.88 0.48 0.45 0.93
Brandon Gormley QMJHL Moncton D 47 48 167 0.29 0.28 0.74 0.32 0.68 1.02
Nathan Beaulieu QMJHL Saint John D 65 45 309 0.15 0.18 0.51 0.28 0.38 0.69
Player League Team Pos GP Points Team G %cont G/G A/G ESP/G PPP/G P/G
Ryan Strome  OHL Niagra C 65 106 260 0.41 0.48 1.12 0.97 0.62 1.63
Gabriel Landeskog OHL Kitchner RW 53 66 210 0.31 0.66 0.57 0.87 0.34 1.25
Ryan Martindale OHL Ottawa C 65 83 261 0.32 0.51 0.75 0.80 0.43 1.28
Alex Khokhlachev OHL Windsor C 67 76 275 0.28 0.51 0.63 0.75 0.39 1.13
Mark Scheifele OHL Barrie C 66 76 219 0.35 0.32 0.82 0.59 0.55 1.15
Matthew Puempel OHL Petersborough LW 55 69 167 0.41 0.62 0.64 0.58 0.60 1.25
Nicklas Jensen OHL Oshawa RW 61 58 249 0.23 0.48 0.48 0.57 0.38 0.95
Autin Watson OHL Petersborough RW 68 68 194 0.35 0.47 0.50 0.51 0.43 1.00
Ryan Murphy OHL Kitchener D 63 79 245 0.32 0.41 0.84 0.49 0.75 1.25
Brandon Saad OHL Saginaw C 59 55 205 0.27 0.42 0.47 0.44 0.32 0.93
Vincent Trochek OHL Saginaw C 71 62 240 0.26 0.30 0.51 0.44 0.31 0.87
Doug Hamilton OHL Niagra D 67 58 267 0.22 0.18 0.69 0.37 0.46 0.87
Erik Gudbranson OHL Kingston D 44 34 166 0.20 0.23 0.50 0.32 0.39 0.77
Player League Team Pos GP Points Team G %cont G/G A/G ESP/G PPP/G P/G
Sven Bartschi WHL Portland LW 67 85 286 0.30 0.51 0.76 0.93 0.33 1.27
Ryan Johansen WHL Portland C 63 92 270 0.34 0.62 0.83 0.87 0.49 1.46
Nino Niederreiter WHL
Portland LW 55 70 253 0.28 0.75 0.53 0.87 0.35 1.27
Ty Rattie WHL Portland RW 67 79 274 0.29 0.42 0.76 0.87 0.31 1.18
Brayden Schenn WHL Saskatoon C 29 57 156 0.37 0.66 1.21 0.86 0.83 1.97
Michael St.Croix WHL Edmonton C 68 75 234 0.32 0.40 0.71 0.76 0.34 1.10
Mark McNeill WHL Prince Albert C 70 81 237 0.34 0.43 0.70 0.74 0.36 1.16
Curtis Hamilton WHL Saskatoon LW 62 82 266 0.31 0.37 0.90 0.74 0.39 1.32
Brett Connolly WHL Prince George RW 59 73 214 0.34 0.75 0.46 0.73 0.47 1.24
Tyler Pitlick WHL Medicine Hat C 56 62 210 0.30 0.48 0.63 0.71 0.38 1.11
Scott Glennie WHL Brandon C 70 91 273 0.33 0.49 0.80 0.70 0.54 1.30
Ryan Hopkins WHL Red Deer C 69 106 257 0.41 0.45 1.09 0.67 0.86 1.54
Emerson Etem WHL Medicine Hat C 65 80 233 0.34 0.57 0.55 0.65 0.42 1.23
Kristians Pelss WHL Edmonton RW 63 33 223 0.15 0.22 0.30 0.49 0.03 0.52
Shane McColgan WHL Kelowna RW 67 66 216 0.31 0.30 0.67 0.46 0.51 0.99
Jared Cowen WHL Spokane D 58 48 237 0.20 0.29 0.52 0.43 0.38 0.83
Drew Czerwonka WHL Kootenay LW 68 42 251 0.17 0.21 0.41 0.41 0.19 0.62
Brandon Davidson WHL Regina D 73 51 217 0.24 0.11 0.59 0.37 0.30 0.70
Martin Marincin WHL Prince George D 67 56 238 0.24 0.21 0.63 0.36 0.48 0.84
Joe Morrow WHL Portland D 60 49 257 0.19 0.15 0.65 0.33 0.45 0.82
Cameron Abney WHL Edmonton RW 60 21 200 0.11 0.12 0.23 0.32 0.03 0.35
Duncan Siemens WHL Saskatoon D 72 43 306 0.14 0.07 0.53 0.31 0.24 0.60
David Musil WHL Vancouver D 61 25 209 0.12 0.10 0.31 0.28 0.11 0.41
Dylan McIlrath WHL Moose Jaw D 62 23 205 0.11 0.08 0.29 0.24 0.13 0.37

 

Some thoughts:

  • Jonathan Huberdeau looks really good by the numbers and his inclusion in the Sean Couturier in every category other than percentage contribution to offense. I think the simple explanation is the strength of their respective teams. Unfortunately we dont have zone starts or time on ice to give us a clearer picture. 
  • Yesterday Bruce pointed out the disparity in opinions of the scouts and some of the writers in the sphere regarding Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. There is a good reason for that. He ranks 11th among the draft eligible forwards in even strength points per game. One explanation for this is that he plays against the top defensemen and checking forwards, but there is nothing to say that others arent. I will be very surprised if Ryan Strome, Huberdeau, Couturier weren't playing under similar circumstances.
  • Adam Larsson and Doug Hamilton have separated themselves from the pack. But how do the others stack up is not too clear. Dean Millard and Guy Flaming had a fabulous piece a while back. I would encourage the readers to check it out. It can be found here. However, the question of Beaulieu still remains. Personally I am not too high on Siemens. His play, scouting report all suggest that he is somewhat in the mold of Colten Teubert. Raw, physical, good skater and all that. His offense is not that impressive if you look at percentage contribution, especially when compared to the other draft eligible defensemen. If it were upto me, I would slot the defensemen as follows: Ryan Murphy, Nathan Beaulieu, Joe Morrow, Duncan Siemens and David Musil. I cannot understand what went wring with David Musil this season. Last season he showed so much promise that some expected him to challenge for a position in the top 5.
  • The second tier of prospects is headlined by Mark McNeill. He is a big, gritty center with 2 way skills and I think he will be our second pick if he is available. Then there is slick winger in Ty Rattie who looks to be Eberle like, except for the shooting accuracy. Following them are Matt Puempel, Mark Scheffiele, Zach Phillips and Alexander Khokhlachev. In fact there is a very good group of players who will be in the range for out second pick. This should be a successful draft for the Oilers.
  • This year was supposed to be a year of the power forwards - Gabriel Landeskog, Brandon Saad, Seth Ambroz et.al. We know how rare power forwards are in the NHL, so it was no surprise that scouts and draft nuts like me were excited to see how the season would unfold. However, besides Landeskog, the others have not been able to live up to the pre-season hype and have seen their draft stock fall steadily. That is not to say that they do not have the potential, but production is not there and this is hurting them. Due to such a slide, they have distanced themselves from the top half of the 1st round and some one like Saad may just be available at 31. On the other hand, some small skilled men have made a good name for themselves. Sven Bartchi was recently named a top 10 North American skater by NHL Central Scouting. Alexander Khokhlachev did the same with the red line report. Vincent Trochek is a very good penalty killer and defensively-reliable forward and may have passed Brandon Saad in some eyes.
  • Curtis Hamilton and Brayden Schenn and the loaded Saskatoon Blades were booted from the playoffs by the Kootenay Ice. While Drew Czerwonka's Ice were considered a very strong team, most people expected Saskatoon to be the best. Unfortunately, other than Hamilton, no other Oiler non-goalie prospect is involved in the CHL playoffs. But one of the Oilers goalie prospects is shutting down Red Deer Rebels and Ryan Hopkins. I remember having a debate with Bruce regarding Red Deer and them possibly being the best team in the WHL, while I was advocating the same about Saskatoon. Unfortunately we both are seeing our respective teams in a 0-3 hole.
  • Should I talk about Dylan MacIIrath getting selected at 10th overall? No..I think I will just sign off.
Poll
Who do you think is the third best prospect in the draft.
Sean Couturier
84 votes
Ryan Nugent Hopkins
93 votes
Adam Larsson
63 votes
Ryan Strome
20 votes
Jonathan Huberdeau
30 votes
Doug Hamilton
17 votes
Gabriel Landeskog
130 votes
Ryan Murphy
4 votes
Other -> please comment
5 votes

446 votes | Poll has closed

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Tyler Pitlick

Is Pitlick not playing right now?

Unfortunately, other than Hamilton, no other Oiler non-goalie prospect is involved in the CHL playoffs

by Justin R. on Apr 15, 2011 12:01 PM MDT reply actions  

injured, back next round

by gcw_rocks on Apr 15, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now even Saskatoon is out…so yeah Hamilton is out.

In the perfect world, leafs would win the lottery

by SumOil on Apr 15, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

RNH’s numbers are frightening. Anyone can talk all they want about his gretzky-esque vision of the ice, but those numbers don’t lie – if you can’t score at evens in junior, what are the odds you will in the best league in the world?

I’m pretty sure it’s somewhere between zip and zilch.

Strome and Couturier look like beasts by these metrics, esp. that % of team points. Looks like they are really driving the bus for their teams. Huberdeau looks good by ESP/G, but I question how much of that stems from being on such a stacked team. With both Beaulieu and Phillipsup there too, is this just a matter of having better than average team mates and an inflated point totals?

RNH was driving the bus in Red Deer, so he’s got that going for him. I guess I’m not sold on his being the best prospect available for that #1 Selection. Seems like a big risk to take with the #1 slelection – real boom-bust type selection. I would rather see another player with more established virtues taken with that pick, or use it to acquire additional 1sts-2nds.

by Permaculture on Apr 15, 2011 12:44 PM MDT reply actions  

RNH’s numbers are frightening.

His ESP/G numbers are closer to Kristians Pelss, not Sven Bartschi.

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by Derek Zona on Apr 15, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sum, if you’ve got time to kill, check out Stefan Noesen from Plymouth. I’ve got him at 53 non-PP points in 68 games.

by Passive Voice on Apr 15, 2011 12:45 PM MDT reply actions  

Great work Sum.

Looking at %Cont I got to thinking about PP%Cont. Specifically I was thinking about RNH and his power play numbers. A quick back calculation of his PPP/G got me to 59 power play points out of 80 power play goals for Red Deer for a PP%Cont of 0.74. I don’t know how others would stack up against that number but it seems high to me. I wonder, is he the guy driving that power play or is it a group effort?

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by ryanbatty on Apr 15, 2011 1:25 PM MDT reply actions  

That would be high even if he was on the ice for every single PP goal Red Deer scored, at least compared to what players do in the NHL.

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by Scott Reynolds on Apr 15, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Having read that post and the even strength one as well I now want to add the percentages together and see what happens. Sort of a NHL version of OPS.

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by ryanbatty on Apr 15, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you check out SumOil’s last CHL update, in my comment, I actually calculate this for the top 8 prospects. And that PP contribution from RNH is ridiculously far afield of anyone else. He very much seems to be some sort of PP wizard. He might not do much at even strength for the Oilers next year, but he could maybe give the PP a kickstart.

by Double DD on Apr 15, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s the thing with these top picks. I understand the rationale for looking primarily at EV points (and that number is worrying) since most players won’t get PP opportunities in the NHL right away, but the guys at the very top will almost certainly get a chance to show their stuff.

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by Scott Reynolds on Apr 15, 2011 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which leads you back to?

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by Derek Zona on Apr 15, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Caring about the PP points more than I would if he was going to be a later pick.

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by Scott Reynolds on Apr 15, 2011 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Musil battled injuries for the most part… still a strong prospect just had shitty luck in his draft year. He’ll be a steal in the 2nd round… Dimitri Jaskin should also be highly regarded

by Czechboy on Apr 15, 2011 4:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Isn’t part of the argument for Nugent-Hopkins that he started to come on late in the season, showing progress over the course of the year?

I think an important question to ask when assessing Nugent-Hopkins’ ability at even strength is to ask whether the jump in goal-scoring and point production was still all on the powerplay, or if he started to make significant head-way at even strength too.

by David Supina on Apr 15, 2011 6:19 PM MDT reply actions  

you know who had one of the best end to their season last year?
Austin Watson

In the perfect world, leafs would win the lottery

by SumOil on Apr 15, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sean Couturier & Duncan Siemens

1. Couturier – his numbers speak volumes, his size is an asset, and he had no big talent for teammates. Huberdeau had a great season but he also had 3 of the top 7 players in the league as teammates. Even on a team with few other offensive threats, Couturier had a phenominal plus/minus (+55 in 58 games). He is leading in points per game, plus/minus, percentage of team’s points and his hockey IQ is off the charts (some say a relatively unteachable skill). Size, smarts, offense and defense? Am I missing why he isn’t #1? Because he appears to not be working as hard? That’s a ridiculous notion. Is the offense first ‘Q’ to blame? Tell that to Lemieux, Bossy, Lafontaine, Lafleur, Robitaille, Savard and Hawerchuk. And why is Heberdeau so high? And if it is because the ‘Q’ isn’t as defensive, then it should mean his plus/minus is even more impressive. I don’t get it. Couturier is a guarantee. RNH worries me. No doubt he is talented, but what if RNH can’t handle the physicality of the NHL?
2. Duncan Siemens is also underrated. He is a few days away from being too young to be drafted. Imagine if he was a few days younger how his game would have matured with an extra year of seasoning and growth. I think he would be being considered for the top 5 in the 2012 draft, maybe even top 2.

by Maurey Loeffler on Apr 19, 2011 12:10 AM MDT reply actions  

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