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*Note - this started as a response to this post by Derek, and when I was done, it screamed "POST ME".  I am but a slave to my creations...*

Regardless of whether the Oilers get the first or second overall, there needs to be a clear decision on how close those players you mention are.  If there is little difference in the current value of any of them to the Oilers (they could all fill needs if they meet their potential) I think that they need to consider making a move at the draft.

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I wouldn't drop out of the top five, so that only leaves a few teams who could make a deal, unless they went in for a multi-team swap (which seems to be hard to swing).  So the question then becomes what assets would you get back for that #1 or #2 pick?  

Teams that seem to be in the bottom 5, and assets that those teams have (all draft info from Wikipedia):

Florida

2011 Picks:  FLA 1 ,2 ,3,4,6, MTL 2, NYR 3 WAS 3 BOS 3

FLA Prospects via HF

NY Islanders

2011 Picks:  NYI 1 ,2 ,3 or COL 3, 4,5, 7, MTL 2,  ATL 5

NYI Prospects via HF

Ottawa

2011 Picks: OTT 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 NSH 1 BOS 2,  CHI VARRIABLE 2, PHO 6

OTT Prospects via HF

Colorado

COL 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, STL 1?

COL prospects via HF

As you can certainly see, there are some desirable options there, although it would likely require several trades to get a second pick in the top 5, if we were dealing with draft picks alone.

However, there has also been a fair bit of chatter about how our multitude of small centres fit into this team moving forwards, and it's pretty clear to me that 2/3 of 13/67/89 do not have a future at centre with the Oilers.  So likely two of them need to be moved, and one or two packaged with that #1 make for a fairly compelling (read - valuable) package.   Or,, if we don't trade down, dangling one or two plus a second or our late first might see us get another pick in that range.

Personally, in my dreams we get some combination of RNH/Strome and Hamilton/Larsson, but that's definitely pie in the sky right now.  How that would happen... I'm really not sure

What I really want to see is that management is working to try to make something good happen.  I'm convinced that the Penner Deal was terrible for the Oilers now, but it certainly has the potential to be better later.  Hopefully, they can be agressive and go after the players that they rank highly with the assets we currently have.  

God knows we don't have the assets to be good right now at the moment... and its hard to fathom management fixing that, so... what other option is there?  Come on Stu - Roll another hard eight!!

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I wouldn’t drop out of the top five

This is interesting. Any particular reason for choosing top five? Do you see five prospects above the rest, or is it just that it’s a familiar number?

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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 31, 2011 10:59 AM MDT reply actions  

I suppose it’s a little arbitrary. Mostly, my thinking was "okay, these are the guys that I would target: Larsson, Couturier, Strome, Hamilton and RNH. From where I sit, they all look like they are can’t miss prospects, each for different reasons. If we can stay in the top 5, we’re guaranteed to get one of them, and we can still pick up some other assets, which could include or be used to get another second. I seem to recall there being some analysis of the value of seconds being nearly identical to 1st outside of the top 5. I expect that analysis also played a role in wanting to stay in the top 5 too)

So really, it comes down to playing the odds on the top 5 prospects while also recognizing the value of 2nd rounders as nearly equivalent to most 1st rounders. After all, since the team has apparently been turned over to Stu anyways, why not make sure hes go more bullets rather than less?

by Permaculture on Apr 3, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure where you heard that most second rounders have similar value to most first rounders, but I don’t believe it. If you could find a link, I’d be very interested in the reasoning, but my own look into the historical data suggests a more conventional valuation (i.e. that higher picks have significantly more value).

As for the top five you’ve got there, I’m a little surprised at the exclusion of Landeskog given his presence near the top of most charts. Are you nervous about his offense?

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by Scott Reynolds on Apr 3, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it probably was based on your post Scott. I have a horrible memory for the exact details of a given article. It’s helpful that Derek recently posted his article about the value of those high picks. It really helped me to clarify my line of thinking, especially after review your article as well.

Based on your numbers, the odds of getting a high-end player in the first 15 picks is quite high, but after that, it drops some, but not a lot for forwards, and a lot more sharply for defensemen, and with goalies its next to blind luck. So, based on that information, targetting forwards with high upside and some kind of flaw seems to be the best bet for those late firsts early seconds.

However, my perception is that while those early 1st’s are treated like the gold they are, the later 1st and even 2nds are substantially less costly to acquire, yet still provide a reasonably good shot at getting a player who could be a top tier player. Based on their perceived value by NHL GMs, and therefore what it would cost to get one, they seem a better value to try to acquire.

I expect that my view here is also biased by the Oilers apparent success with them last year.

While there has not been a study on it, I expect that there would also be a substantial savings in real dollars when resigning players who have been drafted, which also has real value to an NHL Team, especially for those high-end players that your study looks at.

Finally, what your study does not examine is the value of getting those checkers, faceoff specialists, and other players who are very useful and valuable to all NHL teams, but that you write off as easily available in free agency. My original post was an expression of my beleif that the odds of drafting one of these players is a fair bit higher in the late 1st early 2nd rounds than later on, and that the value of getting one or the other of these players with those picks might be worth dropping a little early on if there is little perceived difference in value of the 1st player on your draft list with the 5th.

As for Landeskog, I do have some minor reservations about his jump this year in points, and its sustainability. Moreso, this is related to looking at team needs. Based on the Players under contract and the players in the pipeline, I see the centre / 1/2 D hole much more concerning long-term, and considering how highly valued players who can fit either role are in the NHL, it seems more important to target one of the prospects who could fit there.

by Permaculture on Apr 4, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

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