The Trade Deadline Approaches - Discuss Rumors, Ideas, Thoughts Here

by Derek Zona on Feb 27, 2011 10:04 PM MST

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With the NHL Silly Season already under way (Thanks Brian Burke!), the trade deadline is going to be much less significant compared to previous years. However the significant trades already executed have created a combination of desperation and panic in the Oilers fan base - they clamor for a deal, any deal so that the Oilers are not left out.

Steve Tambellini helped to feed the beast by placing Sheldon Souray on re-entry waivers yesterday, but the rumor mongers are reveling in what is to come.

Here's an open post to discuss anything you'd like concerning the Oilers and roster movement heading towards February 28th.

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Hemsky's Price

via Rob Rossi

Pens source says asking price for Hemsky is huge.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 20, 2011 11:08 AM MST reply actions

Hemsky's price

via Rob Rossi

At least a first round pick plus a roster player plus

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by Derek Zona on Feb 20, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions

http://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug

WSH may well be interested in Hemsky. According to Rishaug it sounds like WSH would hesitate to include either Alzner or Carlson.

WSH has some pretty decent prospects, there may well be enough common ground to make a deal even without one of those two involved.

by hockeysymposium on Feb 20, 2011 11:14 AM MST reply actions

There’s nothing in that system that interests me as a return for Hemsky besides the two dmen Washington won’t move.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 20, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions

I’d be pretty pissed off if the Caps traded either Carlson or Alzner for Hemsky, even as good as he is. The kids have been getting matched with the top line players (as in, aggressively matched with Sidney Crosby against PIT) since about November. They don’t get the hardest zone starts, but they do get the guys like Crosby and Staal. All the Caps D with the exception of Hannan are clustered tightly around 50% zone start. Carlson and Alzner have a positive expected zone shift, a rarity on the Caps. They also have the highest QComp numbers and Carlson is a significantly positive Corsi Rel player in spite of all that, while Alzner is hovering near zero.

These kids are good. They’re both under cost-control for a long time. I see why the Oil want them, but I don’t see them coming back the other way, especially with the paucity of D prospects in the cupboard. There’s really Orlov, then nothing.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 20, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions

I’d be pretty pissed off if the Caps traded either Carlson or Alzner for Hemsky, even as good as he is.

I can see why, and you can see why I don’t think this will happen. Washington has no need to trade those two when they could go get someone else for much less. There are so many forwards, though of lesser value than Hemsky, available right now, trading a kid like Alzner or Carlson makes no sense.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 20, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions

Scouts claim Washington Capitals GM George McPhee is shopping Alexander Semin in hopes of improving his team.

—Spector

I will be so happy if GMGM replaces Semin with Hemsky.

Derek: not Kuznetsov? Johansson? Fehr?

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by red army line on Feb 20, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions

Derek: not Kuznetsov? Johansson? Fehr?

Nope. Why replace a great forward with a forward who might someday be good?

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by Derek Zona on Feb 20, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions

6-8 yrs of cost control/value contracts versus 2?

by red army line on Feb 20, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions

Sure, if the players were NHL ready to take on at least seconds or were the highest of high end prospects.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 20, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions

I don’t know how ready Kuznetsov is, but one could argue he is a high end prospect. His KHL scoring numbers appear to be pretty good, with 32 pts in 44 games.

Then again, I’m not sure it matters how ready he is since I believe he’s under KHL contract for one more season. Not sure on that though, I could be confusing that with Tarasenko’s contract status.

by hockeysymposium on Feb 20, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions

Kuznetsov either signed an extension for two years or is in negotiations, I believe. Since the WJC he’s been getting more ice time (at least, so I’ve been told) and has been on fire (relative to his boxcars from before the WJC).

by red army line on Feb 20, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions

‘Round about election time, he was getting a hair shy of 12 minutes of ice a game and 2nd on his team in forward scoring. He’s been closer to 20 minutes since the WJC and is near a point-per-game since then. Some of that is undoubtedly luck, but Kuz looks like a player. Here’s hoping he doesn’t Radulov.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 20, 2011 3:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

I figure if there’s one team in the world that has a hope of retaining russian talent, it’s the caps.

by Passive Voice on Feb 21, 2011 12:42 AM MST up reply actions

I wonder how much of the $9.525 cap hit is for that sole reason. GMGM does mention it like it matters.

by red army line on Feb 21, 2011 7:28 AM MST up reply actions

Heh, sometimes I think if you were an NHL GM other GMs would hate you, but vote for you for GM of the Year nonetheless.

by red army line on Feb 20, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions

Why would they hate me?

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by Derek Zona on Feb 26, 2011 8:13 AM MST up reply actions

I think you’re right, by the way.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 26, 2011 8:13 AM MST up reply actions

Tough to please, and no doubt you’d have more than what they think is your fair share of rip-off trades. Zona vs Shero, that’s be a treat to watch.

by red army line on Feb 26, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions

Penner, Hemsky, Eberle, Pitlick, 2011 1st, 2012 1st, conditional 2013 1st (if Penner doesn't re-sign), conditional 2014 1st (if Hemsky doesn't re-sign)

for Kopitar and Brown.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Feb 20, 2011 11:47 AM MST reply actions

What in the world?

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by Derek Zona on Feb 20, 2011 4:05 PM MST up reply actions

In which direction?

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Feb 20, 2011 6:12 PM MST up reply actions

It’s the rare trade that everybody loses, but Edmonton loses most of all.

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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 21, 2011 1:40 PM MST up reply actions

Quisp, do you live on Fantasy Island?

by TakeoutArtist on Feb 22, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions

Just curious – the idea was floated over at The Cannon – would Jake Voracek be a player of interest in a deal for Hemsky?

Also, what are the chances that Tom Gilbert or Ryan Whitney would be available?

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by Matt Wagner on Feb 20, 2011 2:52 PM MST reply actions

Oh baby. There are so many Oilers fans who are still bitter at the Gagner pick rather than Voracek.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 20, 2011 4:14 PM MST up reply actions

Not much separates the two even now!

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by SumOil on Feb 20, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions

Voracek’s numbers aren’t all that impressive given his shielding.

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by Knee high to a duck on Feb 20, 2011 5:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions

Hemsky

Man, I love that player. I hope that he stays put.

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by Brett Gee on Feb 21, 2011 4:11 AM MST reply actions

I mean...

Did you see where he put that puck on that first goal against the Canadians? Behind the defenseman for a screen shot. Great, creative, smart stuff.

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by Brett Gee on Feb 21, 2011 4:26 AM MST up reply actions

OK apparently Dallas is open to trading Neal and are discussing with Pittsburgh
If ST can snag him, I will be damn bloody happy

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by SumOil on Feb 21, 2011 9:31 AM MST reply actions

anyone have Neal+ for Alex fucking Goligoski?

by Passive Voice on Feb 21, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs

OMG they did it

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by SumOil on Feb 21, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions

With the deal Dallas saves $3.75M in cash for next season, and a much smaller amount this season. That’s about the only positive I see in this deal for them, but maybe Goligoski is better than I think.

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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 21, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions

Given that you're a pretty smart guy,

Unless you think Goligoski is Matt Carkner, I don’t see how he’s better than what you think.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 21, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions

goligoski is a glorified third pairing d man
But Neal is a solid top 6 forward who is a very good Power forward

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by SumOil on Feb 21, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions

Agreed 100%. Niskanen, for all Dallas fans hate him, is equally capable of 3rd pair minutes. Neal replaces the offensive difference + some.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 21, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions

From WG’s post over at lowetide’s
“Goligoski has 31 points this year.
14 at 5v5, 17 at 5v4

He doesn’t even have the best PP numbers for a Dman on PITT, that is Letang, who plays more minutes on the PP and has more pts/60 than Goligoski.

His underlying numbers are:

ZoneStarts: 1/6 – Easiest on team 57.7. Ozone finish 52.7 2/6. So while the play finishes in the Ozone 5% less than it starts when he is on the ice. Not good.

Corsi QC 4/6
Corsi QT 6/6
RelCor 3/6 +3.8

So he plays the 2nd pairing QC with the dregs and comes out slightly ahead, but with the benefit of one of the easiest zone starts in the league.

A rich man’s Marc Andre Bergeron."

To add to that he is 5/6 rel corsi Qoc

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by SumOil on Feb 21, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs

The Zoneshift numbers are misleading. You expect everyone to regress about 70% toward even, so Goligoski’s expected ZF is 52.3%, which he’s actually beating by a tinge. That said, he’s a power play specialist who might be able to handle second minutes in the future, which means, in terms of the talent switching teams, this is a very poor trade for Dallas.

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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 21, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions

Malkin in play?

Would the pens take Hemsky and Penner for Malkin with conditional picks in both directions? Perhaps with a sweetener for Pittsburgh, and something for the Oil as health insurance?
It would be a big uplift for playoff bound Pittsburgh in the short term, and accelerate the Oilers rebuilding plans. Capwise it’d be a wash, and next season Sid would finally have some decent wingers. Bigger gamble for the Oil, but a serious chance to jump start things if Gino bounces back.

by :p on Feb 21, 2011 11:29 AM MST reply actions

stay the fuck away, tambo

by Passive Voice on Feb 21, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions

Even if Malkin wanted to come here, I wouldn’t do it.

by TakeoutArtist on Feb 22, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions

The Wild are rumored to have entered the hunt for Penner… what do you guys think it would (realisticaly) take?

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by JSLandry on Feb 25, 2011 11:34 AM MST reply actions

I think part of whatever deal is made would have to include Brunette, just so he stops scoring against us.

Joking aside, I’m not all that familiar with the depth in Minnesota’s organization so I would have a tough time throwing names out.

by TakeoutArtist on Feb 25, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions

If I were managing the Oilers, I’d be looking for a significant roster player under control for at least as long as Penner, a very good prospect, and a first round pick. It’s a high price, but the Oilers really don’t need to move Penner at all right now. To be honest, I’d rather they sign him than move him. Anyroad, from the Wild, that formula could look something like Guillaume Latendresse (or preferably Nick Schultz if he’s deemed expendable), Mikael Granlund and their 2011 first rounder.

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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 25, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions

I have to say...

If the Wild accepted what you just threw out there, I would have to jump off a bridge. Granlund is basically untouchable and G-Lat is pretty much a lesser form of Penner (for now). We’ve got Kobasew on the block, but we’ve been wondering if P-M Bouchard could be trade material here. There would very likely also be a prospect and/or a pick, but G-Lat and Granlund would be insane.

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by JSLandry on Feb 25, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions

G-Lat is pretty much a lesser form of Penner (for now).

Latendresse is a lesser form of Dustin Penner like Zack Stortini is a lesser form of Ales Hemsky.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 26, 2011 7:59 AM MST up reply actions

What I meant by that..

Is that they play the same style of hockey. Both are big hulking power forwards and Latendresse has 30+ goal potential after notching 25 in 55 games last year. Of course, we can’t confirm yet if this was the true Latendresse or not, but before we do, we can assume he has that potential. The reason I said ‘’for now’’ is because he’s not quite at Penner’s level stat-wise yet, but he probably could be.

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by JSLandry on Feb 26, 2011 9:00 AM MST up reply actions

No no Derek gets your point. What he is saying in an exaggerated way is that Penner drives the play on his line while Latandresse is more of a complementary player.
Furthermore he has been scoring at a very good sh% since joining the wild and its highly likely that it wont be sustainable

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by SumOil on Feb 26, 2011 9:17 AM MST up reply actions

Ah I see

He threw me off by comparing a scrapper to a playmaker :P

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by JSLandry on Feb 26, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions

you know listenign to bob Mckenzie on Wednesday, it did not look like GMs value Penner as much as we do. It doesnt matter how wrong they are if they are the ones making the decisions.
I will be highly disappointed if we dont get a significantly better package than the one Preds gave up for Fisher

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by SumOil on Feb 26, 2011 8:51 AM MST up reply actions

Then you don’t trade him. You either get an overpay, or you don’t make a trade. At least, that’s my opinion. The advantage of listening to offers when the guy has an extra year on his deal is that you can just keep him.

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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 26, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs

Exactly. Even though the fanbase is rabid about wanting a deal, don’t move him unless full value comes back.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 26, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions

I am with you guys on that one. My point simply is that If Penner is traded, we are almost certainly going to be disappointed with the return

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by SumOil on Feb 26, 2011 9:14 AM MST up reply actions

What if ti were something along the lines of Clutterbuck + 2011 1st + a mid-level prospect?

by shau_co on Feb 26, 2011 8:31 AM MST up reply actions

or actually even just Clutterbuck + something would be decent value for the Oil… I didn’t realize Clutterbuck already has 18 goals.

by shau_co on Feb 26, 2011 8:34 AM MST up reply actions

Tambellini for a GM who will fix the Oilers many deficiencies rather than sit on his hands all season.

by ChitownOilers on Feb 26, 2011 8:20 AM MST reply actions

He is fixing the team, by waiting on another lottery pick.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 26, 2011 8:33 AM MST up reply actions

reports keep coming of Stephen Wiess being available and Toronto’s 2 1st rounders are in play. What can Oilers give to get him?
Will Gagner be enough? or Gagner + Plante

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by SumOil on Feb 26, 2011 9:36 AM MST reply actions

Reports from who?

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by Derek Zona on Feb 26, 2011 2:06 PM MST up reply actions

Odds that Penner and Hemsky will both be Oilers at 1501 EST tomorrow?

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by Derek Zona on Feb 27, 2011 10:08 PM MST reply actions

pretty high….I say
but it will be interesting

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by SumOil on Feb 27, 2011 10:34 PM MST up reply actions

I’d say 10% chance that both will be traded.

Maybe a 40% that either will be traded.

50% shot that both will stay.

by will.m on Feb 27, 2011 10:38 PM MST up reply actions

i think higher chance hemsky gets traded

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by SumOil on Feb 27, 2011 10:47 PM MST up reply actions

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