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How Do You Fix The Oilers Defense?

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The Oilers' roster building strategy has lacked focus for awhile now. Photo by Lisa McRitchie, all rights reserved.

Our D is far from competent. All Phoenix had to do was forecheck the crap out of every D not named "Gilbert" and "Smid" and put a blanket over the RNH line.

--David S, in the comments of the Phoenix postgame

The Oilers' defense has been a problem since the $22 million blueline (Souray, Visnovsky, Gilbert, Grebeskov, Smid, Staios) was broken up in the spring of 2010. We've known about the weaknesses in this year's squad since July 1st, and we've hoped, and at times begged for the Oilers to address the deficiencies through free agency.

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When that didn't work, we asked and again begged, the Oilers to find help for the depleted defensive corps on the waiver wire. None of that happened. And now the Oilers are stuck in a situation where they've got one actual defensive pairing (and make no mistake, Gilbert and Smid have been great), a second pairing comprised of two hobbled and slowed blueliners and a 3rd pairing with a rookie (Petry) and a guy who wishes he was just struggling. They've got an AHLer in the seven hole, and Andy Sutton on the suspended list for a second time. Cam Barker, the Oilers hail mary, is still a never was and never will be.

'Sphere readers are likely familiar with Lowetide's ongoing complaint about roster balance. Once again, the Oilers have pulled their patented over-correct. Two year's removed from spending way too much on defense, the Oilers have worked themselves into a spot where they've got two actual NHL-level defenders. How in the world do they fix this?

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Holy Mackrel, we don’t have any defencemen.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

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by dawgbone98 on Dec 16, 2011 9:50 AM MST reply actions   2 recs

As I reflected on the game this morning, I was reminded how much it felt like watching last year’s version of the Oilers. The defense was over-matched and just plain bad.

by TakeoutArtist on Dec 16, 2011 9:56 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

The correct response should be to find a GM who understands this concept of roster balance and depose Tambellini. Sadly this isn’t going to happen in the short term.

by TakeoutArtist on Dec 16, 2011 9:52 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Some of Tabellini’s key gambles haven’t paid off – and this reflects badly on his judgement. Whitney was always a major risk owing to injury. Barker simply a mess. When that’s added to a seeming inability to do the basic foundational things – i.e. ensure a balanced roster – then there’s really little left to salvage. If Potter hadn’t badly overperformed earlier in the season then we’d have been even worse.

by Yeti# on Dec 16, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I’d love to know which ones you think have paid off.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 17, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

You trade for Corey Sarich, that’s how.

by Kent Wilson on Dec 16, 2011 10:13 AM MST reply actions  

You just don’t quit with Sarich do you? :p

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by mindmasher on Dec 16, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe for Aaron Johnson and a third round pick?

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by Jonathan Willis on Dec 16, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Trade Gagner and pkg for Cam Ward.

by ralph_u on Dec 16, 2011 10:28 AM MST reply actions  

How does an overpaid goalie help the defense?

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by Derek Zona on Dec 18, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, the Jets look like they’re about to put Mark Flood on waivers… :/ #probablynotalongtermsolutionbutmygoodnessanyportinastormrightnowiguess

by Chunklets on Dec 16, 2011 10:44 AM MST reply actions  

hockey is not just psychology, as I’ve seen the contract extensions, I had already asked a few questions. No player will be better if he earns more than 2 million. However, this is a management problem.
Barker was always a 50/50 chance or less.
Either one is addressing the issue of aggressive or you can the time work, but this time the Oilers have not. I always wished it would work out till play offs, but it dont

by Screaming69 on Dec 16, 2011 10:46 AM MST reply actions  

Barker was always a 50/50 chance or less.

Chance of being useful? “Less” is generous. It’s more like there was a 1% chance.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 17, 2011 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Everything is going according to plan. The plan is simple and perfect – get high draft picks. A fool could pull it off. There is no need for any other part in the plan. The astute actions taken since the end of last season support the acquisition of high picks, like a jock strap supports it’s wearer.

It is sublimely brilliant, and this subtle genius should be appreciated for what it is! It would be sad if ST had to wait for recognition until after he’s gone, like so many auteurs.

by FastOil on Dec 16, 2011 11:51 AM MST reply actions  

I, for one, will certainly appreciate him when he’s dead.

by Yeti# on Dec 16, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Did I say ‘dead’? I’m sure I meant ‘gone’.

by Yeti# on Dec 16, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I’ve lost count of how many times our forward players are having to start their rushes from behind our own net. Credit the guys for buying into a “defensive mindset”, but the lack of ability to outlet is creating a situation whereby instead of catching a crisp pass in flight just outside the blueline, forwards have to commence 200 feet from the opposing net – from a dead stop. This is drastically reducing the chances of success. How many things have to go right for a successful rush when you have to go through the entire opposing team?

To my mind Renney has to overcompensate for a brutal D, and in doing so is effectively negating the strengths our young guys possess (speed, skill). This is especially obvious on the road when you can’t get favorable matches. I think this has alot to do with why we’re starting (?) to see the effects of cumulative fatigue. We’re collectively over-tasking the forward players every night.

Still, we see moments of brilliance. When we win, we win big. But to do so the entire team has to perform beyond their natural limits (like in a playoff series). You can do this once in a while but mediocre teams simply cannot sustain the high level of performance necessary to compete against stronger, balanced squads who don’t have to exert themselves to the max in order to simply compete.

I have to admit. I was one of the fools who got suckered into believing this team had an outside chance at a playoff spot in the spring. But the longer we get into the season it’s becoming patently obvious that the plan is to go for another high pick. I mean, who in their right mind brings in guys like Sutton and Barker and depends on AHL guys to fill in the other spots? Unless that “right mind” had another agenda.

by David S on Dec 16, 2011 12:41 PM MST reply actions  

Balance seems to be a foreign concept to the Oilers. Balance in size, balance in skills, balance between forwards and defence. It’s not there.

I mean, you can’t have too many small-ish forwards, can you? Smallish forwards are absolutely the best at helping out a weak defensive unit, aren’t they?

How do you fix it isn’t rocket science. When you have too many forwards and not enough defensemen, you trade one for the other.

I am not even sure who you trade is a difficult question. Gagner, Omark, Hemsky, Horcoff (if he has generated any trade value) and even MPS need to be considered.

The real question is to which team, for whom?

Last year I wrote a post here saying the Oilers should be targeting players like Joe Colbourne (when they needed centres with size), Jared Cowen, and Jon Blum, among others. Colbourne was stuck behind 3 top flight centres in Boston, Brian Murray was looking desperate in Ottawa and Nashville was in dire need of some offence. Identifying targets for the Oilers frankly didn’t seem that hard. A little time assessing depth charts on teams with probable motivation to make a deal and targets emerged.

This year, as the Oilers have struggled defensively I have not been able to identify nearly as easily trade targets for the Oilers. You would, I think, look to the top teams and those fighting for a play-off spot for d-men that are not quite ready but are very close (a “for next season” trade) or the bottom feeders for actual NHL defencemen in trade for futures, or for a team with too much ‘d’ and not enough ‘o’. On the latter, only the Leafs come to mind. Franson and Aulie becoming prime targets.

Of the bottom feeders, I don’t see a lot of d-men I would trade for, except maybe Pitkanen, and would he come back?

For the contenders, are you going to pry Dougie Hamilton out of Boston given how they have been playing? Not likely. Philly? Not after Pronger. Rangers? Nope. Washington? Nope. Could you pry Despres or Morrow out of Pittsburgh? Despres could pay short term benefits but Morrow is a year or two away. Maybe Voynov out of LA – if they would trade with the Oilers, and that’s a big if.

If other people have suggestions I would be interested to hear them. Maybe Tambi is struggling to find a dance partner? I hope that’s it.

Because the alternative is too scary to think about…

by gcw_rocks on Dec 16, 2011 2:09 PM MST reply actions  

Isn’t Pitkanen out with a concussion?

by TakeoutArtist on Dec 16, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

how about we bring up tullipov his size and toughness would help i think

by carlos62 on Dec 16, 2011 2:44 PM MST reply actions  

He’s struggling to stay in the lineup in the AHL right now

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by Derek Zona on Dec 17, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions  

I think we’re going to see the old “patience, we’re still rebuilding” rolled out.

I’m hoping (and it should be pretty obvious to everyone in the oilers organisation by now) that we focus on 1. defence, and 2. power forwards. We are stocked up on young smaller forwards, and we do have some good two way players coming through the system in Hamilton and Pitlick and some defensive prospects in Marincin, Klefbom, and Musil but they are all a few years away.

I foresee the oilers really looking at a top flight defensive prospect with their first ronud pick this year, however high that may be. Maybe even another defenceman with their second pick (very deep defensive draft). Then we will likely look at larger forwards with a preference while re-stocking on other pieces too.

The key part to next offseason will be free agency, there are some very interesting names hitting free agency guys approaching UFA status include, Ryan Suter, Josh Gorges, marr Carle, Johnny Boychuk, Dennis Wideman, Tim Gleason, Spaceck, Kubina, Sarich, Oduya, Gill, Corvo etc etc etc.

With Smid, Gilbert, Whitney, and Petry likely staying that gives us 2-3 spots open for new hires. With Potter likely getting an extension here for third pairing and Peckham maybe staying in the system (but I would use as trade bait).

Smid – Gilbert
Boychuk – Petry
Whitney – Sarich
Potter

Then we could always bring in a young stud guy via a trade involving some of our forwards. But my point being that it would not take much to make this defence respectable. We have a few good pieces. GIlbert and Smid are a solid pairing, Petry is a good young developing player, Whitney is lacking now but should eventually come right. Potter has proven he can contribute with protected EV minutes along with No.1 PP time.

What we lack is a stud number one pairing, we have two second pairings effectively, which means both are are currently playing above their grade, and we just don’t have the depth on the third or below for when injuries hit. I do not want to see Teubert playing as an oiler yet. He needs another two years in OKC IMO.

But this is just my little rant.

by NZoilerfan on Dec 16, 2011 4:38 PM MST reply actions  

Timing is everything. When opportunity arises, those that eventually get ahead are the ones who open the door when it knocks, as the Shark’s Wilson mentioned when talking about acquiring Burns.

As fans we aren’t privy to the inner circles. But there is scuttlebutt between GM’s, coaches and agents around the league all the time. Owners forcing trades, players getting in bad books, accountants driving changes to increase revenue.

Because we haven’t seen any significant action over the last few years other than trading the best D away for no good reason we know of (Lubo) and Smyth trading himself home, I think management’s hand is played. And it’s pretty much what they have been saying.

Lowe and ST believe they have enough pieces in the system to fill the holes, and want to acquire top level talent through the draft because they can’t get it otherwise. Pajaarvi, Hamilton, Pitlick, Harti, maybe Martindale are going to provide the size and two way play we need, your power forwards.

The defence will be fleshed out with those on the farm or on their way. Lots of size, grit and well rounded defensemen are there. We have two top goalie prospects in the system now.

We are missing elite D, but I think they are going to go to the draft unless Webber or someone trades himself to Edmonton – I don’t know if ST could prompt such a deal. The bottom line is they expect us to wait, again, as they have stated/asked. A six year rebuild.

I guess the strategy is sound, if unnecessary. I think there is a significant issue with management of current players. They don’t necessarily want to wait four more years for something to happen. As gcw_rocks mentioned, there are players to get to speed things up. It is not necessary to waste the value of the current players while we all wait.

I believe the best thing to do is decide on the keepers, and get rid of all other younger players while they have potential, or put them in a position so that they don’t regress and become seen as having lost that potential or as reclamation projects – read having no value.

If they want to tank this year and next, at least cash in the guys like Omark, Hemsky, Gagner, whoever, for something. Get good draft picks, younger players with promise that are a few years away, whatever, but something that keeps the pool of player value stable, and not declining. Then fill out the roster with good UFA’s when you want to start the climb, or more Suttons and Eagers to take the fall if you don’t.

Just don’t screw the careers of promising players and get nothing for them. Success here is part of the tool kit of GM’s that build consistently and maintain. If you want to build a successful stud farm you have to be able to trade horses.

by FastOil on Dec 16, 2011 5:52 PM MST reply actions  

Yeah, because drafted picks are almost 100% certain to come in and help a team right off the hop. Especially D-men, which we all know are ripened fruit on the vine.

*Shakes head

by David S on Dec 16, 2011 6:55 PM MST up reply actions  

and want to acquire top level talent through the draft because they can’t get it otherwise.

You don’t comment further on this, so what is your take on it? This is acceptable?

Pajaarvi, Hamilton, Pitlick, Harti, maybe Martindale are going to provide the size and two way play we need, your power forwards.

That’s an enormous assumption.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 17, 2011 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Defence an afterthought

Too bad I came in so late in this discussion. My predictions were that the Oilers were eventually going to suffer because of a lack of defence this year. Defence is not fixed with the acquisition of one player. It is build over time through the draft.

The Oilers take care of the offence and then the defence is an afterthought in the draft, and then it’s patchwork time. They haven’t taken a dman with the 1st pick in the 1st round since at least 1991. With the emerging stars growing out of their entry level deals and needing cap space, free agency dmen is not a long term solution.

With all the rich new defensive prospects in this draft, let’s just see whether the Oilers draft a dmen in the first round this year.

by Marvellous on Dec 20, 2011 11:05 AM MST reply actions  

The challenge the Oilers face now is that defencemen typically take longer to develop than forwards. They will struggle to find d-men in the draft who can catch up if they start now. That’s why missing out on Rundblad was so bad.

by gcw_rocks on Dec 21, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Detroit has 2 defenseman on their roster that they drafted in the first Round.

Kindl (#19) and Kronwall (#29).

It was 6 years after Kronwall was drafted before he became an NHL regular.

It was 5 years for Kindl before he became an NHL regular.

In Chicago, Seabrook and Keith were drafted several years before Kane and Toews. Both those guys missed the playoffs the first 3 years in the league.

The point is, you can only draft so many good players at a time. The Oilers picking a defenseman now and expecting him to be ready for when the young guys contracts expire is wishful thinking. They are well past that point. They need their Smid’s, Plante’s, Tuebert’s and Petry’s to develop into these defensemen.

In the meantime, keep picking the best available player regardless of position.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

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by dawgbone98 on Dec 21, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I’ve thought about this a lot. I’ve analyzed the free agent market, trends in managements style with respect to trades late in the season, I’ve done all the work. Here’s what we do:

Pray to god one of Klefbom/Musil/Marincin/Gernat/Petry develops into a Norris Candidate before they turn 25.

Also Petry…..

by Ca$h-Money! on Dec 23, 2011 6:34 AM MST reply actions  

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