Number That May Only Interest Me - $5,174,235
by Derek Zona on Mar 4, 2011 10:00 AM MST
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The total dollars spent thus far by the Edmonton Oilers on one-way deals on players not in the NHL this year. The breakdown by player is below:
| Jeff Deslauriers |
$ 698,108 |
| Alex Giroux | $ 402,702 |
| Robert Nilsson | $ 335,585 |
| Sheldon Souray | $ 3,624,324 |
| Zack Stortini | $ 113,513 |
That's a significant amount of money wasted in a single season and given Souray's status, there will be more money wasted next season.
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I wonder if any team in the NHL lights more money on fire than this one?
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And Cristobal Huet
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not close to 5 million…but yes,
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Finger’s $4M; Huet’s over $5M; Redden’s $6.5M. I think I worked out our total (with Stortini’s pro-rated) to around $6.5M, plus another $5.6M spent on guys who shouldn’t be here (Khabibulin, MacIntyre, Strudwick, Jacques).
So…no, I don’t think any team in the League lights more money on fire than the Oilers.
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Well Sather raises you Boogard with 1.65 and Todd White with 2.3 million
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Tim Kennedy (550k) was also on a 1-way deal before he was moved. So Sather went and traded for John Mitchel, on a 725k 1-way deal.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 4, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
Sather has my undying love for saving us from Boogie.
by eddy the lip on Mar 4, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
Boogard is on LTIR
Not defending the wisdom of signing a previously concussed enforcer to a four year deal, but that expenditure Cablevision dollars doesn’t fit the bill here.
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I’d be pretty surprised if the Rangers didn’t have the most. They’ve got Redden obviously, but they just acquired John Mitchell who’s on a one-way deal, had Tim Kennedy buried for a lot of the season, and Todd White has been down there for a while now too.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 4, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
didnt they trade Kennedy to FLA in the McCabe deal?
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Yeah…Sather’s excellent at it. Then again, you need something to light all the cigars he goes through.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 4, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
Souray is an obvious waste of money. Nilsson is a buy out and the Oil are far from the only team in recent years to have buy out players monies being paid out.
But beyond that they did say last off-season that they planned to spend less money on player salaries with the big club. In turn much of that money would be applied to the farm team and the development system of the team in general. The JDD contract when given to me reeked of making him less attractive on waivers while being earmarked for OKC all along.
Some of what they did makes sense, some of it less so. I think Giroux, Nilsson, and Stortini are all clearly defensible decisions. Giroux was brought in for OKC all along, buying out Nilsson saves them a bunch of money, and the team does have a budget, so that probably makes sense, and Stortini was sent down so that there was room on the roster for better players (i.e. Reddox and Omark). The Deslauriers contract was definitely wasteful. He’s just not a very good goalie, and the Oilers could have easily gotten someone better for way less than $1M (as they did with Gerber). And then Souray is Souray. If the club isn’t planning to spend to the cap in either of the next two seasons, and decide that they don’t want Souray on the club, the most efficient thing to do at this point is likely buy him out.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 4, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
Alex Giroux $ 402,702
Do you honestly believe that Giroux was signed to play in the NHL? He was hired to help OKC. He has done so. Thus it is not wasted money.
I would expect this from a scribe from the East who is just working from numbers, but you are supposed to at least have a base level of familiarity with the team. Your point about wasted money was valid without including this. You just lose credibility when you try to add drama to things.
If that’s your point it makes it even worse mismanagement. If he was signed for that they should have made it a two-way deal. Why sign someone who never expect to play in the NHL to a one way deal?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 4, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
I love that the PPP comment crew comes around so often. Nice to have visitors.
Anyway, the logic here is that the Oilers went in intending to light Giroux’s money on fire. They’ve had a problems with the competitiveness of the farm team over the last few years, and I think the consensus is that it has impacted both the attendance of the teams as well as the development of the prospects assigned there. With a new farm team in a new market, the Oilers decided that committing a few more dollars there to help get the fans interested and improve the environment for development was worthwhile. The cost of bringing in a high-quality AHL veteran like Giroux was apparently a one-way deal. I have no problem with that. They probably could have accomplished something similar more cheaply (and with a better eye to future RFA issues) by giving Paajarvi that spot and signing a veteran NHL player, but that’s a bit beside the point.
If he refused to sign a two-way deal I suppose they had no choice.
The Leafs have Joey Crabb on a two-way deal and he has contributed pretty well at the NHL level lately.
You’re telling me your GM was forced to give a one-way deal to a career AHLer?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 4, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
They probably could have accomplished something similar more cheaply (and with a better eye to future RFA issues) by giving Paajarvi that spot and signing a veteran NHL player, but that’s a bit beside the point.
You come over to PPP we’ll spent 300+ comments debating that issue.
Those things matter to a team that will have a whole lot of young players wanting raises at the same time.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 4, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, that’s one we’ve spent a lot of time debating on the other Oiler blogs as well. MC’s place in particular, back at the start of the year. It’s an important issue I think, and one that the Oilers have ignored at their own peril.
Let’s hope Steve-O smartens up about it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 4, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
A career AHLer with 120 goals in the last two years and a couple of Calder Cups. But yeah, pretty much.
AHL superstar either way. That one I can kind of understand because they want to give their kids a winning environment in the AHL. Weird that they don’t try the same with the big club…
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by PPP on Mar 4, 2011 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
“Weird that they don’t try the same with the big club”
500,000 vs 6mil = 5.5 mil savings
plus a 9 place finish does nothing for a rebuild. 2-3 years of suctastic performance for 2-3 top 5 picks starting with Hall….
by Rob Dombowsky on Mar 4, 2011 11:39 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t know, he’s been one of the best offensive players in the AHL. If you want your AHL team to be good, may as well get good AHL players.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 4, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
Why not let Eberle or MPS play there? They’d probably be pretty good AHL players.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 4, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think there would have been much point in letting Eberle play there. As for Paajarvi, I would have liked to see him playing in Sweden for another year truth be told. But even if he was in the AHL, there’s absolutely no reason that you can’t have both Paajarvi and Giroux playing on the same team. As you say, Paajarvi probably would have been a good AHL player; Giroux, though, was a stone cold lock to be an excellent AHL player. Nothing wrong with having a couple of those around.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 4, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
I’m not sure I follow your point here. The only difference between a one-way deal and a two-way deal is money. Presumably, the Oilers really wanted Giroux for the Barons, so they offered him more money than others were willing to offer. I don’t follow how that is mismanagement. Heck, I’d even be willing to say that the Giroux signing was an example of good management.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 4, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
The difference being a two-way deal means that the player receives a different salary in the AHL than they do in the NHL.
If they wanted him to only play in the AHL sign him to an AHL contract then.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 4, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
Then OKC has to sign Giroux. Just guessing, but a guy who scored 70 goals or whatever in a full season in the AHL probably wants a contract with an NHL team.
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by red army line on Mar 4, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
In fairness, he’s talking about an NHL/AHL contract, not an AHL-only contract. Still, I just don’t see how this is a bad deal. The Oilers decided to put value on AHL success and spent accordingly. Nothing wrong with that.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 4, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
IIRC, they also gave Giroux a chance to make the NHL team. So his deal was based on that.
He was pretty pissed when he got sent down to OKC because he was apparantly told he’d have the opportunity to make the team.
Personally speaking, I don’t think it was a bad move to sign him. He’s a quality AHL player and this team did a terrible job in Springfield bringing in good players.
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It’s not a huge deal or anything obviously just seems strange to me that they couldn’t get him to sign a two-way deal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 4, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
He won 2 calder cups in a row and was going to a team who was one of the worst in the AHL. He had some options.
Personally speaking I didn’t mind this signing at all, and is a (IMO) good example of what you want to do with your AHL team.
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I suppose but if as Derek says the intent was to have Giroux play in the NHL it seems odd that they wouldn’t give him a two way as the incentive to get him to sign the deal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 4, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
The intent was most definitely not to have Giroux playing in the NHL. Derek is referring to some irate comments that Giroux made about the team to a french newspaper when he was cut:
I was duped. In the summer, the Oilers told me that I would fight for one of three forward positions. Little did I know that those spots were promised to Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, and Magnus Paajarvi…. In nine years of pro hockey, I’ve learned never to trust anyone, and yet I’ve managed to find some fresh proof…. Oklahoma City is an expansion team and the organization wanted to make sure that they had a star player. It was deceitful, particularly since I told the Oilers that I needed a new challenge. I’ve already done what I can in the AHL, and I don’t want to waste my time…. If things aren’t going to work out with the Oilers, I’ll look at Europe. I’ll even look at leaving during the middle of the season.
So yeah. He was pissed! And Derek is right to point out that that part of the process does not represent good management. But the idea of bringing in a star? That was good.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 4, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Giroux signing was an example of good management.
Except for the whole “Forgot to tell Giroux” part.
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Wow. He was angry.
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by PPP on Mar 4, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
I’m not sure I follow… he posted the list of all the players the Oilers are paying NHL money to not play in the NHL.
Whether some of it is intentional (Giroux) or not (everyond else) doesn’t change anything.
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Do you honestly believe that Giroux was signed to play in the NHL?
Giroux did.
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If he believed that he had a better than 50/50 shot at the NHL then I’m going to go ahead and call that willful blindness to the situation he was coming to.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 4, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
How the hell was he supposed to know he’d lose a roster to spot to JFJ or Smac?
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Because the Oilers wanted to ice an… ahem… “traditional” fourth line, and wanted to carry an enforcer as well. From his own comments, it seems like he was angling for a shot at top nine minutes.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 4, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
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