The Jeff Carter Question
by gcw_rocks on Nov 18, 2011 12:42 PM MST
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PrintThe twitter-world is apparently abuzz with a rumour that Jeff Carter has asked for a trade out of Columbus. Why would anyone want to leave Columbus? Oh yeah, they suck.
So, if Carter really is on the market, can and should the Oilers put together a package and make a play for him?
My view is, they certainly should try. A 1-2 punch of Carter and RNH down the middle is better than RNH-Horcoff, RNH-Gagner or RNH – Pitlick. With that simple fact, the Oilers should at least look at the possibility.
The problem is, what do the Oilers have that would make it worth Columbus’ while to make the trade? Columbus would need a centre to replace Carter in the top 6, plus they need defensive help and scoring help.
The Oilers are not awash in defensemen these days. They certainly could offer up Peckham under the “needs a change of scenery” banner. Or maybe Plante or Teubert, but that’s about it.
Does Gagner, Peckham/Tuebert and another forward get you Carter? Does Gagner, Peckham and the Oilers 2012 1st round pick do it? Does Hemsky and Gagner do it, under the argument that you don’t really need the big name centre if you have Hemsky feeding Nash?
I don’t know. If I could deal Hemsky, Gagner, Peckham and a 2012 second round pick for Carter I would do it.
New forward lines:
Hall – RNH – Eberle
Smyth – Horcoff – Jones
MPS – Carter - Hartikainen
Belanger – Lander – Petrell
If that isn’t an improvement, I don’t know what is.
What say you?
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If the rumor is indeed true then I would go more conservative while making Columbus an offer:
Hemsky/Peckham or Martindale/2nd round 2012
Keep in mind what they gave up to get him.
You aren’t getting him for a UFA and a #6 defenceman. If Carter is available, there are a bunch of teams who are going to be interested in him.
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CBJ traded a 22 year old pt/2gm center and #8 overall ~ Gagner and 2012 1st. But CBJ wants to be good sooner rather than later too…
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by red army line on Nov 18, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
That’s why I think the deal starts with Hemsky and Gagner. Hemsky for this year, Gagner as insurance in case Hemsky bolts. Howson connection may also work for Hemsky.
I’m not sure what getting Hemsky for this year gives Columbus. They are likely headed for the #1 OV pick and Hemsky won’t change that.
Unless they can re-sign him, he’s got almost no value to them.
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Hemsky could be valuable to the Blue Jackets if they move Carter soon. They can then either sign Hemsky or flip him for a subsequent package at the deadline to really stock up on youth. That would still, admittedly, be very frustrating after giving up a bunch of youth this summer to get Carter in the first place, but I can see why Hemsky would be an attractive option.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 23, 2011 11:27 PM MST up reply actions
Trading for a guy coming off a season ending injury last year, who then missed time this year on a similar injury in the hopes that you can trade him at the deadline seems like extremely poor asset managemet.
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I should be clear that it makes absolutely no sense to make any kind of one-for-one deal. If they can get a couple of good(ish) assets in addition, though, then the inclusion of Hemsky adds real value. I think that the Jackets will have a tough time acquiring an established high-quality player for Carter. If they get and sign Hemsky, then they’ve got exactly that; if they can’t sign him, a trade at the deadline is a reasonable back-up plan to increase the overall value on the return.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 24, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
I could see the Avs swapping Stastny for him. Hard to top that from CLB’s perspective. Basically swap a passer for a scorer, which would actually be a better fit. Same salary.
hilariously the cbj might not have the cap room to make such a deal.
by Passive Voice on Nov 21, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
The Oilers are in a unique position for a bad/maybe better team in that money isn’t an issue. Owner is spending, seats are full. A lot of US weak market teams are up against it. Last year we saw salary play a big part in deals.
I am not sure about Carter’s character either, rumours of partying in Philly, wanting out 10 games into his CBJ tenure. I also am not sure the Preds are going to keep both Webber and Suter. They are saying they will, but they are in financial difficulty I believe. There are realities to running a team in a weak market. It’s not the cap, it’s the budget, the actual dollars a team has to spend. The Preds biggest need is a top forward, CBJ likely would like to improve now, shed salary and are deep at centre:
TO EDM – Webber/Suter, Johansen
TO CBJ – Hemsky and Gagner
TO NASH – Carter
There might be other aspects, but this would be the framework. The Preds swap a high end D for a high end F, CBJ moves Mr Unhappy and a rookie and get offensive wingers and more current help in Gagner over a rookie and shed salary, the Oilers get their top D and future second centre.
wanting out 10 games into his CBJ tenure.
In fairness, he signed a long-term deal with Philly that included a no-trade that wouldn’t kick in until he was 27 (can’t have a NTC at RFA ages) on the assumption that he was a long-term piece of the puzzle there, a career Flyer. He likely felt betrayed by the trade to Columbus, and the fact that the team sucks probably doesn’t help. I don’t think he’s wrong to be mad at his situation, even though you could say the $58M he’ll earn over the course of the deal should offset whatever negative feelings he has.
by despisethesun on Nov 25, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
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