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Hall Back Early, Hartikainen Delayed

"We’re still talking about the Oilers here, right? They almost always beat the injury odds. Until they don’t.
Here’s hoping neither player comes back too early."

--RiversQ, in the comments section of Finally, The Oilers Get Good Injury News

According to the Oilers' Twitter feed, Taylor Hall has passed Tom Renney's fitness test and is ready to return tonight. His 2-4 week return window ended up at 2.5 weeks. He's going to have residual pain in the shoulder, but the structural damage is limited. Rumors of post-season surgery for Hall mirror the rumors that followed Shawn Horcoff in 2008. Horcoff did not need surgery that off-season and it's unlikely that Hall will go under the knife for a mild AC sprain.

Teemu Hartikainen, on the other hand, will not return so early. The talk in Oklahoma City had Hartikainen returning by the Christmas break, things haven't gone as well. Though he's been skating with the Barons for over a week, he's still in the non-contact jersey. So while he could pass the Tom Renney fitness test with ease, the shoulder isn't healed yet. He will sit until he's not in danger. Hartikainen is set to return after the break, at the five week mark, on the back side of his 3-6 week window.

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It raises the question -- though Hartikainen's sprain was slightly worse than Hall's, Hall is returning early and will work with residual pain. Hartikainen will sit and wait to regain his health.

As the oft-wise Rivers notes, This is worth keeping an eye on. There is no team more renown for bringing players back from injury early and no team with a history of putting players in bad situations like the Edmonton Oilers. In April of 2010, management addressed this by throwing a few lower-level staff members under the bus for 4 years of failure. Note that those same issues have persisted since firing the fall guys. If Hall were to return from injury for a non-playoff team and put his career at risk, there are no more fall guys, no more excuses within the organization.

It's worthwhile to note that the Barons aren't taking the same risks with Hartikainen. Perhaps our OKC writing contingent can turn up a bit more information about the Baron's medical staff and their on-ice minimum requirements. They've taken a conservative approach and for prospects, that's almost always the correct approach.

As a non-thinking fan, it will be great to see the Oilers' motor back on the ice. As a thinking fan, it concerns me that Hall has come back so early for a non-playoff team. No matter what, Hall needs to stay healthy for an extended period. He's now suffered two significant injuries within six season months - an awful start to a career. Hall is the Oilers' motor - his shot generation is unmatched amongst the under-30 contingent. His absence is significant, but not as significant as long-term effects in Hall's shoulder.

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While I agree it’s slightly concerning that he is coming back early, it’s seems unfair to me to wage it against Hartikainen.
They are two totally different people and everyone heals differently, and has different concerns.

by DarrenV on Dec 15, 2011 8:30 AM MST reply actions  

Agreed with Darren.

You are positioning the two organizations and players against each other, where you cannot be sure as to how bad each player was hurt, and how they have healed. As well, they are basically the same organization.

I know the Oilers’ history with players returning early from injury and that makes me fearful of Hall getting re-injuried, but to proclaim Hall being rushed back and Harski being given full recovery time without all the specific medical information in each case is silly as best and witch hunting at worst.

by Woodguy on Dec 15, 2011 8:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Hall being rushed back and Harski being given full recovery time

I said neither of these things.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 15, 2011 9:00 AM MST up reply actions  

I said neither of these things.

True, but the below statement intimates it:

It raises the question — though Hartikainen’s sprain was slightly worse than Hall’s, Hall is returning early and will work with residual pain. Hartikainen will sit and wait to regain his health.

by Woodguy on Dec 15, 2011 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

No, the statement stands on it’s own. You took it to mean something else.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 15, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Reading this article seems to insinuate what Woodguy says, even if you don’t say it.

I realize your retort will be something to the effect of ‘I didn’t say it, so don’t accuse me’ but we all have read your excellent writing for long enough to be able to read between the lines.

by DarrenV on Dec 15, 2011 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I don’t spend much time writing between the lines. I’ve never hesitated from calling the Oilers on anything, especially injury-related management issues. There’s no reason to write between the lines on this.

The article is intended to mean exactly what it says. Hall is back at the front of his expected recovery period, Hartikainen will be back in the middle. Hall is going to have to overcome discomfort to play. Hall is not going to need surgery. Hartikainen was expected back by Christmas, but has not been cleared by the doc to do so.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 15, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

The ambiguity stems from the phrase, “it raises the question,” followed by no actual question. Hence, the intimation is in reference to the question that is raised but not asked.

by Captain Obvious II on Dec 15, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly. Intended or not, there’s an implied question of “Why?”, and an implied answer in the next paragraph of, “Because the Oilers rush guys back from injury.”

Do we know Hall’s going to be playing through pain? Was it mentioned in the ever-informative scrum yesterday?

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by Doogie2K on Dec 15, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

And yet I wrote he’s returning within the preordained period, won’t have surgery, and passed the fitness test.

And the pain thing came from HNIC or Sporsnet. I believe the official word was “discomfort”.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 15, 2011 8:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t spend much time writing between the lines

Hilarious. You rarely see such pure irony.

Nearly everything you write is intended to promote one agenda or another with some variation of your signature “whatever could this possibly mean?” approach.

It’s an effective approach, but the “I didn’t say that” defense stops working after a while when nobody could rationally think you mean anything else.

by TigerUnderGlass on Dec 15, 2011 5:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, my time here at C&B has been spent writing articles with nebulous meaning promoting a shady agenda with a covered approach.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 15, 2011 7:54 PM MST up reply actions  

For the record I am pro-Derek and don’t think you have a “hidden agenda.” I was just pointing out a feature of the syntax of the sentence.

by Captain Obvious II on Dec 15, 2011 8:26 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s a terrible sentence by me and thank you for pointing it out.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 15, 2011 9:05 PM MST up reply actions  

You would have been better off saying “it begs the question”

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by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 16, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

I wish I could negative rec.

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by Derek Zona on Dec 16, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Hehe, knew that would piss you off even a little bit more.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 17, 2011 5:34 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s not what I said and you know it.

Let’s put it another way then. If you write something and everyone who reads it thinks you mean X and you deny it, there is either something wrong with your writing or you are not being honest.

I’ve read enough of your writing to believe the latter is more likely because your writing is never “nebulous”, which is exactly why I thought your earlier response was hilarious.

It’s also unfair to infer the word “shady” since nothing I said would suggest it.You seem to consider the word “agenda” to have a negative connotation, but it doesn’t. In this context it merely means you have a point and you are trying to make it.

by TigerUnderGlass on Dec 16, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe OKC knows they’re getting Paajarvi sent their way so there’s no point in bring Hartikainen back before they have to.

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by ryanbatty on Dec 15, 2011 8:40 AM MST reply actions  

Exactly. That’s been the talk for weeks.

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by Neal Livingston on Dec 15, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Just to be clear though, I think sending Paajarvi to OKC is a terrible idea.

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by ryanbatty on Dec 15, 2011 8:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Why?

Sending Omark to OKC worked out pretty good for the Oil

by dohfOs on Dec 15, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

You can’t really judge the success or failure of that move on the fact he got injured.

by Yeti# on Dec 15, 2011 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

If Renney isn’t gonna play him, might as well play somewhere though, no?

by DarrenV on Dec 15, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Sure, but Renney’s decision not to play him is the problem. I’d rather see that corrected.

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by ryanbatty on Dec 15, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Which of last night’s top 9 is Paajarvi superior to?

(Yeah, I know, “all of them”)

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by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 16, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

In fairness, the Smyth-Belanger-Jones line was pretty good.

Unfortunately everyone else got the tar beaten out of them.

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by dawgbone98 on Dec 16, 2011 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Putrid Phoenix game notwithstanding, I don’t see a spot in the current top 9 for Paajarvi. (Mind you, I’m not a member of the I Hate Jones club.)

MP needs to find his game in OKC, and when he gets his chance (which I hope will be relatively soon) he needs to come back and carpe the diem. He’s been way too passive to this point.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 17, 2011 5:38 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s a terrible idea that he isn’t playing top 9 minutes.

by OilPen on Dec 15, 2011 10:05 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

When Paajarvi was playing top 9 minutes he was still struggling, yes he is better than a number of forwards on the roster, but I’m more concerned of Paajarvi’s development rather then him being the 9th or the 10th forward on the Oilers.

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by OilLeak on Dec 15, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

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