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(4) Vincent Lecavalier v. (13) Danny Briere

The crushes in round one kept right on coming yesterday with Nikolai Khabibulin destroying Antti Niemi and moving on to face Rick DiPietro in the second round. It will be interesting to see if The Maginot Line can compete with The Stinky Meat Project, but before we get there, we've got the rest of the first round to think about. That continues today with fourth seed Vincent Lecavalier taking on thirteenth seed Danny Briere, two forwards on long-term contracts with no-movement clauses. The case for each player after the jump.

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Vincent Lecavalier

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There is exactly one team in the league paying their third-best forward ten million dollars, and it's not a team spending to the cap. Ouch. Vincent Lecavalier has the seventh highest cap hit in the NHL, and it would probably be fair to characterize the player as an "offense-only" kind of guy. Over the last four seasons, he's generally been among the team leaders in offensive zone starts (both as a sum total and as a percentage of end-zone starts, although that's changed somewhat this season), and hasn't consistently played the best the opposition has to offer. He gets loads of power play time, but hasn't play a big role on the PK in either of the last two years. The result is a player in 14th place in total points since the lockout, which is good, but not really when you're paying him that much and the rest of his game is a bit of a disaster. Oh, and he's turning 31 this April, so the above deal represents his 30 y/o to 39 y/o seasons. Ugly stuff. 

Danny Briere

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The contract is obviously less oppressive than Vinny's, so the question here is whether or not Lecavalier is a much better player than Briere, who's being paid for his 33 y/o to 37 y/o seasons in the above deal. Like Lecavalier, Briere doesn't handle tough minutes and generally gets put in offensive situations - he just doesn't score quite as much, and he's not as durable. Since the lockout, Lecavalier has 199 goals compared to Briere's 157, 454 points to Briere's 363, and 458 games played to Briere's 381. If he look at just the last four years, Lecavalier leads 112 to 100, 271 to 210, and 296 to 252. Is that difference in production enough to offset the extra cost and risk associated with Vinny's deal going forward? That's the question. 

Poll
Which player has a worse contract going forward?
(4) Vincent Lecavalier
267 votes
(13) Danny Briere
81 votes

348 votes | Poll has closed

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i will amazed if Briere gets even 1 vote.

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by poploser on Mar 23, 2011 10:20 AM MDT reply actions  

So how does amazed feel?

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by dawgbone98 on Mar 23, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Considering the last 2 years are the cap reducing retirement years, it breaks down to this (*assumption):

Briere has a cap hit of 6.500 until 2015 and Lecavalier has a cap hit of 7.727 until 2018.

It’s tough… Vinny is more durable which means he’ll probably be able to provide more value over the term of the contract, but at the cost of 3 more years on the deal.

My choice is Vinny’s contract is worse because if I was stuck with both and told I had to keep them until their contract expired, I’d rather have Briere.

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by dawgbone98 on Mar 23, 2011 10:21 AM MDT reply actions  

I doubt Vinny retires. Tampa is likely more concerned with the Cash column anyway, so unless he really falls apart $1.5M and $1M might seem reasonable. If not, they’ll need to buy him out.

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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 23, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Depends on how well he’s holding up I guess.

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by dawgbone98 on Mar 23, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s never been the most dedicated guy throughout his career. I could easily see him retiring a couple years early, if he’s only got that much salary left on his deal.

by Double DD on Mar 23, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only a million dollars. I might be wrong about this, but it strikes me that Vinny will never have a chance to earn that much in a year for the rest of his life. I know the dude is rich already, but if it were me, part of the attraction of the long contract is guaranteeing a longer career.

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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 23, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it will depend on how he feels at that point in time. $1mil is nothing to scoff at, but when you’ve made probably $50 mil (after taxes and other things, it’s a guess), the question is do you want to go through the grind of another full season or do you want to start your retirement.

There’s also a pride thing. If he can’t play as well as he feels he needs to, does he want to keep doing it.

When looking at all of these cap dodging contracts, I think you almost have to assume that the player won’t play the cheap years tacked on at the end.

Hey, I hope they do play them, because maybe it will bite some of these teams in the ass.

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by dawgbone98 on Mar 23, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

What happened?

I dropped in to slag on a couple more goalies, but now you’ve gone and changed the subject to Real hockey players.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Mar 23, 2011 11:06 AM MDT reply actions  

I said in the last post that the goalies were done! That’s why I asked you who you thought had the third worst goalie contract yesterday. I picked Niemi. You would pick…

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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 23, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Stinky Meat Project

I just about choked on my lunch when I read that. Who came up with that nickname for DiPietro?

by TakeoutArtist on Mar 23, 2011 12:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Me!

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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 23, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

How, praytell, did you come up with that?

by TakeoutArtist on Mar 23, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

In my description of DiPietro, I came up with the analogy, which was in my head because of the most wonderful Stinky Meat Project itself.

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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 23, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lecavalier is more than $1.2 million worth of player better than Briere, so I voted for Briere. I realize that Tampa Bay probably hates spending the cash on Vinny, but that’s not because of Vinny’s contract. That’s because Tampa isn’t a hockey market.

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by Benjamin Massey on Mar 23, 2011 1:39 PM MDT reply actions  

except he’s paid 3.5mil more per season for the duration of Briere’s contract.

I know we all like to ignore the money aspect, but I don’t think it’s insifnicant.

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by dawgbone98 on Mar 23, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Especially for a team like Tampa that’s not spending to the cap.

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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 23, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again, “the contract is shitty because the team’s not in a hockey market” doesn’t seem like a viable argument to me. That would be like saying “Evgeni Malkin’s contract is shitty because he’s Pittsburgh’s second-line centre”.

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by Benjamin Massey on Mar 23, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s really analogous. Every team in the league operates on some kind of budget and about half of them have something less than the cap set aside for player salaries, which makes the salary considerations more relevant than the cap considerations for half the teams in the league. Maybe that’s because the NHL is in a lot of “non-hockey markets” but if that’s the case, then that does need to be taken into consideration.

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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 23, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

insignificant…

fuck me running.

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by dawgbone98 on Mar 23, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lecavalier is a sink-hole in terms of possession at ES despite his cushy circumstances. I don’t think I’d take him at half his price.

by Kent Wilson on Mar 24, 2011 8:53 AM MDT reply actions  

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