More Fun With Sample Sizes
Season opener, Rexall Place, October 10: Jordan Eberle, finally playing his first NHL game, takes Jim Vandermeer's wall pass in the neutral zone, bursts into the Calgary zone, puts an absolutely sick move on Ian White in which he toe-drags the puck under the sliding defender's stick while simultaneously (and blindly) jumping over it, retains sufficient balance, possession, and presence of mind to deke Miikka Kiprusoff to the backhand, and goes top cheese while crashing to the ice. It was a moment to remember for long-suffering Oiler fans, and for this one remains The Moment of another long, lousy, losing season. A perfect 10 on 10/10/10.
The cherry on top was that there was one second remaining in a Calgary powerplay at the time, making Eberle's spectacular effort officially a shorthanded goal. Immediately installed on the penalty killing unit, Jordan followed up with a second brilliant shortie against the Sharks a couple weeks later (pictured) and became a fixture on the PK. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but the experiment was destined to end in failure when (some of) the percentages turned against Eberle, and hard.
Eberle has played 45 minutes on the PK, virtually all of it in the first quarter of the season. Given he missed a stretch of games he currently has 44 GP, which leaves his average SH TOI just barely above the one-minute-per-game threshold that I routinely use to identify "regular" PKers over at Gabe Desjardins' outstanding advanced stats resource, BehindtheNet.ca (BtN). Before Eberle slides below that threshold I thought it would be a good time to draw attention to his very remarkable set of PK stats.
Applying a further games played filter to eliminate part-timers, there are currently 171 NHL forwards who meet the twin standards of 30+ GP with 1:00+ SH TOI per. The Corsi page of BtN's 4v5 stats shows a remarkable dichotomy: Jordan Eberle ranks first in the NHL in Sh% ON with a remarkable 66.7%, but 171st and dead last in Sv% ON with an execrable .680. That's right, his shooting percentage number very nearly exceeds his save percentage! That Sv% figure is so bad that there are only two other forwards within 100 basis points of it - Fredrik Modin (.729) and Eberle's usual partner-in-crime, Shawn Horcoff (.732), a victim of similar circumstance. The guy in 168th place (Vancouver stalwart Tanner Glass) is all the way up at .795, everybody else at .800 or better. Eberle and his on-ice PK mates - I'm looking at you, Nikolai - aren't even at .700. Egads.
On the other hand, that shooting percentage figure is out-of-this-world good, the sort of number you rarely see - to say the least - in a player with a sample size big enough to meet any sort of qualifying threshold. Eberle is more than 200 basis points clear of the second place performer, Boston's Brad Marchand, and fully double the guys in third.
Turning to the sum total of the two, PDO, Eberle sports a remarkable figure of 1.347, second in the NHL behind just Marchand's 1.372. A good PDO is generally seen as a player "riding the percentages" to plus/minus results perhaps better than he deserves. Surely Ebs is riding high with that outrageously unsustainable number?
Not so fast. Turning now to BtN's Scoring and +/- page we have to scroll all the way down the page to find Eberle ranked 171st and last in the NHL at an atrocious -18.7 per 60. Only the bottom ten guys in the league are even half that bad. Second best in PDO, dead last in +/-, that's not a combination one expects to see.
The catalyst of this seeming anomaly is sample size, specifically unbalanced sample size. The elephant in the room is the 50 shots against the Oilers in Eberle's PK time, compared to the mouse that is just 3 shots for. PDO treats both equally, simply adds the two percentages together without regard for weighting them by the 50:3 ratio that is needed to bring them in line with actual results (2 GF, 16 GA in those 45 minutes). Once you get past the shiny glare of those two dazzling shorties, pretty dreadful results, albeit results that can be placed largely on goaltending that was two levels below "Inadequate". When we eliminate the shorties for and look simply at PPGA-against rates, Eberle again ranks dead last in the NHL at a shudderingly brutal -21.37; only 8 of the other 170 regular PKers are even in double digits.
Compare the one guy whose PDO is even higher, Marchand. He has played double Eberle's PK minutes (89) and allowed half the number of goals, just 8, for a goals against rate barely a quarter of the Oiler rookie. Like Eberle, Marchand's on-ice shooting percentage is way out of whack at 45% (5 goals on 11 shots), and his on-ice save percentage is also exceptional, but in a good way at .918. The shots allowed per 60 by the two are very similar at 65.5 for Marchand and 66.8 for Eberle, but Tim Thomas and friends have let in just 8% of those shots, while Nikolai Khabibulin and accomplices have been torched for 32%. That explains the 4X difference in goals against rate right there.
The other elephant in the room which I will not even attempt to address quantitatively is shot quality. Is it possible that Jordan Eberle was such a miserable penalty killer that Oilers were giving up an inordinate number of ten-bell chances while he was out there? My guess is yes, a little, but nowhere near as much as those percentages suggest. To some extent the other guys were making their shots - mid-air deflections off the post and in, that kind of thing, there was an epidemic of that stuff early in the season. Plus, obviously, our goalies were not making their saves. It's an open question as to whether the coach's decision to gong Ebs from the unit was based on any sort of analysis of ineffective play specific to him or simply a knee-jerk reaction to results while his luck was (mostly) running against him.
Conclusions:
- PDO is a pretty useless stat for special teams due to the heavy imbalance in numbers of shots. (Duh! but it had to be said)
- PDO's individual components are of greater importance in special teams outcomes, specifically Sh%ON for powerplayers and Sv%ON for penalty killers.
- At even strength those individual components are still pretty important for players who have an unbalanced ratio of shots for:against. Two players posting identical shots ratios and PDO will sport very different plus minus outcomes if their component percentages are radically different, as per this simple example of two fictional players:
SF/60 SA/60 Sh% ON Sv% ON PDO GF/60 GA/60 SF/60 Player A 22 31 7.0% 0.930 1.000 1.54 2.17 -0.63 Player B 22 31 11.0% 0.890 1.000 2.42 3.41 -0.99 - PDO is great back-of-the-envelope tool, but the risk is it can be as dirty as it is quick. Like all percentages, and pretty much all stats period for that matter, context is key.
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1.347 PDO
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
lol that is actually pretty interesting analysis.
I think you are bang on when you say that PDO is useless for a special teams. However, as far as I understand, the sv% part of it isnt. Idk if one player can drive the results positively or negatively when it comes to special teams. One would expect that Eberle’s ‘poor run’ is just a part of bad luck.
I would like to know it he was taken away from the pk unit because he was bleeding goals against(goalie’s fault or because he wasnt playing all that well on it.
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
Right, my not-exactly-rocket-science conclusion is that the individual components are best used for the different situations:
Best for shorthanded = Sv% ON
Best for powerplay = Sh% ON
Best for even strength = PDO
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2011 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
Eberle also has the least SA/60 among all fwds on PK in edm
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
I made the same mistake, but eventually when I crunched the numbers I came to realize that SA mean some version of “Saves Against” and need to be added to “Goals Against” to arrive at a true “Shots Against”. And by the time you add in Eberle’s horrid GA rate, his shots against rate is actually the Worst on the team at -66.8.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2011 9:10 PM MST up reply actions
The other elephant in the room which I will not even attempt to address quantitatively is shot quality. Is it possible that Jordan Eberle was such a miserable penalty killer that Oilers were giving up an inordinate number of ten-bell chances while he was out there? My guess is yes, a little, but nowhere near as much as those percentages suggest.
This could be a pretty decent place to use the scoring chances analysis we have. It won’t be perfect in quantifying shot quality, but I’d say that it does a pretty decent job. Derek’s analysis does show Eberle near the bottom, but that might be due to having a higher shot volume.
Abney, Abney, oh why TF did we have to pick Abney?
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 17, 2011 12:04 PM MST reply actions
Unfortunately the principle of shot quality extends to scoring chance quality. As long as they are counted just as 1’s or 0’s there will always be a large grey area. Such shot/chance quality measures are gigantic at the quantum level (from “sure goal” to “Ladi Smid? yeah, sur-re”) but the expectation is that they will average smoothly out within the great big sea of the full data set. I’m not at all convinced that will prove true, in fact am convinced of the contrary in previous eras when the league had less parity and more powerhouses and doormats. Nowadays it seems to me everything does tend to squeeze in nearer the median or the mean or whatever mode of math one manipulates. Such inhomogeneities as still exist are much more subtle in the Bettman Era than they were in, say, the Gretzky Era.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 17, 2011 1:40 PM MST up reply actions
I definitely wouldn’t say that it’s perfect, but it’s better, and since we have the data, it’s a nice place to test your hypothesis first. In addition, I think your objection is both important to recognize and a bit of a red herring that people use to ignore the data. Even if you made a 1 through 10 bell chance scale measured against the Sh% of the shooter, there would be information lost. Any time you categorize events as being “the same” when they’re actually different, information is lost. However, this kind of categorization often helps us to overcome biases, which means that, even though it might be imperfect, it’s still very useful.
Abney, Abney, oh why TF did we have to pick Abney?
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 17, 2011 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, I never said it isn’t useful.
However, some teams will be better at creating scoring chances and others will be better at finishing them, just like shots. There’s likely a positive correlation, but probably not that strong a one. ( /hypothesis )
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 17, 2011 11:38 PM MST up reply actions
I should have linked Derek’s analysis above. Thanks for doing so here. Reviewing the comments there I see MathMan was on the same train w.r.t. Sv% ON for Eberle and Horcoff.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 17, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions

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