The Useless Energy Line
Recently, Tyler Dellow quizzed me about the origin of the term "energy line". I guessed someone used it in reference to Detroit's famous energy line, but really had no idea. Tyler discovered what he believed to be the first-known reference to an energy line in the archives of the internet. The answer to that is at the end of the article.
The term came about as a way to discuss fourth lines without using the traditional fourth-line descriptors: awful, bad, crappy, overwhelmed, terrible, useless, etc. The term has become deeply ingrained in the hockey lexicon. Broadcasters love to yell out "...and they've got the energy line out now to try to change the momentum of this game." Fans talk about adding energy line players in the off-season as if they are an essential part of the team, a group of players necessary to generate or steal the momentum of a game.
It all sounds great. Sign a bunch of lunchpail players who, though lacking in skill, are able to change the outcome of games through hard work and energy alone. But is it true?
I used a simple criteria to determine a team's 4th line. With the help of the numbers available from Behind the Net, I limited the player list to forwards who've played in at least 20 games and selected the three forwards who've played fewest even strength minutes per game. It's not a perfect methodology, and in fact likely flatters actual fourth lines overall.
The table below contains the combined +/- ON per 60 and combined Corsi/60 of those lines. I've used heat map coloration to indicate the value and groupings of those numbers. The table is sorted by Corsi/60.
| 4th Line | +-ON/60 | Corsi/60 |
| Washington Capitals | 0.52 | 9.45 |
| Dallas Stars | -1.30 | 7.92 |
| San Jose Sharks | 0.25 | 6.00 |
| Columbus Blue Jackets | 0.38 | 5.63 |
| Calgary Flames | -1.21 | 4.91 |
| Detroit Red Wings | 1.30 | 4.43 |
| St. Louis Blues | -0.83 | 3.96 |
| Los Angeles Kings | -0.67 | 0.76 |
| Chicago Blackhawks | -0.66 | 0.22 |
| Buffalo Sabres | -1.43 | -0.53 |
| Toronto Maple Leafs | -0.87 | -0.89 |
| Ottawa Senators | -0.55 | -1.20 |
| Montreal Canadiens | -1.19 | -1.61 |
| Pittsburgh Penguins | -0.87 | -1.89 |
| Colorado Avalanche | -1.00 | -3.22 |
| Phoenix Coyotes | -0.14 | -4.58 |
| New Jersey Devils | -2.04 | -5.64 |
| Vancouver Canucks | -0.28 | -7.40 |
| Philadelphia Flyers | -0.75 | -8.71 |
| Florida Panthers | -1.31 | -9.07 |
| Tampa Bay Lightning | -0.96 | -9.84 |
| New York Islanders | -2.26 | -11.73 |
| New York Rangers | 0.14 | -13.57 |
| Boston Bruins | 0.75 | -15.09 |
| Carolina Hurricanes | 0.17 | -15.48 |
| Winnipeg Jets | -0.82 | -15.79 |
| Nashville Predators | -1.05 | -21.46 |
| Anaheim Ducks | -2.19 | -21.94 |
| Edmonton Oilers | -0.88 | -25.29 |
| Minnesota Wild | -0.88 | -26.71 |
Of note - all 30 of these fourth lines have the lowest qualcomp on their respective teams, which means they are almost exclusively playing other fourth lines with a couple of shifts against top nine players thrown in. Note that 21 lines have compiled negative Corsi and 23 lines have given up more goals than they've scored. It's also worth noting that this doesn't pick up all of the goons in the league - many of them don't have enough games played to qualify. I've looked at their contribution previously.
Two-thirds of the league is icing a fourth line that is losing the possession battle to some degree, which can only mean those lines have been destroyed by other non-energy lines in total. Remember, without exception, these lines have the lowest possible qualcomp on their teams - they are playing the easiest opponents possible and still two-thirds of them are losing the battle, some to a much greater degree than others.
As a group, the 90 men who comprise "energy lines" in the NHL average 8.71 minutes per game. They've combined for a +/- ON per 60 of -.65 and have averaged -6.23 Corsi/60. Thus far, the average energy line has given up one-tenth of a per game more than they've scored. Over the course of a season, that means they're worth about -8 goals, or more than one win. And they're doing that against the easiest competition possible. Some are worse, much, much worse.
- Three of the bottom four teams on the list - Nashville, Anaheim, Minnesota - are the three worst Fenwick close teams in the league.
- Add Edmonton (the worst team in the league over the last 60 days) to the three teams above and you have the four lines who are being outshot at 1.9 to 1 or greater. Again, consider the ramifications: these lines are playing the easiest possible competition and they are still being outshot at a nearly 2-1 ratio. The fastest way for those four teams to improve at even strength is to never, ever play their fourth lines.
So there you have it. Using the 2011-12 data, the average energy line, playing against other energy lines with an occasional shift against a top nine line, will cost a team 1.3 wins per year. Some will cost their teams even more - over 3 wins per year. Less than one-third of the lines will make a positive contribution to their teams.
The 1996 Dallas Stars were first referred to as having an energy line, rather than a fourth line. If you know of an earlier reference, please let us know.
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Can you post the details?
For Nashville in particular, I’d like to see who you have listed as the 4th line, as I suspect Zone Starts could play a large role here.
Overall, these results shouldn’t be surprising. The worst forwards on each team should be expected to post negative results, since they can’t always line up against the other team’s muckers. The key is to have them not cost the team too much while the stars catch their breath.
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by Dirk Hoag on Dec 30, 2011 11:39 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
As he gave the criteria, i can do it for you…
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Though Matt Halischuk gets almost the same icetime as smithson so when he pulled the data it might have been him instead.
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That makes sense. Smithson has among the toughest workloads in the league in terms of Zone Starts. Geoffrion has been a disappointment (recently sent down to the AHL), and McGrattan’s just an enforcer.
Halischuk, however, is a more interesting case. Moderate workload, often plays with better linemates, but posts god-awful Corsi results. Since he chips in the odd goal and plays a simple, north-south game with a lot of hard work along the boards, however, fans love him.
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The worst forwards on each team should be expected to post negative results, since they can’t always line up against the other team’s muckers. The key is to have them not cost the team too much while the stars catch their breath.
Exactly. And the “Please Get The Puck Down There And Keep It There For A Bit, Maybe Hit Someone If It Makes Sense, Give Our Good Players A Breather, Then Get Off The Ice Quickly” line is too wordy.
As long as one doesn’t mythologize them, they’re simply a necessary evil because skating only nine forwards is not practical and, in theory at least (heh), their replacements should be even worse/more useless/cost more wins.
In my memory the “energy” and “grind” descriptors predate 1996 (probably just an Internet date, that) and I’d bet those adjectives stem from coaches trying to fill those roles with low-maintenance players just happy to be here/block shots/dump it deep, etc. rather than frustrated scoring prospects who think they deserve more minutes and spend their limited minutes attempting plays their bad linemates are incapable of leveraging.
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in theory at least (heh), their replacements should be even worse/more useless/cost more wins.
There are plenty of guys toiling away in the AHL that could be more productive 4th liners than the truculence most teams employ, but the NHL mindset is that they have to be physical guys.
Detroit (of course) is a great example of what a 4th line could look like. But then, who would want to emulate a team that’s seemingly contending for conference titles every season?
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by George E. Ays on Dec 30, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
The Caps and Stars are also good examples.
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As we discussed earlier, this is actually very complimentary of the Rangers 4th line since it’s in a 15 game transition and these numbers will look much different in a couple of weeks. But Rupp, Prust and random guy are really terrible.
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Random guy right now is Fedotenko, who has also been terrible, but at least he was doing most of his failing against other team’s 1sts.
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by George E. Ays on Dec 30, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
I thought this exercise removed truculent guys from the start.
Not all can be Detroit, but of course that model is what I’m thinking of: Even if everyone uses their absolute best options on the 4th line (often hard to evaluate, since this is the area where players swing up and down from the AHL in limited situations), they will still be, well, their worst forwards.
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As long as one doesn’t mythologize them, they’re simply a necessary evil because skating only nine forwards is not practical and, in theory at least (heh), their replacements should be even worse/more useless/cost more wins.
Are you certain of this? For example, would Linus Omark, Magnus Paajarvi and Patrick Thoresen post something worse that -25.29?
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For example, would Linus Omark, Magnus Paajarvi and Patrick Thoresen post something worse that -25.29?
BUT THEY’D GET THEIR SHOW RUN
I’d love to know if showrun/60 is worth more than a loss and a third per year.
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No, but I'm speaking to Dirk's point
that the fourth line is intuitively a team’s worst forwards. (I realize that’s bleeding away from the topic of “sign ’em for the energy!” guys.)
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That may be intuitive but it’s not true. I’d love to know how Brian McGrattan is better than Niclas Bergfors.
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I don't think I realized how many teams still use McGrattans
Mind, I watch a team that rarely dresses even one fighter type. Marty Reasoner is not dressed for “energy.”
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Take a look around the league. There are plenty of them.
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Five teams are limited by zonestarts. I can post the Adj. Corsi numbers, but it doesn’t make a huge impact.
The worst forwards on each team should be expected to post negative results, since they can’t always line up against the other team’s muckers.
There’s obviously a gap in that thinking and what GMs actually do. GMs spend somewhere from double to triple the amount necessary for a group of players to take body punches for 8 minutes per game.
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Looking at Boston’s numbers, Tim Thomas is a hell of a goalie isn’t he?
by melancholyculkin on Dec 30, 2011 11:59 AM MST reply actions
You can play around with the stats all you like, but if you had been on the ice last night in a gritty, physical game like that, you’d have been damned happy to have a Hordichuk or a MacIntyre on your team whatever the ‘math’ says. With no Hordichuk and just more Gagners or Omarks on your fourth line who the hell would have fought Kassian? Your fancy-pansy stats can’t answer that question, can they? Not so smart now, eh Zona?
Look, I know you probably think you mean well with all your equations and multiplications, but no team can win games in the NHL with a bunch of eurotrash, pussy, peacenik, communists who don’t know how to take a real beating for the team. Fuck, Hemsky can’t even storm out of a press room like a real man. I used to think he was ok for a euro, but you can tell that all he’s interested in now is his dandy clothes, girly-boy friends, and fancy perfumes. Jim should have decked the pansy and saved us from all his drama queen crap about his shoulders. You wouldn’t find Darcy Hordichuk whining about ‘injuries’ after he repeatedly headbutted Kassian’s fists to energise the team. A real man does what a real man’s got to do. It all goes to show that you can take the euro out of Europe, but you can’t take the pussy out of the euro. I bet he even puts mayonaise on his fries the little faggot.
by Yeti# on Dec 30, 2011 12:06 PM MST reply actions 10 recs
Holy hell! Don Cherry is posting here.
by David S on Dec 30, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
A consideration on Detroit
If Tomas Holmstrom is considered part of the 4th line because of his low ice time, it may be worthwhile to note that 34% of Holmstrom’s ice time at even strength has been shared by Pavel Datsyuk.
Then again, The fourth-lowest TOI forward for Detroit is Justin Abdelkader, and his possession numbers are better than Holmstrom’s.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 30, 2011 1:26 PM MST reply actions
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That's what I thought
Although they aren’t terrible as an official trio. The three of them have spent a total of 54:54 on the ice together this season. They’re being outshot (on goal only) 29-27, but have outscored their opposition 2-0.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 30, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
I’m actually doing a study right now on how much different teams use their fourth lines. When Paul Maurice was the coach, he would always use younger, offensively gifted call-ups like Dalpe and Boychuk on the fourth line and gave them next to no ice-time. Their time would be better spent in the AHL if we’re going to use him in that fashion.
However, if we were to roll four lines, we might be able to use the younger forwards there. They can’t be any worse than Stewart and Brent.
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The Leafs only have 11 players with 20+ games. So you are missing Mike Brown at 18GP, who played with Steckel and Dupuis for the most part.
Brown actually has the toughest zone starts (OZ% 34.2), and the best CORSI ON (9.24) and CORSI REL (13.5) on the team. Now, he’s been sheltered, but for a guy making .74mil and playing 10ish minutes a night thats still solid. he also blocks shots with a reckless disregard for his own safety, and can grow a sweet moustache.
So what’s the deal with the Capitals? For that matter, the other teams at the top seem to have fourth liners with better possession numbers than the team as a whole.
This reminds me to finish up something I was working on before which is that shutdown lines don’t seem to be very good at shutting down top opposition.
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by red army line on Dec 30, 2011 10:30 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Either Boudreau did a good job of keeping them out against only 4th liners or they are just better.
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This happened with the Flames last year too – the bottom six posted good poosession numbers, the top-6 not so much. It’s even worse this season with Jokinen et al getting beat up more often than not.
Jackman, Kostopolous and Stajan have mostly been the Flames 4th line this season. They aren’t world beaters, but definitely better than many of the 4th lines you see on other teams.
by Kent Wilson on Dec 31, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
Let’s assume you can only pay for a fourth line around the league minimum with offensive skills at a premium and defensive skills at a lessor premium. Your choice is not between highly talented players vs goons because you would have to pay the talented players more because they have more scarce and sought after skills. The choice becomes not-so-talented players who can hit and fight or not-so-talented players who can’t. That’s the main justification I can see as the premium that teams are willing to pay for goons is very small, while the premium for offensive and defensive talent is much more.
Yet teams pass over more not-so-talented players in free agency. How in the world does Jamal Mayers get work?
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Mayers has got to be reputation from a decade ago or something
Really puzzling. I don’t get how San Jose and Chicago each deliberately signed him.
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I think it’s important to have a lot of mobility between an NHL club and their AHL affiliate. If so, you can use the 4th line as a motivator to enable prospects and minor-league vets to earn minutes in the show. The purpose of the line would obviously be to offload minutes from the others, but also to inject some vitality into the lineup from those most fortunate to just be there.
If they don’t pan out they get sent back down to the farm while a fresh set gets their shot at chartered flights, nicer hotels, a bigger paycheque and 7 minutes a night.
by John Chambers on Dec 31, 2011 7:57 AM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Detroit is now running three rookies on their 4th line. Seems like they’re doing exactly what you’re talking about.
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So here's an incongruity that I'm trying to resolve
Adam Hall is a member of a Lightning 4th line that’s in the bottom 10 in the league and generally makes a strong negative contribution to the game. But Tampa Bay is 9-0-1 this season in games in which Adam Hall gets 13+ minutes on the ice. Five of those nine wins are of the come from behind variety, so it can’t just be that the Bolts throw out 4th line guys to eat minutes when they have a big lead. What am I missing?
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