Trade Deadline Day!
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:49 PM MST
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PrintIt's finally arrived. The trade deadline is here, and the Oilers are sellers once again. Last season, we saw several quality defenders moved along for futures. Steve Staios has missed a good chunk of this season with injuries, but has provided the Calgary Flames with really solid defense from the third pairing when he's been in the lineup. The Oilers have a third round pick this June as his bounty. Lubomir Visnovsky was shuffled off to Anaheim where he's having an absolutely tremendous season taking on the toughs and starting in the defensive zone alongside partner Toni Lydman. The wonderful talent was traded for the now-injured Ryan Whitney and the pick that become Brandon Davidson. Finally Denis Grebeshkov was shuffled off to Nashville in exchange for a second round pick because the Oilers didn't want to give him a qualifying offer. The pick became solid prospect Curtis Hamilton, but Grebeshkov hasn't exactly fallen off the map despite moving to the KHL. He lead SKA defenders in the regular season in points (17 in 54 games) and +/- (his +18 actually lead the whole team) while playing over twenty minutes per game, and helped the club to a four-game sweep in the opening round of the playoffs.
Rebuilding is hard as a fan. Steve Tambellini was widely praised for his work at last year's deadline, and it's not hard to see why. Staios was declining and had another year on his contract, so it was a win to get anything for him. Visnovsky was a magnificent player, but was 33 years old at the time of the trade, and Ryan Whitney is no slouch if he can stay healthy. Finally, if the Oilers had already decided that Grebeshkov wasn't going to be worth a qualifying offer (not a given in my opinion), netting a second round pick for him was the right thing to do. But in the end, there's no question this team was substantially worse this year because of those three moves, and it's very likely that whatever the team does today will make them worse for next season too. I understand that it's part of the plan, but my oh my, it isn't a lot of fun. After the jump, I'll take a look at the seven Oilers most likely to be moved.
Update: Shawn Belle Traded for Kevin Montgomery
Update: Dustin Penner Traded for Colton Teubert and Picks (1st in 2011 and Conditional 3rd in 2012)
Ladislav Smid - There's an awful lot of smoke here, and considering Smid is a third pairing defender with absolutely no offense to speak of, I'm actually a little bit perplexed at what seems to be a high level of interest. If Steve Tambellini can add an "A" level prospect (Jon Blum from Nashville has been mentioned before and certainly fits that category), I think the trade gets done.
Jim Vandermeer - I'm extremely confident that he'll be moved along today, and I'm hoping for a fourth round pick or better. On the one hand, it seems ridiculous to think Jim Vandermeer when a guy like Craig Rivet can pass through waivers (he was claimed on re-entry). On the other hand, Vandermeer is a tough customer with an expiring contract, and exactly the kind of guy who gets moved along on days like today.
Ryan Jones - I think he's done in Edmonton. Hockey people can be stubborn, but hopefully Steve Tambellini has learned something from the Gilbert Brule situation and moves Jones along. I'd be quite happy with a third round pick or an A- prospect, and given his goalscoring this year that doesn't seem at all out of the question.
Andrew Cogliano - Playing the young man with Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle just looks a bit too much like a pump and dump to think he won't get moved. Admittedly, his play over the last few games has been mostly "dump" but I do still like the player, and would likely be holding out for a better return than most, either a first round pick or "A" prospect.
Kurtis Foster - There's a good chance he moves along, but it's no sure thing. He's got that extra year on his contract, which could scare off a lot of teams (it would scare me off), but the asking price should be extremely low, so he might get moved. I'd be satisfied with future considerations, but I'm hoping for a seventh rounder.
Ales Hemsky - I think there's a pretty good chance that he'll get moved along, and a very good chance that I won't like it when it happens. There are exactly thirty-one players (min. 200 games) with a better points-per-game rate than Hemsky from 2005-06 to the present. He's a star, and he's got another year on his contract. I don't think he should be moved for anything less than an overpay, which to me looks like a young roster player, an A+ prospect, and top pick. The Los Angeles Kings have been mentioned frequently, so for me that would look something like Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and their first round pick. It's probably too much, and that's fine with me because I'm happy to keep Hemsky in Edmonton. I think Steve Tambellini will be willing to take less.
Dustin Penner - He's been traded once already, so you know the willingness is there. I'd be calling on close to the same price for Penner as I did for Hemsky, but I think he's less likely to get it. Minnesota has apparently been in the mix here, so that might look like Guillaume Latendresse (or preferably Nick Schultz if he's available), Mikael Granlund, and their first round pick. Again, probably too much, and again, I'm fine with that. I think Steve Tambellini will take less, but the offers for Penner probably don't get high enough to pull the trigger.
Of course, with a rebuilding team, nearly everyone is in play, so we could eaily see someone not listed moved along too. The sad part is that if any of these trades are made, the team will be at least a little bit worse in the immediate future. It sure will be fun when deadline day makes the team better.
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sportsnet is the worst in its coverage. Doug Maclean might just be the worst out there. This including Mcguire and milbury
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
Sportsnet is unwatchable. It’s like the ECHL of sports networks. Or the UHL.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
I’ve been told Nashville is shopping prospects Ryan Ellis and Austin Watson
Ryan Kennedy
If i were a betting man, i think Nashville are cutting losses and I have serious doubts as to either being able to become an impact player
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
Not particularly interested in Austin Watson, but Ryan Ellis has a tonne of offense. He’s also a righty, which I usually think of as a plus. He’s a guy I’d take a look at for sure.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 8:47 AM MST up reply actions
justin williams contract seems a lot of money to me
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The price doesn’t seem out of line to me for what he provides now, but the term is risky. Age 30 to 33 is often a period of decline, and given his injury history, I don’t think the Kings are better than 50/50 to get value in the last year of the deal. He should be pretty good value on that contract for at least a couple of seasons though, and it’s likely a better deal than what they could get through free agency in the summer.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
I’d be pretty surprised if they end up doing nothing. Vandermeer is moving if anyone wants him, and Jones is likely either moving or getting a contract extension.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions
yeah but… who wants em?
Vandermeer and Jones aren’t exactly beat-down-the-door-with-offers players, there are much much better options to other teams… we know that Richards wants to go to New York and we know that we aren’t getting Schenn (or really anything worth it) in return from anything we gift wrap for LA… this deadline is looking like a wash out for Edmonton
by Bananahammer on Feb 28, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions
I think they’ll move for small potatoes, but I think they’ll move. If the Oilers make a big (ish) move, I think Smid’s the guy to go. There’s been a lot talk around him by the folks “in the know”, and there’s really no reason for it unless there’s some fire there.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 8:57 AM MST up reply actions
Atl resigns stuart 3 years 1.7 per. i love this deal and he was one of the guys i would hv wanted oilers to sign come july 1
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Love this deal? It’s Mark friggin’ Stuart. He’s worth 800-1M
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Really nice move from the Panthers to get Bergfors for Dvorak. Bergfors has the best Corsi (and Relative Corsi) rate on the Thrashers despite a lot of defensive zone starts, and taking the tough minutes (one of the top two Thrashers in each of QC categories). I like Dvorak, but that’s a terrible trade by Atlanta.
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Atlanta has now traded off both of their best tough minutes forwards.
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At least they still have Ladd… until the summer.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 8:55 AM MST up reply actions
Trade Peverley and Bergford and sign Stuart to twice what he’s worth. Dudley makes Tambellini look better.
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by Derek Zona on Feb 28, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
To what extent does supporting the Barons’ playoff push factor into this? The organisation has been keen to see success on the farm this year. If Smid, Vandermeer and Foster are sent away for picks, then callups from OC will hit the Barons hard just when their season hits a critical phase. I’m just wondering if this has any impact on Tambellini’s thinking? Then again, I’m also wondering if Tambellini is capable of thinking in any meaningful sense.
I don’t think we’ll see all three go (if they do, it would hurt OKC for sure), but two is a real possibility, and if two leave, I don’t think the impact on the Barons will be too bad. They’ve been sitting Belle in OKC the last while to get Stortini in the lineup because of the veteran rule (they’re saying he’s a bit dinged up, but he was playing before Stortini got there), so the Oilers can call on Belle (or Helmer) without hurting the Barons much at all. And then it depends what they get back. If a young defender like Blum comes back, then the impact on OKC would be pretty minimal even if two of the Oilers’ defenders roll out the door.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
TSN just seriously listed Staios and Kostopoulos as trade bait when recapping the flames.
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trade trade
Washington get Wideman!
I think that is a solid trade for Caps
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Yeah, they didn’t give up much at all, and Wideman is a very solid player. I’m surprised the Panthers couldn’t get more, but the market is what it is.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Didn’t they trade Horton for Wideman? I saw Horton pretty good just last night.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
The 15th OV was likely the key piece with Wideman balancing the salaries. But yeah, that trade didn’t look too good at the time and doesn’t look too good now.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
Wow Det gave Jimmy Howard a lot of money
Did not expect tht from Det.
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Two years at $2.25M per seems pretty reasonable to me. Howard’s not great, but his EV Sv% is .922 on over 3,000 career shots. I think they can be pretty confident that they’ve got an average goalie on their hands, and that’s not a bad price for average goaltending.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
ATL solves tough-minutes issue by claiming Robbie Schremp on waivers
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 10:04 AM MST reply actions 5 recs
Mike Milbury unveils his true expertise. How to forget about a bad move and move on to the next one.
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Dale Tallon has now traded:
Michael Frolik, Dennis Wideman, Radek Dvorak, Alexander Salak, Bryan McCabe, Cory Stillman and a 5th round pick
for
Niclas Bergfors, Jack Skille, Patrick Rissmiller, Tim Kennedy, Hugh Jessiman, David Pacan, Jake Hauswirth, a 3rd round pick, a 3rd round pick and a 5th round pick
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by Derek Zona on Feb 28, 2011 10:34 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
You’re right, that does bear repeating.
You managed to find another team with even more questionable management skills than Oilers.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
But he ripped off Dudley, so at least we have a clearly established pecking order.
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Yeah, but a lot of those trades aren’t really all that bad. Selling off McCabe, Stillman, Wideman, and Dvorak made good sense. He didn’t get great value for any of the first three, but got phenomenal value for Dvorak. The Frolik deal was deplorable, but it’s the only really bad apple in the bunch (unless you go back further).
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
Plus he picked up Huge Specimen. What’s not to like?
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
Why would selling Wideman make sense?
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I don’t know what Florida’s budget is, but it’s definitely going to be less than the cap, and it seems to me that $4.5M is pretty expensive for Dennis Wideman. They dumped a salary that they didn’t want and got a pick back. Doesn’t seem too bad to me.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
Czech Mate
Assumptions
-Penner gets moved
-the SE Division saw Foster damn good last year
Is Foster to Florida for Olesz a good idea?
For both teams?
Salary dump for FLA, Big Body Presence for the Oil leftwing
Oil fans will hate that deal. Olesz doesn’t score or hit. I’d love it though.
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Olesz is done for the year with
Olesz is done for the year with a knee injury.
This might be the first trade deadline ever that I’m hoping the Oilers do absolutely nothing rather than anything.
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Agreed. There could be some good small moves to be made, but the potential for a calamity of epic proportions is certainly there. I simply start squirming when I remember that LoweIQ said there is a 6-year timeline in play. If that is the mindset of the management then Hemsky and/or Penner will be gone and I will switch to watching curling for the next couple of seasons.
It’s a pretty solid sign that Oilers management scares us all to death when we’d rather see nothing than something. I have almost zero faith that any move involving Penner or Hemsky could be a win for this team so keep the trades to the Vandermeer’s and Jones’ of the world. Even if it’s a bad trade it won’t be the end of the world.
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The bizarre part is how they’ve managed to get the fanbase charged up about trading their two best players. What other fanbase would be begging for a trade like this?
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Curling’s a wonderful sport but can be a bit tedious to watch at times (and this coming from one who plays).
by TakeoutArtist on Feb 28, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Tedious curling will be a welcome relief in comparison to watching the Oilers sucking for another couple of years if they trade away Hemmer and Penner.
The Brier starts Saturday. Way more entertaining than more Oiler losses.
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Yep, should have a lot of entertaining matchups, it seems all the heavyweights will be there. Personally I’m hoping Pat Simmons can pull off a miracle and make it a clean sweep for Saskatchewan.
by TakeoutArtist on Feb 28, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
That would be something to see. Sask hasn’t won a Brier in forever so they’re due I guess.
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If I were a betting man I’d put my money on Kevin Martin, though. His team seems to be an unstoppable juggernaut right now.
by TakeoutArtist on Feb 28, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
Curling talk is a good sign that deadline day has not lived up to the hype.
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Welcome to trade deadline day in the salary cap era.
by TakeoutArtist on Feb 28, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
The Scottie’s final last night was a crackerjack. Outstanding game.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
You and a whole lot of people. That “neutral” Charlottetown crowd during the Jones-Overton game was something else. They really got up for the PEI-Canada game too, and I got the sense they were pulling for SK last night. Interesting that Jones lost all three of those games where the crowd was loudest.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
Koe’s not there because Ontario just has to have that second spot that no other province gets. But then again, who would want to see the defending world champion?
It is a pretty ridiculous system. That they’ve got it right on the women’s side only makes it stupider.
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Favourite comments from the T(oronto)SN broadcast of the Scotties:
“You can’t get rid of Northern Ontario now, Jacobs is just coming into his own!” (Tell that to Koe);
“Which team would you get rid of if there’s a Team Canada?”
So, let Jacobs come into his own in Ontario.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
The “defending world champion” a.k.a. “the Saville Centre’s B Team”.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
I had the same feelings in 2007.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
The buzz on TSN tradecenter says LA and EDM are on the verge of a deal. Something tells me we may not like it.
Massive trade. Changes the face of the organization.
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Let’s hope this tied up Tambellini’s time for the entire morning.
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Shoring things up for the OKC playoff run.
by TakeoutArtist on Feb 28, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=91867
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
Allen to Carolina for Samsonov and a pick. Dale Tallon is selling everything
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its going to be pretty much an Ahl team…looks like Tallon wants in on the top pick action
he is putting pressure on ST
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Who’s left to play on their blue line? Seems safe to put them in the bottom 5 in the spot the Devils are occupying right now.
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agreed…
Now they have a spot for Gudbranson fr sure
Poor FLa fans this season could have gone either way. They could have been a good team real soon
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Dale Tallon has now traded:
Michael Frolik, Dennis Wideman, Radek Dvorak, Alexander Salak, Bryan McCabe, Cory Stillman, Marty Reasoner and a 5th round pick
for
Niclas Bergfors, Jack Skille, Patrick Rissmiller, Tim Kennedy, Hugh Jessiman, David Pacan, Jake Hauswirth, a 3rd round pick, a 3rd round pick, 3rd round pick and a 5th round pick
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he's kept weaver
he’s apparently not totally daft.
by Passive Voice on Feb 28, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
Defensemen left on Florida’s roster: Dmitry Kulikov, Mike Weaver, Jason Garrison, and Alexander Sulzer. Combined NHL GP: 669.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
Yep. Trade Mike Weaver!
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
How in the world did Bryan Allen get a NTC?
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Shawn Belle article is up.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:14 PM MST reply actions
scott, do you ever preach the gospel in non-gamethread situations?
by Passive Voice on Feb 28, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
Generally not, but I’ve done a couple of situation-specific articles. If the Canucks win the Stanley Cup, I promise to write one up. You might not like it though.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
i assume
you’ll announce your conversion to buddhism
by Passive Voice on Feb 28, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
I think in the off-chance the Canucks actually won the Cup Scott would write Revelations 23.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 28, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
Justifying God in the face of evil, defeat, and suffering is pretty big in the Bible. If they can explain the whole messiah dying thing away, I can explain a Canucks victory away. Thankfully, I know that God would never let that happen. Right, God!?
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
40 years in the desert...
…it’s our time to be led to the promised land, no?
That only works if you’re the chosen people, and if you’ve been reading here for awhile, you should know whether or not you’re the chosen people.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
Fair enough. The Oil faithful are paying a pretty heavy price for being chosen with the dynasty of the 80s. Hard to believe Penner went without a roster player coming back…
LA has cornered the market on Dustins, it seems.
Steve Tambellini failed. He is Jezebel sent from Canuckland. I can hardly wait for Jehu’s arrival.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
Unless you mean actually preaching the gospel, in which case, most definitely!
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
Nah, I live in Vancouver (hence my feelings on the Canucks), and don’t actually do all that much preaching.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Penner gone to Kings. Now I want that GDT tonight, Scott.
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Yeah, Teubert’s a good player to get back. Plus some nice picks. But he’s still not an NHLer yet. This team just got much, much worse next year, barring some big moves in free agency.
by despisethesun on Feb 28, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Since I’ve already got it done, Teubert did well against tough comp last season on a terrible team. Optimism!
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I was going off of his track record in Regina. I haven’t really followed him since he stepped up to Manchester. I don’t think the Oilers got fleeced by any means on this deal (though I’d still say they lost it), but it basically means that the Oilers have no plans to compete next year either. Teubert might turn into a good NHL shutdown defenceman in the long run, but he’s not there now.
by despisethesun on Feb 28, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
What? I wouldn’t do that unless they threw in a dozen maple glazed donuts as well.
by OilLeak on Feb 28, 2011 12:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Let’s go Oil Kings! clap clap clapclapclap Let’s go Oil Kings! clap clap clapclapclap
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I bet that man requested the trade! Bad in the room!
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
FATTY’S GONNA HAVE TROUBLE BREATHING THAT LA AIR
/trade justified
by Passive Voice on Feb 28, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
i cant believe how much people are rejoicing right now!
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After the St. Louis game, I sat next to a guy on the LRT saying he hoped the Oilers could get two bags of pucks for Penner. If I would have had two bags of pucks handy, I would have savagely beaten this man with them.
by despisethesun on Feb 28, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
you should have called the guy “two bags of fuck”, and then sat there the rest of the trip with a really smug smile.
by Passive Voice on Feb 28, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
Hey, there are only so many gritty defensemen with hand problems* around. Gotta snap them up when you can.
*(I have no idea if this was clever or not, but I hate to see Penner go, especially for something that’s not a sure thing.)
by eddy the lip on Feb 28, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
Apparently his teammates were absolutely livid about him stealing all the complementary donuts after games. Something had to give.
Apparently, they had to stop giving out ice cream sandwiches to the media too. As soon as Penner sensed their presence, they were as good as gone.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
Hey guys! Ryan Potulny got traded! Biggest deal of the day!
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:32 PM MST reply actions
Well in other news Ty Conklin clears waivers, really surprised that he wouldn’t get picked up by someone.
by OilLeak on Feb 28, 2011 12:44 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Anyone check on Derek lately? His head might have exploded with rage from the Penner deal.
by OilLeak on Feb 28, 2011 12:51 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I’ll have a GDT up tonight. Seriously.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
Between the Oilers , Kings, and Oil Kings it’s about to get very confusing about who I’m cheering for on any given night.
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by ryanbatty on Feb 28, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Penner, actually seems sincere in his time spent in Edmonton.
by OilLeak on Feb 28, 2011 1:05 PM MST via mobile reply actions
“They were the best of times, they were the worst of times” – Dustin Penner reflects on his stay in Edmonton.
Too bad, well liked by the players and a hell of player.
by OilLeak on Feb 28, 2011 1:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
On the other hand we’ll get to see Penner play with some quality linemates after being saddled with the cogliano and brule for so long.
by OilLeak on Feb 28, 2011 1:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
EAT SHIT AND DIE TAMBELLINI YOU CANDLE-SNIFFING FUCK FENCE
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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 28, 2011 1:12 PM MST reply actions
I want to rape Tambellini’s urethra with Steve MacIntyre.
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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 28, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Terry Jones:
Dustin Penner cost Oilers a first, second and third pick to get him. Essentially they’re getting two firsts and a third back.
WOW!!!!! seriously…..so this makes it ok
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
No it doesn’t make it ok, but it is a great return for Penner. Are we worse today? Absolutely. How will this trade work out long term, too soon to tell.
by OilLeak on Feb 28, 2011 1:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
No it’s not. If you keep trading good players for players who you hope will be good someday, you will never be good.
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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 28, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Good thing I got my season seat renewal in the mail on Saturday. Wouldn’t want to miss another exciting season of lottery pick hockey.
Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.
Very true. It may have been different if we were getting a true top-end prospect, or a guy who has shown he’s ‘right’ there (like Petry), but Tuebert isn’t that far ahead of Plante and that isn’t near close enough to what we needed when it comes to building a team.
Again and Again and Again this team puts ALL the risk on itself. Not a great trade AT ALL.
by Jaysen Knight on Feb 28, 2011 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
lots of people are happy that we are getting back cap space too!!! makes this all soo right….Cause thats wht we need to win…cap space
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
We can sign a defenseman who we’ll bury in the AHL, or possibly a sub-replacement-level goalie.
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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 28, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
I’m not really convinced that he’s ahead of Plante.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I had a page long rebuttal, but decided against it. Penner is great, and will be a great player in LA. Good luck Penner, you will be missed on this team.
by OilLeak on Feb 28, 2011 1:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Please do. I want to feel better.
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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 28, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed. You need to trade hockey players for hockey players at some point. If Erik Johnson and Chris Stewart can be traded, then we know those deals can be done.
If Hemsky gets traded this summer, it better be for hockey players and not picks or prospects that are as far away from playing meaningful NHL minutes than Teubert is.
Exactly. You won’t hit your gamble every time.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
By absolutely every account, Dustin Penner loved Edmonton. He got on great with his teammates, he thought the city was great. If this team was so incompetent that Tambellini blew that into Penner refusing to re-sign, he’s even stupider than this trade makes him look.
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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 28, 2011 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
Well, there’s some chance that he would have been playing elsewhere, but there’s also some chance that none of the assets they gained today turn into a top level player. There’s risk either way, and given the information available to me (i.e. it seems like there was a real chance of Penner staying), I think they made the wrong choice.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
David staples with a gem:
If you had to move Penner for just OK picks and prospects, why not do it next trading deadline?
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
Gem by Mark Spector
At this stage of rebuild, CAN NOT have enough prospects.
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
What stage exactly is the rebuild in? I only ask because I’m trying to figure out of the Avs are one step ahead or one step behind…
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
The Oilers are in the stage called “walking in circles”.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
that’s what happens when one foot is shorter than the other.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
Kings pick (assuming it is 15-20th overall)
ISS rankings: 15 to 25. Who do you like?
15. Musil, David, LD 4/9/93 L 6.03.5 200 Vancouver WHL
16. Grimaldi, Rocco, C 2/8/93 R 5.06 163 USA Under-18 USHL
17. Catenacci, Daniel, C 3/9/93 L 5.09.25 180 S.S. Marie OHL
18. Bell, Myles, RD 8/19/93 R 6.00 209 Regina WHL
19. Jaskin, Dmitri, RW 3/23/93 L 6.01 196 Slavia CzeJr
20. McNeill, Mark, C 2/22/93 R 6.01 204 Prince Albert WHL
21. Rattie, Ty, LW 2/5/93 R 5.11 170 Portland WHL
22. Jacobs, Colin, F 1/20/93 R 6.01 205 Seattle WHL
23. Mayfield, Scott, RD 10/14/92 R 6.03.5 197 Youngstown USHL
24. Rask, Victor, C 3/1/93 L 6.01.5 194 Leksands SweAl
25. Oleksiak, Jamie (Fr.) *, LD 12/21/92 L 6.07 244 Northeastern H.E.
Musil, Bell, Mayfield, and Rask seem interesting to me
I like the gas chamber.
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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 28, 2011 1:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
look fr Rask/ Catenacci to fall
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
Nice if Rask fell to 31. Could be our 2011 Pitlick.
McNeill would be another good choice, Lots of hustle even if the skills aren’t quite as high end as the rest. Also has good size, which the Oilers are going to need.
also that Mika Zibanejad might be one to look out for and Joel Armia!!
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
Hadn’t heard of Armia before, but if this is accurate:
A Rising Star
Joel Armia’s name has been rising on the top prospect ranking lists after he took everyone by surprise with his breakthrough to professional hockey in one of the premier hockey leagues in the whole world. Most experts would rank the Finnish Elite League in the top-5, perhaps even top-3 of the world’s professional hockey leagues. In comparison to the AHL, it would be fair to say that the level of play in the Finnish Elite League is either equal or a bt higher. Furthermore, FEL is perhaps the one among European hockey leagues that most resembles NHL by its style of play. During the summer break, there was a good deal of speculation among the fans of Armia’s team (Assat Pori) concerning his chances to play regularly with the elite league team. The dominant opinion seemed to be that Armia will definitely get a chance to play some games with the team, and perhaps even establish a semi-regular spot in the team’s 4th line. For a 17-year-old kid, this would be a great achievement – after all, the great majority of his peers would spend at least two more seasons playing mostly with their junior teams. But no one would have been able to predict the huge leap forward that Armia made in his development. With more than half of the regular season’s games played already, Armia has established his place as the right winger of Assat’s first line. After 28 games, he has 11 goals and 7 assists, which makes him the #1 goal scorer of his team and #12 in the whole league.
What Type of a Player is Joel Armia?
While it is not the purpose of this article to present a full scouting report, it may be useful to briefly characterize Joel Armia as a player. Joel is very skilled with the puck and is also willing to put his skills to good use where others might hesitate. He quite often manages to make the opposing team’s defensemen look foolish. Combine this with his very solid ability to score goals and you can see that this right-shooting winger has the makings of a superstar. Being 6 feet and 4 inches tall at the age of seventeen, Armia has the size to become a power forward. But he may not assume that exact description during his career simply because it would not do justice to his great skill. Armia has no real weaknesses as a player. His physical strength is still developing, just as it is with any other player of his age. But even now, he has moved past the point where this would in any way be hindrances to his success, even playing as he does as a youngster among adults. In fact, he is already perfectly able to take part in the physical side of the game.
Yeah, what this team needs is a skilled player with size! If we’re lucky, maybe even someone who could play on the team’s top line :|
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 28, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
If the Oilers and the kings were trading lunches, Teubert would be the raisins that the kings don’t even like.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
by dawgbone98 on Feb 28, 2011 1:46 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
No on Vandermeer because he has borderline Staios-ian value this season and everybody saw how well that worked out for Calgary last time.
No on Jones because, actually, if there wasn’t much value out there for him I’d be fine with keeping the tubthumper. Obviously he’s not as good as the goals total makes him look but he’s not bad, exactly.
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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 28, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
Nope. I’d be surprised if Jones got less than 7 figures per year and less than 3 years on his next contract though.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
Given that he makes $975 K now, seven figures doesn’t seem like much of a stretch.
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