Oilers v. Stars - Revelation 21:1-3
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2011 4:30 PM MST
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PrintWhen I looked up, I saw a new heaven and a new earth, and what was old had passed away. The dominance of the Stars was gone, and I saw a new holy team of Oilers, a gift from God's throne. As we watched them, we were all enthralled, filled with the joy of a husband waiting for his bride. Then I heard a loud cry from the throne: "Look, God's home is among his people! He will cheer alongside them, and they will be his people."
Edmonton Oilers (10-7-2) @ Dallas Stars (11-8-0)
American Airlines Center, 6:30 p.m. MST
Television: Sportsnet Oilers
More analysis after the jump...
Visiting Team Scouting Report:
The Dallas Stars are not a good team. Gabriel Desjardins just posted Fenwick material for all teams, and the Stars don't look good: 25th with the score tied (46.2%), 25th when protecting a one-goal lead (39.8%), and 18th when down by a single goal (55.1%). They got out to a fast start with some incredible goaltending, but when Alex Goligoski was injured and the hot goaltending tailed off, so did the Stars. The team has now lost five in a row and has mostly lost the advantage that they'd gained from that fabulous start, and could be the first team since the lockout (and probably ever) to start the season with 22 or more points in their first fifteen games and still miss the playoffs. At this point, I wouldn't bet against it.
Expected Lineups:
Edmonton Oilers (10-7-2):
Hall - Gagner - Hemsky
Smyth - Nugent-Hopkins - Eberle
Lander - Horcoff - Jones
Hordichuk - Belanger - Petrell
Smid - Gilbert
Peckham - Petry
Chorney - Teubert
Khabibulin
Dallas Stars (11-8-0):
Morrow - Ribeiro - Eriksson
Vincour - Benn - Ryder
Ott - Fiddler - Dvorak
Nystrom - Wandell - Petersen
Souray - Robidas
Daley - Grossman
Fistric - Larsen
Lehtonen
By the Numbers:
- Kari Lehtonen has been outstanding since his arrival in Dallas. In parts of three seasons with the Stars Lehtonen has faced 2,289 shots at even strength, and stopped 2,128 for an outstanding even strength save percentage of .930. Given that the main return on that deal (Ivan Vishnevskiy) has yet to establish himself in the NHL, I'd say that the Thrahsers were absolutely robbed when they dealt Lehtonen away. At least they managed to mitigate the damage by using Vishnevskiy as the main cog in the deal that brought them Andrew Ladd from Chicago.
- The Oilers last game against the Blackhawks sure was a lot of fun: Ales Hemsky potted his first goal of the season (and it was an absolute beauty); Taylor Hall got his second career hat-trick; Jordan Eberle had his first career four-point game; Tom Gilbert had his first career four-point game. The Oilers broke that losing streak in style.
- I was one of the many who thought that Ryan Jones was signed despite some poor play on the ice, and for a statistical performance that he was never going to be able to duplicate. So far this season, his play has been much better, and he's on pace to score 21.6 goals, a small increase on the 18 he scored last season. And you know what? Good for him.
- Darcy Hordichuk is back in the lineup tonight, but if you're not careful, you might miss him: in his only two complete games this season he has played less than three minutes both times. That limited ice time can lead to some funky numbers. For example, Hordichuk currently has the best raw Corsi rate on the team at +14.81 per sixty minutes of five-on-five ice time. The best regular? Jeff Petry at +7.91.
- A lot of people are seeing Theo Peckham bad even though he's got a +5 rating in 15 games. What's up with that? Well, Peckham does have the sixth best PDO number in the entire league five-on-five (min. 10 GP) at 109.4. And before we start talking about his ability to prevent chances, that number is being driven by an absolutely ridiculous 15.9% on-ice shooting percentage, the third highest in the league. And I, for one, am not convinced that Peckham is driving the offense.
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The talking heads are out about Hordichuk. Tencer talking about the need for Hordichuk because of Ott and Barch (even though Barch isn’t dressing).
Stauffer talking about the need for toughness.
I don’t understand how they’ve convinced themselves that Darcy Hordichuk is a need, let alone an NHL player.
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So taking a dirty hit, then getting up and scoring on the subsequent power play doesn’t count as “toughness,” according to those guys? Sigh.
Exactly. I read a number of comments that no one responded to Hall being run by Keith.
The best response is another counter on the tote board.
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I’ve been reading commenst about Hordy for a while now, and can’t for the life of me wrap my head around why hes getting all the love. What has he done, this season or any before, that warrants being a fan favorite? Seriously….
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He’s a goon that actively seeks fights, unlike Laraque or McIntyre. He’s beloved because he wants to fight. It’s idiotic.
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You know what? I miss Laraque. Not because he was a stellar player (although he was better than you’re average straight-up goon.) I miss him because he was a fighter that had style. If you’re going to take up bench space, and you’re main role is to intimidate, do it with some class.
by eddy the lip on Nov 21, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
Darcy Hordichuk is back in the lineup tonight
Thank goodness. Now that our best players are coming back from injury this team will really be able to make some noise.
You know, if they had, say Patrick Thoresen instead of Hordichuk, they could run a really effect line with Paajarvi – Belanger and Thoresen, especially if opposing coaches held to the gentleman’s agreement concerning the fourth line.
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I would happily donate your left testicle to have Thoresen back on this team.
by Yeti# on Nov 21, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
We could donate…eh, too obvious.
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http://twitter.com/cappylock/status/138762296800448513
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you know, i was hoping for general interest’s sake that sid would take more time off, or be rusty, or something. but, uh…i think the president’s trophy race just got a lot more boring.
by Passive Voice on Nov 21, 2011 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
I console myself with the knowledge that Vancouver fans are gnashing their teeth in frustration right now.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 21, 2011 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
Look at Horcoff out there shaking hands with the movers and shakers.
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That’s two outlet passes knocked out of the air by Stars’ sticks.
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Damn, the hands on RNH. That little deke at centre ice was beautiful.
In other news, the Oilers are getting worked over so far.
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The little kick up to his stick as he was twisting was impressive balance.
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35 next year.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 21, 2011 6:45 PM MST up reply actions
He’s awesome is what he is.
http://www.coppernblue.com/2009/10/8/1073640/the-zenith-of-my-happiness-as-an
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Derek’s real excited to catch Pronger’s first shift of the game.
by Passive Voice on Nov 21, 2011 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
Dvorak practically begged to play for the Oilers. Kept saying in interviews how he was waiting for an offer from the Oilers which never came. He’s been signing 1.2-2 million short term contracts ever since in the Hinterlands of Hockey.
"When you find yourself rooting for mediocrity – you might be an Oilers fan." - Neal Livingston
Hall – Gagner – Jones? Is Hemsky hurt again?
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Hemsky’s out with Hall now.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 21, 2011 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
So familiar…
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 6:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Nugent-Hopkins has thrown two cross-checks on Morrow and hasn’t been called on it.
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Look at the powerful and amazing forecheck of the Hordichuk-led fourth line!
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Yeah, because the puck would have been in the other end.
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True, then he couldn’t hit the Stars!
HIT EM!
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If you haven’t caught in, that’s precisely his point.
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by VanillaAcid on Nov 21, 2011 7:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Another big momentum changer from the energy line!
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i can’t beleive chorney just got beat by toby peterson
by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Nov 21, 2011 6:55 PM MST reply actions
So Crosby already has 3 points tonight, not a bad warm up.
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 6:57 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Poor Isles, they neve had a chance.
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 7:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
That was a great 5 on 5 power play by the pens.
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 7:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
4 points
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 7:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Huh. Teubert – Chorney out with Hopkins.
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Petrell caught drifting (maybe sleeping) on the backcheck and gave up an open shot to the trailer.
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That was all kinds of beautiful
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 7:07 PM MST via mobile reply actions
tuebert is gonna eclipse peckham so fast
by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Nov 21, 2011 7:07 PM MST reply actions
Peckham needs a hockey sense transplant.
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Hall going straight to the crease opened it all up. That’s a fun line in transition.
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Gagner’s had a very nice period.
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Ok Peckham made a nice play.
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 7:10 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Hmmnn, Hemsky might be hurt after that hit
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 7:11 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I thought the same. His right arm looked funny.
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Holding the shoulder, the man is made of cellophane.
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 7:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
After he got hit, he immediately dropped his right hand off of the stick. His arm was dangling on the way to the bench, then he was rubbing it on the bench.
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Hemsky may not like the gym, but it’s the only way he’s going to get strength back in his shoulders
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 7:23 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Oof. Hopkins throws the obvious cross ice on the power play and then doesn’t try to backcheck on the 2-on-1 against.
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Except for the two shifts where the 4th line was buried in their own end for an eternity, that wasn’t a bad period. Maybe Renney will stop using that line when Hordichuk is dressed. And maybe he can stop using the 3rd pairing with the 4th line.
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And maybe they’ll replace pylons with NHL players, hahaha, who am I kidding?
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 7:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Ott hammers Smid. Clearly Hordichuk’s presence is paying dividends!
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Unless Renney feels Lander’s FO is that important, I don’t see why 91-10-28 isn’t a better option than 57.
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Brace yourselves
http://twitter.com/djheath/status/138809093874925568
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Hall needs to score a goal here to answer getting whacked.
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AMAZING backcheck and clean-up by Hemsky in the crease!
And then he knocks Souray back.
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If his shoulder wasn’t sore before…it sure is now! He’s really sacrificing his body
by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Nov 21, 2011 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
knocks sourray down derek, not back
by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Nov 21, 2011 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
Eh – he was shooting and in the follow through. It was more balance than hit.
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would you count it as a hit?
by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Nov 21, 2011 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, as I said:
And then he knocks Souray back.
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I can’t figure out Peckham was doing there. He shocked Petry, that’s for sure.
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tuebert has played his last AHL game
by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Nov 21, 2011 7:49 PM MST reply actions
What makes you say that?
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 7:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Lander is getting whipped on in this game. Stars are making sure they’re skating through him at every opportunity.
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chorney is so perimeter, never engages, shirks his duties, shies from contact….Teubert is the opposite
by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Nov 21, 2011 7:59 PM MST up reply actions
Not only is Hordichuk a useless tit, he also serves as a speed bump for Michael Ryder. Good thing he’s in there as a deterrent.
by RiversQ on Nov 21, 2011 7:59 PM MST via mobile reply actions
That whole sequence by Eberle was ridiculous.
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Eberle’s part was pretty. Swiped the puck, threw the puck to Hopkins, then busted to the net for the screen. That was oustanding work by Eberle.
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I’ll be the maverick and blame Peckham.
by eddy the lip on Nov 21, 2011 8:04 PM MST up reply actions
How does Smyth get that assist and not Eberle?
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Peckham goes for the hit at the blue line. Again. And leaves Petry all alone on the odd-man. Again. The opponent scores. Again.
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renney is probably telling the boys not to get pushed out of this game
by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Nov 21, 2011 8:06 PM MST up reply actions
No matter how physical you want your team to be, you don’t want a player running all over the ice giving up odd-mans and open shots.
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Anytime there is a 4 on 1 during 5v5 play, the coach is going to go headhunting.
Atleast, he better be.
And Peckham went for the huge hit in the OZ, missed, but took out Hemsky, the backchecker. Toss in whatever it is that he was doing on the second goal…
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Chances after 2
http://twitter.com/DKingBH/status/138816441221787648
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What this game needs is more...
http://twitter.com/OR_TMC/status/138817503165038592
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Hell, get Macintyre back from Pitt and we can run all 3 of them on the same line.
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 8:22 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Call it the QUALGRIT line.
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 8:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
My favorite part has to be that fans have been bemoaning Eager not hitting already and saying things like ’When does Hordichuk get back?
Hordichuk comes in the line up as the detterent, and still no response….
Solution?
Bring in both players that are supposed to bring the response, but have both failed to do so yet this year.
Take away the non-NHL players and this is a 1-0 Oilers lead.
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Take away the non-NHL players and the Oilers are icing three defensemen.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 21, 2011 8:25 PM MST up reply actions
Why so negative?
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 8:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Chorney and Gilbert out to start the period on the 4 on 4
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Peckham handles the puck like a hand grenade.
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- Sigh * the tale of two teams.
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by OilLeak on Nov 21, 2011 8:31 PM MST via mobile reply actions
It was the best of times,
it was the worst of times,
it was the age of returning veterans,
it was the age of incompetent rookies,
it was the epoch of “We can make the playoffs”,
it was the epoch of “How did he not stop that?!”,
it was the season of the Nuge,
it was the season of Tubthumper,
it was the October of hope,
it was the November (and December, and January, and February, and March, and April) of despair…
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 21, 2011 8:36 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Great…we’re already on thin ice with the Christians, now the Dickens fans are coming for us. And they’re nasty.
by eddy the lip on Nov 21, 2011 8:38 PM MST up reply actions
LOL, one of the players just audibly told another to fuck off.
In unrelated news, this arena is very quiet.
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LOL, one of the players just audibly told another to fuck off.
Hopefully it was Khabibulin to Peckham.
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Hordichuk goes out with Hopkins. Why? Why do coaches lose their minds and think “Yup, the completely skillless, doesn’t belong in the NHL goon is the solution to our offensive woes” ?
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“He’ll keep us from getting pushed around!”
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 21, 2011 8:44 PM MST up reply actions
Whitney’s not back until Saturday. That’s too many games with Peckham on the second pair.
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If Smid knew how to drop a shoulder….he’d be lethal
by One_Roy_Save_On_The_Calendar on Nov 21, 2011 8:48 PM MST reply actions
Brendan Morrow is awful. I’d rather have Modano.
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Hey, Smyth is on the Hopkins power play!
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Stationary power play is not a good power play.
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You’re just looking for a cheap rec. And you sir shall have it
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I’m glad I missed this one. Popped in to see if I’d be pleasantly surprised or mortified. Dallas though, so I expected as much. The opening goalscorer wasn’t The Toby Peterson was it?
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