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Finally, The Oilers Have Goaltending

One of the running jokes amongst Oilers fans is the lack of goaltending the Oilers have suffered from since Curtis Joseph carried them on his back in 1997 and 1998. Tommy Salo's greatest contribution to the Oilers was the return for him when he was traded to the Avs. Sure, they had that unbelievable spring in 2006 when Dwayne Roloson's .927 save percentage was an ill-timed Marc-Andre Bergeron shove away from a cup, but that was the pinnacle of Roloson's time in Edmonton.

Aside from Joseph, the names of the goaltenders who've passed through Edmonton since Grant Fuhr reads like the list of quadruples and quintuples at the bottom of the shoebox housing your hockey cards:

Brathwaite, Conklin, Cowley, Deslauriers, Dubnyk, Essensa, Foster, Gage, Garon, Gerber, Ing, Khabibulin, Markkanen, Minard, Morrison, Passmore, Reddick, Roloson, Roussel, Salo, Shtalenkov, Takko, Tugnutt, Valiquette.

And while management may not have anyone to hang their hats on just yet, the level of goaltending in the organization is higher now than it's been in a very long while.

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Thanks to NHLE it's easy to categorize and rank the skating prospects in the organization. The translations give readers and fans an idea of progression and some targets for the future. Goaltenders are much more difficult to judge. Goaltender development is anything but linear, and though there are those who believe they've figured it out, each year phenoms from out of nowhere take the place of heralded never-weres. Predicting the development curve of goaltenders is akin to alchemy, so the best we can do is track save percentage, the best measure of talent in a goaltender. Below is a list of all of the goaltenders in the organization, either under contract or through draft rights.


Team League TOI S GA Pct
Nikolai Khabibulin Edmonton NHL 1227 605 42 0.931
David LeNeveu Oklahoma City AHL 722 342 24 0.930
Yann Danis Oklahoma City AHL 1037 521 38 0.927
Tyler Bunz Medicine Hat WHL 1872 1017 79 0.922
Olivier Roy Stockton ECHL 852 442 39 0.912
Frans Tuohimaa Jokerit SM-liiga 977 423 41 0.903
Devan Dubnyk Edmonton NHL 754 402 39 0.903
Samu Perhonen





  • The only time Nikolai Khabibulin has approached .931 in his entire career was his 1999-00 season with the Long Beach Ice Dogs of the IHL. He posted .923 with Phoenix in 1998-99 and .920 with Tampa in 2001-02. If he stays on the same path, he's going to be 9 goals better than he's ever been in any season. It's unlikely, but even if he just posts .910 for the rest of the season (given the same ratio of minutes), he'll still finish at .919 for the season, his best season since 2001-02.
  • The last time David LeNeveu posted a save percentage like .930, he was chasing co-eds as a 19-year-old superstar for Cornell in the ECAC in 2002-03. .930 would be his best professional season ever and by a wide margin.
  • Like LeNeveu, Yann Danis is in the midst of his best season since his days in the ECAC. Danis posted .942 for Brown in 2003-04 and posted a .924 in Hamilton in 2004-05.
  • Tyler Bunz has improved in each of his WHL seasons with Medicine Hat. .886 ---> .898 ---> .919 --->.922. Though he was cut from Canada's World Junior team (and he handled it like he's studied at the Shawn Horcoff School of Handling the Media), and stop me if you've heard this one before, he's logging the best season of his career thus far.
  • Olivier Roy's .912 doesn't look impressive, but he's the only one in the group who moved up into a tougher league for the first time. Not to repeat myself, but .912 would be the best season of his career. Though he's gone from the CHL to the professional game, his game has improved as well.

The planets have aligned for the Oilers. Somehow, four goaltenders are playing at the highest level of their career and their elderly patriarch is playing like he's 28 years old. Obviously this isn't going to continue. The odds that these five goaltenders have suddenly raised their true talent levels are astronomical, but the two that matter - Roy and Bunz - may have done so. So while the fickle finger of regression will poke a hole in these bubbles, the future, at least in the short term, is bright.

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Why the Salo hate?

Derek, really? Anti-Salo? If I’m not mistaken, his 2.22 GAA was the best in Oiler history and the three seasons between 99-02 are actually really impressive. Sure his sv% isn’t above .914, but a GAA under 2.46 three years running while playing no fewer than 69 games per season is actually pretty damn good.

That said, trading a post Belarus goal (and reported Mike Comrie incident) Salo for Gilbert was fantastic.

Some of those names on the list are terrible though. What was Sather thinking when he ran Goalie Bob and Mikhail Shtalenkov as his tandem in 98-99? And who is Cowley? That’s the only name I don’t recognize

by Stephen Sheps on Dec 21, 2011 7:39 AM MST reply actions  

Beat me to it, Shepso. I had the exact same reaction reading the article. Remembering the end of Salo’s career with the Oilers and not the first few years is like remembering the end of life of someone who developed Alzheimer’s without remembering the person that came before. Salo did go out with a whimper to be sure, but he was decent for quite a while, even playing in two All-Star games. In 2001-02 the Oilers had the second best goals-against record in the league, with Salo playing 69 games.

The Salo for Gilbert trade was a beauty though. I blame Lowe.

What was Sather thinking when he ran Goalie Bob and Mikhail Shtalenkov as his tandem in 98-99?

“Hmmm, we’re gonna need a better goalie. What’s Mike Milbury’s phone number?”

Oilers fan through thick, thin and anorexic. Writer for The Cult of Hockey.

by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 21, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Wayne Cowley

was the Cape Breton Oilers goalie the year the won the Calder Cup (the same year a fella named Bill MacDougal put up 52 points in 16 playoff games for Cape Breton – it was 1992-1993 and for an AHL affiliate of a not so great NHL team, Cape Breton was stacked with good players) I think Cowley got into one NHL game against Detroit I believe. What I remember most about him was he’d drive opposing players crazy by sticking his catching glove in their faces if his d-man had the puck behind his own net so the attacker couldn’t see which way the d-man would go. I don’t know how effective it was but is was funny as hell.

by DJFlynn on Dec 21, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Not saying your wrong, but using GAA is a poor choice to support your argument.
Atleast you didnt use wins/losses I suppose

by DarrenV on Dec 21, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions  

How come? We don’t exactly have any records for things like evsv% and any of the other advanced stats from Salo’s time. All we really have are the old counting numbers, plus wins and losses. If I recall correctly, we haven’t had a goalie with more than 30 wins in a year since Salo, either…Back to back 30+ win seasons doesn’t scream terrible goaltending…

Please let me know what kind of numbers you would rather I use to support my position that Salo had 3 pretty solid seasons before his brain broke. (This is really not meant to come across as trollish, I am actually legitimately curious!)

by Stephen Sheps on Dec 21, 2011 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Having 30 wins or not depends largely on the team infront of you, since no matter how many shots a goalie saves, someone still need to get it out of the zone and into the other team’s net. The goalie’s only job is to stop the puck, therefore wins as a stat for goalies is rather meaningless. Leagues such as Finland’s don’t even record wins as a stat for goalies.

For goalies I am of the belief that the while not perfect and not telling the whole story, Save % is the best stat to go off of, and the others such as Shutouts, GAA and wins/losses don’t bring much to the table at all.
Brodeur Is A Fraud explains it much better than I ever could.

by DarrenV on Dec 22, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

That’s why every goalie ever interviewed says “I just want to record the highest save percentage I possibly can!”

Oilers fan through thick, thin and anorexic. Writer for The Cult of Hockey.

by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 22, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Because that’s indicative of everything, of course it is. We believe every word said to the media by players.
Great supporting argument Bruce.

by DarrenV on Dec 22, 2011 9:41 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Chris Osgood believes all he ever did was win.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

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by dawgbone98 on Dec 22, 2011 9:46 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

This is why I am not a stats guy. I very clearly remember Salo being a pretty fantastic goalie in that three year period, making several ridiculous saves and going to the all star game once or twice. And lets be honest, that team wasn’t great. While the 1999-2002 teams made the playoffs, they still didn’t have balance. They made up for it in work ethic though. What I remember more about Salo though was his being a really strong regular season goalie and not being able to maintain in the playoffs. The numbers (which you say are irrelevant) aren’t that far off, but in the playoffs, stealing a win or 3 for your team is pretty damn important. Cujo could do that; Salo could not.

I’ll accept the argument that wins and GAA is determined largely by the team in front of you, there are goalies that play well and have great numbers in front of largely terrible teams (see Vokun, Thomas in his Panther days), so that argument still only goes so far.

My point is this; the Oilers haven’t had “elite” goaltending since Cujo left, but there was a 3 year period where it wasn’t terrible, and I would argue above league average in that time span. Cujo was in a class nearly by himself in his 2 years here, Roli had a great playoff run and was pretty consistent, fiercely competitive, and until this season, better than what we have had since he left, but to argue that there hasn’t been a good (not legendary, but good) goalie here since Cujo would be misleading.

by Stephen Sheps on Dec 22, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

He was a bit of a yo yo.

He was solid in 99-00 and 01-02, but had a rather poor 00-01 season.

The biggest difference was that in 99-00 the Oilers scored 226 goals.

In 01-02 the Oilers scored 205 goals

In 00-01 the Oilers scored 243 goals, which was a big part in the number of wins Salo ended up with.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

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by dawgbone98 on Dec 22, 2011 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

As I said in my initial comment, ‘Not saying you’re wrong..’ as I recall Salo being a competent goalie myself.
My only problem was using GAA as the supporting argument, which in my view, is pretty weak.

by DarrenV on Dec 22, 2011 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

He was competent when viewed through the blackened lens of incompetent Edmonton goaltending, but he wasn’t that good. I’ll say this, he faced a ton of rubber and stopped some of it.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Dec 22, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

No offense, but you guys misremember. Salo is remembered fondly because he was better than all of the chaff (except Cujo) from Fuhr until now. He wasn’t a good goaltender, he was better than the absolute crap and he was long-lived (for an Edmonton goalie).

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by Derek Zona on Dec 21, 2011 8:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I’d say Salo was considered to be in the top 10 netminders in the league for four or so years in Edmonton. Trouble was, he was definitively behind Ed Belfour on that pecking order, and proved it every April.

Oilers fan through thick, thin and anorexic. Writer for The Cult of Hockey.

by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 22, 2011 9:00 AM MST up reply actions  

The top 10 netminders in Edmonton for four years? I think I agree with that. Who was at UofA at the time?

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by Derek Zona on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Tugnutt used to play for the Fredericton Express, the former AHL team in my hometown. As a young goaltender, he was & still is an idol of mine. One time during the pregame skate, he was skating around behind the net & he looked up at the group I was with. We made eye contact, he did a little nod & boy oh boy, did that moment motivate me to become a better goaltender. The day he was traded to the Oil, it ws like someone had given me a million dollar winning lotto ticket.

by painfulloss on Dec 21, 2011 8:05 AM MST reply actions  

That almost reads like a LT article. Good content and tone:) Nicely done.

by borisnikov on Dec 21, 2011 8:28 AM MST reply actions  

Good stuff in the article, and you’re right about the depth goalies all playing well. My big concern at the moment is Dubnyk, the goalie of the more-immediate future. Plays the odd good game, but hasn’t been able to string two of them together.

Oilers fan through thick, thin and anorexic. Writer for The Cult of Hockey.

by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 21, 2011 9:34 AM MST reply actions  

My feeling, and it may just be that, is that Dubnyk plays better the more work he has. I don’t think he has the make up of a back up goaltender. He’s a starter or bust.

by gcw_rocks on Dec 21, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Holy cow, Norm Foster

I had to look that one up.

Also did not realize Kari Takko did some time with the Oil.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Dec 21, 2011 3:40 PM MST reply actions  

Kari Takko and his white pads.

Oilers fan through thick, thin and anorexic. Writer for The Cult of Hockey.

by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 21, 2011 11:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I remember Takko from getting lit up in the 87 Canada Cup. Poor Bastard was in a shooting gallery the whole tournament.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

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by dawgbone98 on Dec 22, 2011 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Any article that mentions Shtalenkov and SVG PCT gets a rec’d no matter what it says or how it’s worded.

by BigB_09 on Dec 21, 2011 8:08 PM MST reply actions  

you also forgot bill ranford

by carlos62 on Dec 21, 2011 10:28 PM MST reply actions  

Ranford rocked. That one year, anyways.

by BillHK on Dec 22, 2011 7:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Dubnyk's enthusiasm

Is it me or does Dubnyk’s “conserve energy” or whatever he calls it approach to the game just look like he plays without passion or a sense of urgency? He’ll make the occasional sprawling save like he’s actually into the game but something’s got to be said of the lack of interest he seems to have…kinda like Hemsky at times. Maybe it’s just me. His confidence is hurting big time. The Bulin wall on the other hand is playing like he’s in a contract year (which he’s not). Maybe he’s just happy Paajarvi was sent down…you know…’cause he could be his father in law from I hear.

by SoCalOil on Dec 22, 2011 1:58 AM MST reply actions  

what?

So young miss Khabbi is causing MPS’s slump? I knew there had to be a reason. I just knew it!

by BillHK on Dec 22, 2011 6:59 AM MST up reply actions  

One person’s “calm demeanour” is another’s “lack of urgency”. I kind of like unflappable in a netminder myself.

Oilers fan through thick, thin and anorexic. Writer for The Cult of Hockey.

by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 22, 2011 8:32 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Jeff Deslauriers flops around like a seizing seal in the crease and he stinks. I’ll take Henrik Lundqvist’s positional play over an “urgent” goaltender any time.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Dec 22, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

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