(3) Wade Redden v. (14) Derek Boogaard
by Scott Reynolds on Mar 25, 2011 10:36 AM MDT
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PrintYesterday's vote was the closest in the Not-So-Sweet Sixteen to date, but in the end, Brian Campbell ended up dusting one of Glen Sather's boys to move on to the next round where he'll meet Vincent Lecavalier. But today's match-up ensures that at least one Sather contract will make it to the next round as Wade Redden and Derek Boogaard clash in a contest between Sather's two stupidest contracts since arriving in New York. I'll make the case for each player after the jump, and also debut the snazzy new Not-So-Sweet Sixteen bracket that Derek (Zona not Boogaard) so helpfully created.
Wade Redden
This contract is truly awful, and no one will argue otherwise. Redden can refuse a trade to eight teams, but all thirty have already taken a pass on him, so that's not really all that relevant. He's been waived and found wanting, and now plies his trade in the AHL where he's had a pretty good season offensively (eight goals and thirty-one assists in sixty-three games), but his -5 rating is fourth-worst on the team. He may not be crippling New York's cap since they've decided to bury him and have the resources to do so, but even New York has a budget for their hockey team, and there's no question that they could spend twenty-three million dollars a whole lot more effectively over the next four years.
Derek Boogaard
Or maybe not. One of the guys Redden was banished to make room for is Derek Boogaard, a man with one goal over his last five seasons. I am fully confident that Boogaard provides negative value (and karma) to any team he plays for. Redden obviously makes more money, and his presence in the AHL demonstrates that his contract is seen by the Rangers as the bigger burden, but it's not unfathomable to suggest that if Redden were playing in the NHL, he would at least offer some value to his team. Derek Boogaard does not. His contract is more money and more term than any goon I can remember. That's stupid enough to make him a contender.
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Yay! We do get an all-Sather matchup! I expected Redden v Drury just to really make it a pain in the ass to decide, but I’ll take this.
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Yeah, I didn’t include Drury because next year is his last, and I don’t think I have any expiring that soon in the tourney. The pain just doesn’t last long enough!
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 25, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I voted Boogaard, but I’m not completely sold on my vote. Redden’s contract might be the worst contract here so far besides Khabibulin’s (which will probably be the final winner) but at least it’s money spent on a hockey player. The fact that Boogaard is in the NHL instead of, say, the LNAH is absolutely fucking disgusting to me. He’s not the only person I would apply that disgust to, but he’s paid a lot more than the others.
I am surprised that you think Khabibulin will roll over DiPietro so easily.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 25, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh right, I forgot about DP. I still think Khabi’s is worse, though, in the short term. The only real saving grace is that the suffering ends sooner.
by despisethesun on Mar 25, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I think it comes down to terms. Pretty Effin stupid contracts that expire early should end up beating the longer ones.
I was initially surprised to see Boogard here. While I expected Redden, I was hoping for Rolston as his competitor. That said, I voted Boogard as it is a mind numbingly stupid contract. However, as an Oiler fan, I can’t thank Sather enough for rescuing us from signign that man.
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Like Drury, Rolston’s deal expires next season, and like Drury, while the guy is overpaid, he’s worth something so I didn’t think there was enough dead money/cap space for him to really compete. That’s true of Boogaard too to some degree, but I wanted the goons to be represented.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 25, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh yeah. For some reason I thought there was another year on that deal.
But the Rolston deal is going to have an impact on the NJ. They cant burry the cap hit and need to re-sign Parise.
Drury can be burried in the minors.
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Drury’s got a NMC, he can’t go to the minors.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 25, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh I got confused between Gaborik and Drury…one has a NTC and other a NMC.
But yeah him being on the roster for next season doesnt really hurt any re-signings. With Prospal and Frolov out, Dubinsky can easily be resigned.
Whereas Rolston on the payroll, Lou will have to make a lot of decisions.
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I don’t think it’ll be an issue for the Devils. Parise is the only significant signing they have to make, and the cap is likely to rise a bit, so they should be able to afford him, particularly since he’s a RFA and coming off a major injury.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 25, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
They are at 63 million today and are under the cap because of LTIRs.
If the cap goes up by 2 million ~ 61.5 that is still too tight.
Furthermore, I dont see them resigning him for anything less than Patrick Kane money.
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one of the LTIRs probably isn’t coming back to the NHL (salvador), though, so there’s that. there’s also other overpriced contracts that might move instead of him (Zubrus, Clarkson). there’s also the possibility that the rolston contract moves elsewhere, either via trade or through waivers. we saw the thrashers use donald brashear’s contract as a way to save money – we might see something similar with rolston.
But their cap payroll for next year is only at $52.2M, and they’ve got 17 players signed. If we estimate a cap of $61.5M and give Kane’s $6.3M to Parise, that leaves $3M for four more players if the Devils want to play with a 22-man roster. And that’s without taking any of the measures Triumph mentioned earlier. It just doesn’t seem like this will be much of a challenge.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 25, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I dont see how that works out….they have no one other than Parise coming off the books as a significant signing. yet their cap payroll drops from 63 million to 52…I dont get it.
I know they can just bury Zurbus and/or others, but that was my point. It has hurt them. Lets say they do send down Zubrus and Rolston plays in his role, That is essentially ~ 8.5 million on a second line center role. For a shrwed man like lou, this signing has not been one of his high points.
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Ohh Arnott was traded away, so that is another 3.5 or maybe a prorated 2,5 million off the books.
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Yeah, there’s him, plus Hedberg is off the roster, and then you’ve got the fact that the club is carrying ten defenders at the moment, which is a few more than you need if folks are healthy. As for the Rolston signing being a misstep, it sure as heck was.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 25, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Dubinsky and Callahan are both RFAs. Drury doesn’t hurt the re-signings, but he (and Redden) hurt the coveted UFA in Dallas.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 25, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Another reason to love the Drury deal!
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 25, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I can’t say I’m completely distraught..the thought of Richards having a 7/$50m deal or something is scary.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 25, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I’ve been expecting Rolston for a while too.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Mar 25, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Redden is going to eat up the Rangers’ entire summer cap for the next 4 years. That’s brutal for a team that should be living at the cap. They might be able to trade the last two years of the contract, but I doubt it – it’s not even clear that Redden is anything better than replacement-level now, and he probably won’t get better.
Mercifully, it’s only 3 more. Rumor is he might allow the Rangers to void his deal by failing to report next year, but we’ll see.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 25, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Riding buses isn’t fun? From Redden via NY Daily News:
“That’s one of the options,” Redden said. “There’s that, there’s coming back here, there’s going to Europe. I don’t know. It’s a lot of money, but at the same time, I don’t want to – it’s only a short time that you have a career, so you want to be at the highest level as long as you can. Obviously, the money isn’t the No. 1 thing.”
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by George E. Ays on Mar 25, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I dont know…..I would ride busses for 6 months to be paid 6.5 million. Plus as he said Europe is in the cards too. I think it will come down to how much he values playing in the Nhl and whether his agent gets something in the works that a Nhl team is ready to sign him if Redden gets his contract voided
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Oh trust me,I’m skeptical. He’s got a newborn daughter and lives in the CT area I believe, so I think Europe is definitely out.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 25, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
If he does that, and he’s willing to take a massive pay cut to get back in the NHL, he could wind up being a pretty good value for a team that needs a veteran D.
by despisethesun on Mar 25, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
He was being healthily scratched when he was still with the Rangers, wasn’t he? Doesn’t that suggest that he’s no longer a legitimate NHL option? I mean, it’s not like they were HSing him for cap reasons.
by sarcasticidealist on Mar 25, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Well Penner was being HS a lot by MacT too. I think thats what his coach was doing instead of an actual kick in the but.
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I think Penner only missed four games as an Oiler – were those healthy scratches? I remember MacTavish skating him on the third line at a time we weren’t exactly flush with offensive talent, but I don’t remember much pressboxing.
by sarcasticidealist on Mar 25, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I know he got scratched at least once, and IIRC it was twice, but he did miss four games, so I guess four is possible.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 25, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
In a similar fashion Redden missed 7 games. I am not sure HS or injury.
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Last year? 5 injury, 2 HS. The HS was just to make a statement after a series of really terrible Redden performances. He was still the 4th-5th best defenseman on the team last year. (and you wonder why they missed the playoffs)
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by George E. Ays on Mar 25, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah thats something what I remembered too…hence my reply 2-3 lines above. When O saw 7 games missed, i thought, my god i dont think he was scratched for that many.
Yeah if the whole nullification and resigning does happen, a team will undoubtedly get a serviceable D man to play in the bottom 4. In NYR his contract prevented justification to him playin in that role.
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healthy scratching is never a great measure of who’s good, but i don’t think redden is anything more than a bottom pairing defenseman at this juncture.
Well, that puts him ahead of Sheldon Souray. Which I suppose he should be, given their respective contracts.
by sarcasticidealist on Mar 25, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This might be the toughest matchup yet. I am actually disappointed to see Boogaard seeded so low.
This really could be a matchup of the “Worst Quotes Made Upon Signing”. Redden’s contract is so bad but theoretically, it was based on the premise that Redden was once a good hockey player. After all, as The Generalissimo told us:
“In our opinion he’s the best first-passer in the game,” Rangers general manager Glen Sather said.
I mean, who wouldnt pay the Best First-Passer in the Game $6.5M? I mean, no one else in the hockey world ever considered Redden that, but thats nitpicking.
Ok, so then compare that to Boogaard’s, which is based on…well lets have The Generalissimo tell us:
“Derek is obviously the biggest and the toughest. I think we needed that presence here,” Sather said. “There was just too many times last year when I saw guys scraping snow into Henrik’s face around the front of the net and I didn’t like it. I don’t think we’re going to see that happen any longer here.”
Makes perfect sense. Nothing stops guys from running your goalie like a slow, lumbering, tough guy who averages 3 minutes a game.
So, in the end, is Redden’s so much more overpriced than his replacement value than Boogaard does over his? Does Boogaard even have replacement value? Can you divide by zero? I guess I’ll go with Redden’s cause its technically more money being wasted.
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I voted Redden just because I don’t think a cap hit of $1.625 million can ever be the worst contract in the game. They could pay me $1.625 million, and it would still be less damaging than a lot of other contracts – more inexplicable, maybe, but less damaging.
Word is that the Oilers matched the Rangers’ offer to Boogard, right?
by sarcasticidealist on Mar 25, 2011 11:34 AM MDT reply actions
Word from the Rangers media shill is that the Oilers matched that offer, but I’m pretty sure that ain’t true.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 25, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Boogard is about $1.65 mil overpaid.
Redden is about $4 mil overpaid.
If I had to take a contract on my team, I’d take Boogaard. He’s a lesser cap (not that it matters) but his $1.65 is a lot easier to tolerate in the minors than Redden’s 6.5
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This is almost undecidable.
Boogaard provides negative value. But I’m pretty sure Redden, were he ever to taste the NHL again, would also provide negative value. Perhaps worse than Boogaard, given that Boogaard plays about ninety seconds a night against crappy players whereas Redden would be expected to play hockey.
On the other hand, right now, as things stand, Redden is buried in the minors. So the actual damage being done to the New York Rangers by his contract is nil.
Ungggggggh.
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by Benjamin Massey on Mar 25, 2011 10:33 PM MDT reply actions
Next year
you might post all 16 first and let folks predict the outcome. though the suspense of awaiting to see if my teams bad contract makes your list is entertaining.
How about the Holik & Kaspiritis contracts? Holik actually played well
for the Rangers, but kept badmouthing both his teammates & mgmnt.
Loved the way Holik crashed th net when he played 4 the Rangers.
Opposing goalies wanted to kill hi much bigger version of Dubinsky-
not quite as tough, but much more physical
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