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2010 Draft - Forwards and NHL Equivalencies

Off to a pretty good start.

Yesterday, I spent some time looking at how all of the forwards drafted in 2011 were doing offensively so far this season by using Gabriel Desjardins' NHL equivalencies. Today, I'll do the same thing for the 2010 draft, which is a draft class that Oilers' fans have been very excited about in the past. In addition to Taylor Hall, last season's list had Curtis Hamilton, Ryan Martindale, and Tyler Pitlick all among the top forty. Now that all three players have turned pro, we'll take a look at how things have changed.

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In the chart below, I've taken each player's goals, assists and points, converted them to a "per game" rate, multiplied them by the league equivalency number, and then expressed them as an "NHL equivalency" assuming an 82-game season. As you may have guessed, each league has a different equivalency number. I've used this article for the translations from the NHL, KHL (multiply offense by 0.83), SEL (0.78), FNL (0.54), AHL (0.44), NLA (0.43), NCAA (0.41), WHL (0.30), OHL (0.30) and QMJHL (0.28), and this article for the translations from the USHL (0.27) and BCHL (0.14).

Before I go ahead and put up the chart, a bit more explanation is needed. Not all of the players drafted in 2010 were the same age. Several players had already passed through the draft at least once (and sometimes twice). All of these older players are included in the chart but are marked in yellow. Other players were first eligible in 2009 or 2010, but weren't actually drafted until 2011. I've also included these players in the chart with "N/A" written in the "Draft Number" column, and if 2010 was their first year of eligibility, the yellow highlighting disappears. In addition, the "Draft Number" column is not the player's actual draft position but the player's position among forwards. So, for example, Tyler Pitlick was drafted by the Edmonton Oilers 31st overall, but was the 22nd forward to be drafted, so his "Draft Number" in the chart is "22". I've broken the chart into four portions to make it easier to read, but it's still quite small, so you may want to click to enlarge a portion by clicking on it.

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Starting at the top, there have been some pretty major changes from last season. Tyler Seguin was well down the list a year ago, but vaults all the way to the top after a fantastic start in his sophomore season. And that sophomore swing is a common theme for a lot of the risers on the list. In addition to Seguin, Alexander Burmistrov has taken a big leap forward in his second NHL season, and second-year NCAA players like Nick Bjugstad, Brock Nelson, Beau Bennett, Bill Arnold, Chris Crane, and over-ager Christopher Wagner have also leapfrogged into the top thirty. The same thing is happening in Europe where Johan Larsson and Jesper Fasth have both done much better in their second SEL seasons than they did in their first. In other words, looking at the numbers is good, but context is also (very) important. If a player is moving up in level of competition, he may well struggle and look worse by the numbers than he really is.

Which brings me to the Oilers. Kellen Jones, Drew Czerwonka, and Kristians Pelss are ahead of Tyler Pitlick, Curtis Hamilton, and Ryan Martindale going by NHL equivalencies, but we all know that the latter are better prospects than the former. The difference is that those three all turned pro this year, and the transition from junior hockey to the AHL is very difficult. In fact, let's look at all of the players who moved into the AHL this year:

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Not too many success stories. It's a tougher league, and a lot of these players aren't getting the same kind of ice time that they were getting in their junior leagues, which makes it tough to put up offensive numbers. No power play time and no time on the top two lines means not much offense. That doesn't make this process encouraging for the Oiler prospects (especially since the other players on this list were generally drafted in the later rounds), but it does mean that their experience is far from unique. Hopefully at this time next year, we see the sophomore swing in a big way!

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Do you have handy the article you did (I think you did one?) on their pre-draft numbers?

by Passive Voice on Dec 6, 2011 6:27 PM MST reply actions  

August 2010
January 2011
July 2011

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by Scott Reynolds on Dec 6, 2011 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

yaint nuthin but a machine

by Passive Voice on Dec 6, 2011 9:20 PM MST up reply actions  

So how about that Mark Stone?

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by Derek Zona on Dec 6, 2011 8:19 PM MST reply actions  

Leading the WHL in scoring is pretty darn impressive. Central Scouting liked him early in his draft year, but he got hurt and didn’t improve much on his rookie season offensively and thus fell pretty far at the draft. Unlike a lot of guys who get picked in the sixth round and end up putting up offense, Stone has good size too. Hard to believe he was chosen somewhere between Drew Czerwonka and Kristians Pelss.

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by Scott Reynolds on Dec 6, 2011 9:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Stone is certainly having a nice season. You certainly cannot dismiss someone who leads the WHL in scoring and is at the same time his team’s leading scorer by a good margin.

However, I’d reserve some judgement until I can get a chance to see him play at the WJC (assuming he makes the team) because just from the numbers, that Brandon team he plays on looks to be a run-and-gun team. It’s #2 (out of 21) in GF/GP in the WHL and #5 (out of 58) overall in the CHL. But at the same time, it seems to be defensively mediocre: its GA/GP is #14 in the WHL, #38 in the CHL.

To put it into perspective, last year RNH’s Red Deer team gave up 159 goals the entire season. Currently, it’s not even half way thru the season and Brandon has already yielded 110. So it seems that whoever is coaching Brandon is not running an especially tight ship.

Note that Portland team (where Bartschi & Rattie play) has a similar GF-vs-GA characteristic as Brandon.

Personally, I’m not too crazy about Czerwonka. But in fairness, his Kootenay team has the best defensive record in the entire CHL. And the margin seems pretty significant:

2.20 Kootenay Ice WHL
2.50 Belleville Bulls OHL
2.57 Edmonton Oil Kings WHL
2.59 Tri-City Americans WHL
2.59 Brampton Battalion OHL
2.62 London Knights OHL
2.63 Quebec Remparts QMJHL
2.66 Kitchener Rangers OHL
2.82 Kamloops Blazers WHL

However, it’s offensively mediocre: its GF/GP is only ranked #14 in the WHL, #33 in the CHL. And Czerwonka is only one of 2 players on his team hit the 1 Pt/GP mark.

So if we were to evaluate Czerwonka with a greater emphasis on the team context, perhaps all is not totally lost.

by choppystride on Dec 7, 2011 1:33 AM MST up reply actions  

That Quebec team looks pretty impressive defensively too, given that they’re the only team from the Q on your list.

You’re right about Brandon though. They’re averaging 34.6 shots per game, which sounds awfully good to me, but they’re also allowing 33.4 shots per game, which comes out to a huge number of total shots! Don’t know that it reflects poorly on Stone though. He’s been one of the team leaders in plus/minus in each of the last two years. Not a perfect measure of two-way ability (obviously), but it’s at least somewhat encouraging.

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by Scott Reynolds on Dec 7, 2011 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

That Quebec team looks pretty impressive defensively too, given that they’re the only team from the Q on your list.

Yes, I think it certainly reflects well on that Grigorenko kid – he is racking up points on a team that seems to exhibit good defensive discipline.

You’re right about Brandon though. They’re averaging 34.6 shots per game, which sounds awfully good to me

Yes, it’s a relatively high number but doesn’t seem too out of the ordinary as they’re a high scoring team on pace for 300+ GF. If anything, it seems slightly on the low side for such an offensive team so they may be benefitting from a somewhat higher than usual shooting%.

Assuming we’re both using data after 31 games: 4.23/34.6 = 12.2% which does seem a bit high.

by choppystride on Dec 7, 2011 5:13 PM MST up reply actions  

What’s a high shooting percentage in the CHL? Has anyone actually gone and looked to see if S% is slightly higher, because you’re playing against developing goalies? I mean, yes, you still have guys like Bunz putting up .925s, but there seem to be a lot more guys in the sub-.910 range than in the NHL.

12.2% is probably still high, but maybe it’s not as absurd as it would be for the NHL.

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by Doogie2K on Dec 7, 2011 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Personally, I’m a bit disappointed not to see bigger numbers from Jaden Schwartz. His last season was one of the best 18-yr old seasons anyone has put up in the NCAA since 1990. But then he’s only played 12 games so there’s still plenty of time to ramp it up. He’s certainly a player (perhaps THE player) to watch in the WJC.

by choppystride on Dec 7, 2011 1:41 AM MST reply actions  

At year end it would be interesting to see two-year totals.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 7, 2011 12:10 PM MST reply actions  

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